SFNL Division 1 2023 discussion

[Wild Thing]

The amount of different football leagues across Melbourne is dumb, merge as many leagues as possible.

There hasn’t been much player movement news posted, are we a bit early for that?

How many leagues do you propose? I think there should be 4 and the VAFA in Metro Melbourne with the VAFA purely for old schoolboy ties. District clubs merge into their relevant local league. Essendon and Districts merge with Western Region……and you have a North, South, East and West league. VAFA capped at 3-4 divisions based on how many old schoolboy teams there are.

 

[God Yeah]

The amount of different football leagues across Melbourne is dumb, merge as many leagues as possible.

There hasn’t been much player movement news posted, are we a bit early for that?

Almost impossible to do, could you imagine the politics and grudges that have been festering for years from competing leagues.

 

[DangerousD]

How many leagues do you propose? I think there should be 4 and the VAFA in Metro Melbourne with the VAFA purely for old schoolboy ties. District clubs merge into their relevant local league. Essendon and Districts merge with Western Region……and you have a North, South, East and West league. VAFA capped at 3-4 divisions based on how many old schoolboy teams there are.

What you propose seems like a good starting point, I’m not entirely too sure of what’s best.

I live in Templestowe Lower, I am surrounded by EFL teams, yet at the end of my street is a team in the VAFA, it makes no sense.

I know people don’t like giving credit to other sporting codes but one thing I like about Soccer in Victoria is, it’s generally one competition spread over many divisions. Any club regardless of location can make their way to the top of the tree.

Other than old rivalries, why would you want to seperate the VAFA clubs? There’s lots of clubs in those leagues who don’t have long histories, I’d also expect the big teams to end up in the top divisions anyway.

 

[DangerousD]

Almost impossible to do, could you imagine the politics and grudges that have been festering for years from competing leagues.

I’m not sure why it would be hard to do, it happens in soccer.

The decision would have to come from higher up and the teams would just fall in line. I doubt there is much desire from decision makers though.

Unlikely to happen for the reasons you stated but it’s just always stumped me the amount of leagues, especially with some clubs close to each other in different leagues.

 

[Tackle Bag]

How many leagues do you propose? I think there should be 4 and the VAFA in Metro Melbourne with the VAFA purely for old schoolboy ties. District clubs merge into their relevant local league. Essendon and Districts merge with Western Region……and you have a North, South, East and West league. VAFA capped at 3-4 divisions based on how many old schoolboy teams there are.

That’s pretty much where it’s heading (not the Vafa part) and rumour has it AFLvic have wanted that for a long time. The question is where is the metro/country boundary?

Realistically you have to include Pakenham as metro so they have to come into this comp.
The metro boundary on this side of town extends a lot further out then in the west. Not a great set up when clubs are having to travel over an hour each way to play “local” footy.

 

[bedford]

Almost impossible to do, could you imagine the politics and grudges that have been festering for years from competing leagues.

That's the problem

 

[bedford]

That’s pretty much where it’s heading (not the Vafa part) and rumour has it AFLvic have wanted that for a long time. The question is where is the metro/country boundary?

Realistically you have to include Pakenham as metro so they have to come into this comp.
The metro boundary on this side of town extends a lot further out then in the west. Not a great set up when clubs are having to travel over an hour each way to play “local” footy.

Pakenham used to be in West Gippsland and maybe still should be

 

[Wild Thing]

Pakenham used to be in West Gippsland and maybe still should be

Pakenham would be too big for the West Gippsland league….we know what happened last time they and Beacy were in that league.

 

[Wild Thing]

That’s pretty much where it’s heading (not the Vafa part) and rumour has it AFLvic have wanted that for a long time. The question is where is the metro/country boundary?

Realistically you have to include Pakenham as metro so they have to come into this comp.
The metro boundary on this side of town extends a lot further out then in the west. Not a great set up when clubs are having to travel over an hour each way to play “local” footy.

An hour is no issue for a game of ‘local’ footy…..look at some of the drives out in the country, particularly for Hay F.C in the Golden Rivers league.
If thinking metro related even with local cricket it is almost an hours drive for Aspendale to travel to Middle Park in the Southern Bayside Cricket League. An hour shouldn’t be a problem, much more after that then I think there might be problems.

 

[Tackle Bag]

An hour is no issue for a game of ‘local’ footy…..look at some of the drives out in the country, particularly for Hay F.C in the Golden Rivers league.
If thinking metro related even with local cricket it is almost an hours drive for Aspendale to travel to Middle Park in the Southern Bayside Cricket League. An hour shouldn’t be a problem, much more after that then I think there might be problems.

Yes, country footy has to travel and longer trips are more the norm when you live in those parts.

An advantage many local metro leagues had over VAFA footy was that the games were all local and travel was minimal by comparison. That advantage has been lost with expansion.

Clubs are battling to keep young blokes involved and adding two and a half hours to the time commitment of playing on Saturdays is not appealing to many and doesn’t help.

I reckon there was a place for a 2 or 3 division league based in the south east suburbs that included clubs from the Dandy area across to just past Cranbourne and out to Paky. That was completely mismanaged though and now the best option is for the SFNL to absorb that region.

