SFNL Div 3 2017

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Tigersman said:
Do you think Div 3 is the right fit if/when they come in Stratsky?

I reckon they'd compete in Div 2 with some recruits coming in over summer.
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Both Dingley and Keysborough came into Div 2 and were quite successful, making the finals in their first years if I recall correctly.

Does anyone have the facts and figures as to how Hampton Park compares to Dingley and Keysborough (number of wins and percentage in their last 2-3 seasons in CCFL / SEFNL)? Was Hampton Park much worse than either of these sides in their last SEFNL seasons?
 
random observer said:
Both Dingley and Keysborough came into Div 2 and were quite successful, making the finals in their first years if I recall correctly.

Does anyone have the facts and figures as to how Hampton Park compares to Dingley and Keysborough (number of wins and percentage in their last 2-3 seasons in CCFL / SEFNL)? Was Hampton Park much worse than either of these sides in their last SEFNL seasons?
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Not sure of the numbers but Dingley were a slightly different case in that they had established juniors and their location meant that local kids had few other options. They just needed an opportunity to re-build and the single tier of the Casey/Cardinia comp did not allow that. They could not compete with Narre, Cranbourne etc but give an opportunity to at first find their level and then to grow in a multi division comp they are now the strongest club in our league.

The changing demographic of the Dandenong area means that there are too many clubs already scrapping over a very shallow talent pool. To attract players from outside you need both the financial means and ability to sell a vision of success. HP might be on the edge of a growth corridor but like Dingley 15 years ago cannot compete with Narre, Berwick, Cranbourne etc and will need to re-invent themselves somewhere else, probably to the detriment of neighbouring SFL clubs already doing it tough.
 

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Tigersman said:
How about they stay where they are and try and build their stocks through their junior club. Build a culture that players want to stay a part of.

All they have said repeatedly is "we can't recruit no matter how much money we throw at players". No talk of investing in junior development even though they sit on the edge of a massive growth corridor.

instead the plan is to just jump into a lesser comp and throw money around. It'll raise the required spend for sfl clubs to compete for local talent that isn't playing sefnl.
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Dingley were in the exact same predicament, they came across to southern and developed there junior program and now look where they are. If the stayed in the Casey league they would of folded. hP are making the correct move you need divisional football which the sfl offer
 
Billy the Lid said:
Not sure of the numbers but Dingley were a slightly different case in that they had established juniors and their location meant that local kids had few other options. They just needed an opportunity to re-build and the single tier of the Casey/Cardinia comp did not allow that. They could not compete with Narre, Cranbourne etc but give an opportunity to at first find their level and then to grow in a multi division comp they are now the strongest club in our league.

The changing demographic of the Dandenong area means that there are too many clubs already scrapping over a very shallow talent pool. To attract players from outside you need both the financial means and ability to sell a vision of success. HP might be on the edge of a growth corridor but like Dingley 15 years ago cannot compete with Narre, Berwick, Cranbourne etc and will need to re-invent themselves somewhere else, probably to the detriment of neighbouring SFL clubs already doing it tough.
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This is correct.

The area is already overpopulated due to the league bringing in 3 clubs in recent years. Why establish lyndhurst who have a very bright future, only to bring in a cashed up neighbour right next to them?

A few existing clubs are already feeling pain as a result of Lyndhurst starting up. The league has an obligation to make sure that decision is a good one.



The SEFNL has problems being a one division comp. That is not the SFNL's concern. Their only priority should be what's best for our clubs, and HP coming in is not.
 
Bit of carry on here. Wont be rhe first or last club to move leagues. Should be in div 2 for mine. Dont care how many games they have won in the past 3 years. That standard shits on div 3 and they would be competitive in div 2. If not they come down? Clubs find a way to survive. Everything will be fine imo

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onthemove77 said:
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Dingley were in the exact same predicament, they came across to southern and developed there junior program and now look where they are. If the stayed in the Casey league they would of folded. hP are making the correct move you need divisional football which the sfl offer
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There are similarities but Dingley have had decent juniors since the 70s, have minimal competition from other junior clubs and are in a suburb whose demographic still play footy in winter and cricket in summer.

