Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 6.

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 6 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/

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[Gough]

Once again the contrast in government messaging on the anti lockdown protesters compared to the XR protesters is instructive.

 

[Juddism]

France for ******* up making submarines

So, if we knew from the outset that France couldn’t get the job done, why did we go with them?

Still our fault..

 

[Juddism]

We gave them the contracts, and the subs were fine. The issue was, we paid hugely overs for the technology transfers, and the industrial base, that blind Freddy could see, they were never giving us. They got told what boxes they needed to tick to win the contract, so they ticked them.

Japan, that had the subs ready to go, got blind sided, a feature of this government, only interested in the next shiny deal to distract the media with.

Personally, I put it at 50/50 at best whether we ever see these submarines.

And I put it at 80/20 that the Collins are effectively dead, or down to 1 or 2 operational, long before we get them, even if they do get delivered.

Will it be the French at fault if we go a decade of high tension, with no effective submarine force?

Even with 8 effective submarines we’re no match for the PLAN who are pumping out SLBM capable nuclear powered submarines.

 

[DickieKnee]

So it was all just a stunt?

"No subs Robbo, no subs here. Robbo, no subs."

No actual agreement. No actual plans. No procurement strategy.

We've literally gone from 12 submarines withon a decade, to zero submarines, a 2040 timeline and pissing off France, China and NZ.

Yep a stunt. The French sub build was going to be a disaster, billions of dollars over budget and years behind schedule. Its Morrision's way of cancelling the contract. A diplomatic disaster but to the average voter ..... "how good are nuclear subs!".

 

[Burro]

How bad is Morrison......!

 

[DickieKnee]

So, if we knew from the outset that France couldn’t get the job done, why did we go with them?

Still our fault..

Have the problems been from the French design or building them in Adelaide? Building in Aus was always going to create problems but it was a big part of why the Libs went with the contract with the French, it pretty much secured SA seats in the Fed election.

 

[darrenmorgan]

Beginning to think the failed marketing exec might not be up to the job

 

[Burro]

Have the problems been from the French design or building them in Adelaide? Building in Aus was always going to create problems but it was a big part of why the Libs went with the contract with the French, it pretty much secured SA seats in the Fed election.

Morrison does this all the time. Big announcements and no delivery. Where is the Inland rail... remember that. The list is long of these politically motivated public money waste and non delivery. How can people be so stupid that they can not see this. All the really great things that Australians have now are because of the ALP, Medicare, superannuation, safer working conditions, annual leave etc. The LNP have always wanted to get rid of these things and recover their proper status of overlords controlling the slaves.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[Gough]

How bad is Morrison......!

It takes a special kind of idiot to spend a couple of billion dollars on nothing while provoking a diplomatic incident because he's scared of his junior coalition partner and backbench.

 

[andrewmillman]

Morrison does this all the time. Big announcements and no delivery. Where is the Inland rail... remember that. The list is long of these politically motivated public money waste and non delivery. How can people be so stupid that they can not see this. All the really great things that Australians have now are because of the ALP, Medicare, superannuation, safer working conditions, annual leave etc. The LNP have always wanted to get rid of these things and recover their proper status of overlords controlling the slaves.

Isn't Inland rail under construction and progressing OK?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Scomo's a *******. No idea about diplomacy. No arguing on that front.
Having said that, it does seem somewhat melodramatic from the French. Four ambassadors recalled already by Macron - is that some lkind of peace time record?

they have never recalled their ambassador to the USA, going back to the revolution

they recalled the Australian one during the whole nukes in the pacific mess not long ago

 

[western royboy]

It takes a special kind of idiot to spend a couple of billion dollars on nothing while provoking a diplomatic incident because he's scared of his junior coalition partner and backbench.

Are you familiar with the Prime Ministerial reign of Turnbull?

 

[Burro]

Isn't Inland rail under construction and progressing OK?

There are rumours that it is progressing.... To be serious, yes it is very slowly progressing, a bit like car parks. It is like a Seinfeld episode..... The LNP, the government about nothing.

 

[campbell]

Beginning to think the failed marketing exec might not be up to the job

I am shocked to be hearing that, who would have thunk it? lol

 

[Burro]

Are you familiar with the Prime Ministerial reign of Turnbull?

Turnbull would have been good during this pandemic. His problem was that there was a cancer in his government in the form of Morrison, Dutton etc.

 

[Festerz]

Have the problems been from the French design or building them in Adelaide

Given the fact that construction of the French submarines has not even commenced in Adelaide what do you reckon?

Libs went with the contract with the French, it pretty much secured SA seats in the Fed election.

