Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 6.

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 6 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/

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[Kwality]

the distinction is that one side doesn't appear to try to run interference for the matter.

Really.
Anyone with any claim to commonsense knows the parliaments & those who work in that industry are sourced from the community & reflect all of its foibles.
U flung dung has no boundaries & there are those who revel in it.

 

[Pie eyed]

petulance required for their domestic consumption i think - loss of face and of work for one of their businesses. You know the Australian government (either side of politics) would do the same, the austrlian public would expect such a response

Our current PM would just, stutter, then leave the country on a family holiday, his former boss would correct the English translation and Abbott would just feebly threaten to "shirt front" without knowing what the **** it even meant and eat an onion.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So bloody true.

I recall watching a doco about natives in the New Hebrides who, after WWII, constructed fake airfields and built mock aircraft out of palm leaves in the hope that it would attract the rich Americans back to their country with their coca cola and candy just as what happened prior to the Guadalcanal campaign.

It might seem quaint but the sad thing is that it's the sort of cargo cult mentality that keeps resurfacing in Australia every decade or so. And here it is again.

Totally agree. Only thing I’ll point out is Guadalcanal is in the Solomon Islands, not New Hebrides/Vanuatu.

 

[jatz14]

France withdrawing it's just like WW2 and Vietnam all over again

They f’ed up 10 years behind 40 billion behind

But must blame Scomo

The libs shafted Japan and did a deal with France, a deal that sucked, then then they proceeded to do a deal behind Frances back and let them find out about it via a press conference, effectively shafting France to.

If they dealt in a honest straightforward way from the start, our subs would be about to come of the production line, instead we dont even have a drawing of a sub.

Who do you think we should blame?

 

[Vindicater]

The point is the fringe that claim 'their mob 'oh so' much better than the other mob' are full of it. All of lifes problem are not only limited to one side of politics, despite those using these scenarios as a tryhard put down & are so liked by the peanut gallery on both the right & left wings.

I wouldnt be as kind as Ms Sales in drawing a distinction between the 'like' crowds on the wings.

Oh look.

'Holier than thou' Kwality is back in town.

 

[11kgm]

The libs shafted Japan and did a deal with France, a deal that sucked, then then they proceeded to do a deal behind Frances back and let them find out about it via a press conference, effectively shafting France to.

If they dealt in a honest straightforward way from the start, our subs would be about to come of the production line, instead we dont even have a drawing of a sub.

Who do you think we should blame?

France for ****ing up making submarines

 

[Crankyhawk]

Really.
Anyone with any claim to commonsense knows the parliaments & those who work in that industry are sourced from the community & reflect all of its foibles.
U flung dung has no boundaries & there are those who revel in it.

So you don’t think it’s worthy of comment that someone gets to court accused of rape?

We don’t need to fling dung at them those politicians stink like dung already

 

[kickazz]

Morrison is the best PM Australia has had since Howard.

Nah he is a dud

 

[QuietB]

Does anyone anywhere actually respect Morrison?

His own ministers take the piss and do as they please. He is a laughing stock in international circles. He literally screws up everything he touches.

Who takes him seriously?

 

[jatz14]

France for ******* up making submarines

We gave them the contracts, and the subs were fine. The issue was, we paid hugely overs for the technology transfers, and the industrial base, that blind Freddy could see, they were never giving us. They got told what boxes they needed to tick to win the contract, so they ticked them.

Japan, that had the subs ready to go, got blind sided, a feature of this government, only interested in the next shiny deal to distract the media with.

Personally, I put it at 50/50 at best whether we ever see these submarines.

And I put it at 80/20 that the Collins are effectively dead, or down to 1 or 2 operational, long before we get them, even if they do get delivered.

Will it be the French at fault if we go a decade of high tension, with no effective submarine force?

 

[Festerz]

Totally agree. Only thing I’ll point out is Guadalcanal is in the Solomon Islands, not New Hebrides/Vanuatu.

Yep. But the point being made was that the New Hebrides was a key staging point for the Battle of Guadalcanal for US forces and where they spent significant resources in preparation, bringing temporary wealth to the local population. Hence the desire of the locals to do what they could to get them back - ergo building fake ports and airfields (with fake aircraft) well into the 1950s that seemingly preceded the original arrival of US troops and resources during WWII.