Remember they won a flag in the CC league in the mid-90s but fell for the trap of paying overs to suburban hacks and it cost them dearly. While mainly home-grown, they have not been shy about topping up with elite outside talent (Farmer etc) and to their credit have the balance about spot on.
 
falc10 said:
Bit of carry on here. Wont be rhe first or last club to move leagues. Should be in div 2 for mine. Dont care how many games they have won in the past 3 years. That standard shits on div 3 and they would be competitive in div 2. If not they come down? Clubs find a way to survive. Everything will be fine imo
You would think its Noble Park coming in with all the carry on , all the clubs close to HP would have stronger lists bar Dandy, nothing to worry about, from what i have heard the SEFNL its just about stuffed you want to hope if it falls over the stronger clubs head to Eastern not Sothern
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falc10 said:
Bit of carry on here. Wont be rhe first or last club to move leagues. Should be in div 2 for mine. Dont care how many games they have won in the past 3 years. That standard shits on div 3 and they would be competitive in div 2. If not they come down? Clubs find a way to survive. Everything will be fine imo

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Just have the best interest of my club in mind. Your right, they'll cross over and the world will keep spinning.
 
Tigersman said:
Do you think Div 3 is the right fit if/when they come in Stratsky?

I reckon they'd compete in Div 2 with some recruits coming in over summer.
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the plan was always to enter division 2 but the league decided otherwise. personally I was always against a move up until the SEFNL showed their incompetence and lack of leaderships by making a decision that wouldn't come into effect until 2019. now I see that a move to SFNL is needed and the best option.

as I stated above, the list HP had this year is by far the weakest they have had (thru no fault of the players who played) and they played a total of 54 guys in the seniors. their average age is around 18-19 and many wouldn't play regular 2's in SEFNL let alone 1's.

I agree that with some solid recruiting they could be competitive in division 2 next year but it certainly isn't a given. they are financial but have no intentions of spending any amount that they wouldn't be able to sustain over a period of years. I know u talked to their pres but so have I and they now realise that their bottom line will greatly reduce in SFNL so the spending would need to be done conservatively and intelligently. I can understand the concern from other clubs around the area but can also assure u that HP are looking to come over and fit in with their new opposition.....

I personally think all SEFNL clubs should look at a change to SFNL to make it a 4 or 5 division powerhouse of a league. SEFNL do nothing so clubs will eventually tire of it. while on the divisions, why not have a 4th division with 3rd and 4th both having 7 teams? each club would play each other 3 times over an 18 round season removing such a compromised draw. the only compromise is the home ground advantage but that could be evened out the next year...... sorry for the long winded post but trying to answer a few posts in one.....
 

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Billy the Lid said:
There are similarities but Dingley have had decent juniors since the 70s, have minimal competition from other junior clubs and are in a suburb whose demographic still play footy in winter and cricket in summer.

Remember they won a flag in the CC league in the mid-90s but fell for the trap of paying overs to suburban hacks and it cost them dearly. While mainly home-grown, they have not been shy about topping up with elite outside talent (Farmer etc) and to their credit have the balance about spot on.
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I thought dingley actually won the flag in their last year in SWGFL and moved after that but it sounds like I'm mistaken. keysborough is more recent and although they were battling, their results were far more competitive than HP's over the last 5 years. pretty sure keysy played finals (including a GF) only a few years before moving to SFNL.....
 
Sratsky said:
who u calling hacks? Hampton are already in the SFNL u knitwit. if it is Hampton Park u are referring to then u have no idea of the standard of footy they have had to play with a list not capable of doing so. and for the record, it is official that Hampton Park have been accepted into division 3 for now but further discussions continue
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Keep up with the conversation Stranksy. Hampton Park are Hacks as they failed to stay relevant in their current league. The other Hampton we just refer to as Hampton Handbags.

Get your facts right as our president has not been told the Hacks are comming into Div 3 and as per below a number of other clubs do not want them in and have not been told otherwise. Maybe league wants to get through presentation night without too much angst being unloaded from the free beers.
 
falc10 said:
Bit of carry on here. Wont be rhe first or last club to move leagues. Should be in div 2 for mine. Dont care how many games they have won in the past 3 years. That standard shits on div 3 and they would be competitive in div 2. If not they come down? Clubs find a way to survive. Everything will be fine imo

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Hang on, it was the League President backed up the the board and CEO who all categorically stated " we WILL ensure the Viabilty of our current clubs before accepting a new club into the league". No clubs stated this, it was stated by the league.

With Sandown and Dandenong 'on their knees' getting smashed by 200 points and struggling both resourcefully and financially there is no way they would allow The Hacks in especially when going to spend $$ on players.

Our President, Board and CEO are credible people and they would not go back on their statements only 12 months old as the backlash from struggling clubs will be enormous .
 
I think open communication on the issue and perhaps a Meeting or some forum for discussion between the clubs and the league would be expected given the feeling around the issue. I don't think an email asking clubs to fill out an online survey and then a decision made behind closed doors is good enough.

Token gestures such as limits on recruiting of players within the comp will not address the concerns that clubs have. Perhaps if the league were to explain its decision making process to clubs and invite feedback in an open forum they might sway clubs to see the advantages ( I think there are some) and in turn better understand clubs concerns.
 
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