Simply untrue. The decision to go with the French design had zero impact on the SA election result.

The main issue for SA has been in relation to securing the lucrative maintenance contracts for the current Collins Class submarines. And ironically the cancellation of the French contract (and the subsequent need to undertake an extensive refit of the Collins Class to extend their life until at least 2040) has meant that the ASC facility at Osborne SA will get even more work in this regard.

 

[DickieKnee]

The decision to go with the French design had zero impact on the SA election result.

Seriously? Securing literally thousands of jobs would have no effect on an election result?

Election 2016: The fight in South Australia, home to sandbagging of unprecedented scale and cost

It was as much about disappearing cars, coal, steel and jobs as it was about submarines.

www.google.com

 

[western royboy]

Turnbull would have been good during this pandemic. His problem was that there was a cancer in his government in the form of Morrison, Dutton etc.

I disagree - he was a massive failure because in the end he continually sold his soul to keep the peace and in the end was a parody of his own beliefs

 

[Juddism]

Have the problems been from the French design or building them in Adelaide? Building in Aus was always going to create problems but it was a big part of why the Libs went with the contract with the French, it pretty much secured SA seats in the Fed election.

We're going to build nuclear powered subs here too..will it secure seats? Who knows, its tricky issue when it comes to "nuclear."

 

[Juddism]

Seriously? Securing literally thousands of jobs would have no effect on an election result?

Election 2016: The fight in South Australia, home to sandbagging of unprecedented scale and cost

It was as much about disappearing cars, coal, steel and jobs as it was about submarines.

www.google.com

I'd suggest there is more hesitation because these are nuclear. Clearly, the public isn't in love with nuclear technology so it's not possible to say how it will affect the election, and given there is no plan, procurement or design, it could be years before this is even in the design phase.

Anyways, by the time we get them they'll be useless and still more noisy than diesel subs.

 

[Festerz]

Seriously? Securing literally thousands of jobs would have no effect on an election result?

Election 2016: The fight in South Australia, home to sandbagging of unprecedented scale and cost

It was as much about disappearing cars, coal, steel and jobs as it was about submarines.

www.google.com

You mean in the 2016 Federal election where the Libs lost 2 seats in SA, including the critical seat of Hindmarsh that was held by one of Tony Abbott's most visible SA supporters? Yes, seriously.

SA only has 11 Federal seats - it is simply not important in the battlefield for Federal Government that it once was.

It is the maintenance contract for the Collins class submarines that was and still is the immediate critical job creation issue for SA following the closure of the GMH plant at Elizabeth.

 

[Festerz]

We're going to build nuclear powered subs here too..will it secure seats? Who knows, its tricky issue when it comes to "nuclear."

And decisions surrounding what the nuclear powered submarines will even look like, let alone where they will be built is at least 2 years away. The Federal InterDepartmental Committee that will look into these issues and their terms of reference has not even been formally established.

The critical immediate outcome of this weeks announcement in electoral terms is surely not any future job outcomes associated with the decision but the seismic shift in Australia's strategic relationship in the region in relation to China. Specifically the decision, made without any form of Parliamentary discussion or debate, to align ourselves totally with the US position to face off with China on their expansion threats.

 

[Gough]

I'd suggest there is more hesitation because these are nuclear. Clearly, the public isn't in love with nuclear technology so it's not possible to say how it will affect the election, and given there is no plan, procurement or design, it could be years before this is even in the design phase.

Anyways, by the time we get them they'll be useless and still more noisy than diesel subs.

As with everything Scott, you scratch a millimetre below the surface of the announcement you'll find we're spending enormous amounts of money for very little in return. It feels like a matter of time before he and Frydo are convinced by the brother of a senior Nigerian minister that the national debt could be better serviced by investing through him.

 

[Festerz]

As with everything Scott, you scratch a millimetre below the surface of the announcement

It doesn't even need scratching to reveal its illogicality.

Here is a PM who says in 2021 that his government's decision to abandon the 2016 decision to build conventionally powered, French designed submarines was made because of 'game changing' shifts in both the available technology and the global threats faced by Australia.

So this 'game changing' decision to rip up an already commenced $90 billion contract and shift to something as yet undefined in scope, cost and timeframe but certainly much more expensive and not available until at least 2040 (and more likely 2050) was made because of changes in technology and global politics over a 5 year period?

How many 'game changing' shifts in technology and global politics will we see in the 20-30 years until these boats hit the water?

Maybe the real strategy is never to build new submarines at all? Just announce that you are 'planning' to do so every 5 years. Would save us a heck of a lot of money!