Edit: A day late and a dollar short I've found the doco and post here for completeness:

 

[Festerz]

France for ******* up making submarines

I think France has proven pretty good at making submarines. They were never really given the chance in this case.

The '******* up' problem in this case seems to be in the contract design. And that is something that the Australian Government has proven to be immensely capable at doing in nearly all of its major defence procurement contracts in recent history.

But that's OK, we are now signed up to an unspecified, yet to be designed, yet to be costed boat with propulsion technology we have zero skills or experience with, in terms of design, operation or maintenance. And in doing so have committed ourselves fully to the strategic interests of another major nuclear power in a potential conflict with another major nuclear power where our own long term strategic interests are likely to be of secondary consequence at best.

Seems to me like another spectacular SNAFU moment in the making for our illustrious political leaders on the foreign affairs front.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Does anyone anywhere actually respect Morrison?

His own ministers take the piss and do as they please. He is a laughing stock in international circles. He literally screws up everything he touches.

Who takes him seriously?

Jen thinks he's tops.

 

[QuietB]

Jen thinks he's tops.View attachment 1239415

That image is straight out of The Handmaids Tale

 

[Festerz]

Jen thinks he's tops.View attachment 1239415

That bemused look on her face tells us that she too does not trust any contract her husband puts his name too.

 

[Number37]

The point is the fringe that claim 'their mob 'oh so' much better than the other mob' are full of it. All of lifes problem are not only limited to one side of politics, despite those using these scenarios as a tryhard put down & are so liked by the peanut gallery on both the right & left wings.

I wouldnt be as kind as Ms Sales in drawing a distinction between the 'like' crowds on the wings.

Rapists are not left or right.
The only people that try to defend rapists because they are 'from their side' are sQomo and PVO.
Others, like BrucefromBalnarring, dabble in the fine art of defending rapists because apparently the left made them do it.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

That image is straight out of The Handmaids Tale

You're not the first to point that out! Creepy, isn't it?

 

[kickazz]

Does anyone anywhere actually respect Morrison?

His own ministers take the piss and do as they please. He is a laughing stock in international circles. He literally screws up everything he touches.

Who takes him seriously?

Good question.

Oh well there is an election coming up within a year. Fool us once, shame on him. Fool us twice, shame on us.

 

[adogsfan5]

Does anyone anywhere actually respect Morrison?

His own ministers take the piss and do as they please. He is a laughing stock in international circles. He literally screws up everything he touches.

Who takes him seriously?

Everyone says no. But let’s see at the next election.

 

[Paul Kersey]

This clown and his troop of baboons have no ****ing idea on diplomacy IMO.

Fancy allowing the French to find out about this via the media.

‘Lies and treason’: France could suspend military co-operation and trade talks

As the fallout from Australia’s decision to dump the French submarine deal deepens, military cooperation and trade talks are now at risk.

www.theage.com.au

 

[eddiesmith]

Did they have an alleged rapist in cabinet?

Yes, Rudd and Gillard certainly did.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

So it was all just a stunt?

"No subs Robbo, no subs here. Robbo, no subs."

No actual agreement. No actual plans. No procurement strategy.

We've literally gone from 12 submarines withon a decade, to zero submarines, a 2040 timeline and pissing off France, China and NZ.

 

[Mateyman]

Why is the French reaction unjustified?

1/ They have just finished being screwed over by Trump for 4 years and then Biden does this? The Euro USA relationship was already at a tipping point - how much are they expected to cop?

2/ France does not give a sh*t about Australia and they have had zero respect for the Morrison Governments diplomacy skills for a long time.

Scomo's a ****wit. No idea about diplomacy. No arguing on that front.
Having said that, it does seem somewhat melodramatic from the French. Four ambassadors recalled already by Macron - is that some lkind of peace time record?

 

[Mateyman]

The french are being extremely petulant and their outrage is completely unjustified. It was a commercial contract for the supply of military hardware, not a military alliance or mutual defense pact.

Australia has changed its minds on its defense procurement strategy. It is a straight forward question of breach of contract and payment of compensation for the breach.

Tend to agree. It's not like Naval Group is going to make billions of dollars out of this for delivering nothing either

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Yes, Rudd and Gillard certainly did.

And did they run interference for him like Morrison? No.