 

[bedford]

An hour is no issue for a game of ‘local’ footy…..look at some of the drives out in the country, particularly for Hay F.C in the Golden Rivers league.
If thinking metro related even with local cricket it is almost an hours drive for Aspendale to travel to Middle Park in the Southern Bayside Cricket League. An hour shouldn’t be a problem, much more after that then I think there might be problems.

and the traffic is getting worse , shouldn't have to go that far , cricket is different ,

 

[Wild Thing]

and the traffic is getting worse , shouldn't have to go that far , cricket is different ,

How is cricket different? It goes for a longer period of time and a lot more players get ‘paid’ to play footy over cricket so it should be seen as more of an obligation to travel a bit if you want your coin.

 

[Yabblettt]

How is cricket different? It goes for a longer period of time and a lot more players get ‘paid’ to play footy over cricket so it should be seen as more of an obligation to travel a bit if you want your coin.

Let’s get onto the real stuff . What is happening around the clubs. This is what I have heard , feel free to add

Mordi - recruited well
Springy districts - both vickery and wetering will be a challenge for clubs
Port colts - kept most and recruited strongly .
Chelt - kept most but might lose a some fringe players .
Stkilda city - not hearing much



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[bedford]

Let’s get onto the real stuff . What is happening around the clubs. This is what I have heard , feel free to add

Mordi - recruited well
Springy districts - both vickery and wetering will be a challenge for clubs
Port colts - kept most and recruited strongly .
Chelt - kept most but might lose a some fringe players .
Stkilda city - not hearing much



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Colts have lost a long time star and another regular

 

[bedford]

How is cricket different? It goes for a longer period of time and a lot more players get ‘paid’ to play footy over cricket so it should be seen as more of an obligation to travel a bit if you want your coin.

Plenty get paid in cricket

 

[Yabblettt]

Colts have lost a long time star and another regular

Lewis Miildenhall not playing ?? Is that who you are referring

 

[DangerousD]

Yes, country footy has to travel and longer trips are more the norm when you live in those parts.

An advantage many local metro leagues had over VAFA footy was that the games were all local and travel was minimal by comparison. That advantage has been lost with expansion.

Clubs are battling to keep young blokes involved and adding two and a half hours to the time commitment of playing on Saturdays is not appealing to many and doesn’t help.

I reckon there was a place for a 2 or 3 division league based in the south east suburbs that included clubs from the Dandy area across to just past Cranbourne and out to Paky. That was completely mismanaged though and now the best option is for the SFNL to absorb that region.

Would separating junior football, reserves football and senior footy help alleviate some of the issues you raised? I can’t imagine many senior 1s teams being put off by an hour or so but reserves and juniors I do.

If there was a desire some of these issues could be addressed relatively easily.

 

[DangerousD]

and the traffic is getting worse , shouldn't have to go that far , cricket is different ,

What’s different about cricket? If anything cricket is worse, a seniors days play is more than double a football match.

 

[notalegent]

Let’s get onto the real stuff . What is happening around the clubs. This is what I have heard , feel free to add

Mordi - recruited well
Springy districts - both vickery and wetering will be a challenge for clubs
Port colts - kept most and recruited strongly .
Chelt - kept most but might lose a some fringe players .
Stkilda city - not hearing much



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The big word around Bentleigh, is that they have signed on 4/5 players from DLS IN VAFA B Div. on good coin.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Would separating junior football, reserves football and senior footy help alleviate some of the issues you raised? I can’t imagine many senior 1s teams being put off by an hour or so but reserves and juniors I do.

If there was a desire some of these issues could be addressed relatively easily.

Where there’s a will there’s a way

There’s no will

All the clubs are (rightly) out for their own best interests.

All the leagues are only concerned with their own empires

The AFL don’t give a shit who plays where as long as participation goes up

 

[bedford]

What’s different about cricket? If anything cricket is worse, a seniors days play is more than double a football match.

Not the way CSB is set up

 

[Yabblettt]

The big word around Bentleigh, is that they have signed on 4/5 players from DLS IN VAFA B Div. on good coin.

Have they kept all their young kids or have some gone to the other way to DLS??


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[Jimmyjack]

The big word around Bentleigh, is that they have signed on 4/5 players from DLS IN VAFA B Div. on good coin.

Names given to me are ‘fringe’ types but are more than capable players at senior level. I heard it is 4 who played in the reserves premiership last year. While not substantiated and there is often mayo applied, the figure suggested is ridiculous for what in essence are B grade reserves players but I guess you have to get them from somewhere. All good blokes who will add depth and will do well at this level.

 

[Parkf00ty]

How many leagues do you propose? I think there should be 4 and the VAFA in Metro Melbourne with the VAFA purely for old schoolboy ties. District clubs merge into their relevant local league. Essendon and Districts merge with Western Region……and you have a North, South, East and West league. VAFA capped at 3-4 divisions based on how many old schoolboy teams there are.

Yes I agree North East West South metro
WRFL have lost 3 big clubs in recent years and are now expanding out to weribee areas EDFL have sides far as Sunbury It’s a a fair hike for kids early in the morning on Sundays I also like the idea VAFA have in two go up two come down
Makes the bottom tier sides in the ladder like finals


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[notalegent]

Bedford, I hear St Paul's play your mob on 1st April in practice match. SFL Divi 1 V C grade ammos.