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SFNL Division 1 2023 discussion

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How many leagues do you propose? I think there should be 4 and the VAFA in Metro Melbourne with the VAFA purely for old schoolboy ties. District clubs merge into their relevant local league. Essendon and Districts merge with Western Region……and you have a North, South, East and West league. VAFA capped at 3-4 divisions based on how many old schoolboy teams there are.
Should only be 1 suburban league just with many divisions.. Premier Division would be something like Rowville, Noble Park, Balwyn, Vermont, Aberfeldie, Strathmore, Cheltenham, Dingley, Heidleberg, Montmorency & Bundoora.. with 2 going up and down each year...
 
Should only be 1 suburban league just with many divisions.. Premier Division would be something like Rowville, Noble Park, Balwyn, Vermont, Aberfeldie, Strathmore, Cheltenham, Dingley, Heidleberg, Montmorency & Bundoora.. with 2 going up and down each year...
Too much travel . Footy Southern Bayside is good enough
 
Any word on U/19's comp this year. Dingley, St Kilda, Murrumbenna and St Paul's already have indicated that they are struggling to field sides. Glen Eira (VAFA) seems to have beating SFL clubs and even Ormond too on securing all juniors in that part of town.
Any big signing around. Lots happening in lower Divi's but Div 1 a bit quite this far. Must be holding their transfer back until later in the month. Even St Kilda City quite.
 
Any word on U/19's comp this year. Dingley, St Kilda, Murrumbenna and St Paul's already have indicated that they are struggling to field sides. Glen Eira (VAFA) seems to have beating SFL clubs and even Ormond too on securing all juniors in that part of town.
Any big signing around. Lots happening in lower Divi's but Div 1 a bit quite this far. Must be holding their transfer back until later in the month. Even St Kilda City quite.
Glen Eira 19's are called Old McKinnon and that way the school pressures kids to play for the old school team . Teachers there from other clubs are not allowed to try and keep they're own kids , it's an absolute joke . They are parasites , an amalgamation of about 11 clubs.
 
19s comp will likely be pretty weak again. If traditionally strong clubs such as Dingley and St Kilda are even struggling to field a team the competition will be shallow and mediocre, especially as Bentleigh will get 2 sides up meaning they'll have to split into 2 divisions again.
Having a look at last years 19s sides
Div 1
Bentleigh
Endeavour Hills
Dingley
Cheltenham
Frankston
St Kilda
Would imagine all these sides would get one up bar Frankston, I know they played with 16-18 players most of last year and they went winless too. However the senior side have gone up to Div 3. Hopefully St Pauls can.
Let's say 5/6

Div 2
Bentleigh
Doveton
Cranbourne
Lyndhurst
Highett
Murrumbeena
I know Highett have already confirmed to have a side up and they have that Under 17s Div 1 side coming up too so should be a decent side.
Doveton and Cranny will get sides up and should strengthen after first year in the comp.
Lyndhurst have no idea but have also been promoted so they might attract more kids.
Beena traditionally get a side up so would bank on them to field in 2023.
I also know Carrum PL have stated they're entering a 19s side too.

With a glass half full outlook you'd hope there will be at least 12 teams across 2 divisions. If Bentleigh didn't have 2 sides you could probably lump them all in the same comp. But with 2 divisions the minimum would have to be 6 teams in each you'd imagine.
Hopefully other teams are trying to field a side too, such as Port Melb.
 
Glen Eira 19's are called Old McKinnon and that way the school pressures kids to play for the old school team . Teachers there from other clubs are not allowed to try and keep they're own kids , it's an absolute joke . They are parasites , an amalgamation of about 11 clubs.

In an area so thick with private schools, aligning to a public school doesn’t seem like the worst strategy tbh.

As for the school “pressuring” kids to play there, well they all leave school at 17 or 18 and then play where they like.
 
In an area so thick with private schools, aligning to a public school doesn’t seem like the worst strategy tbh.

As for the school “pressuring” kids to play there, well they all leave school at 17 or 18 and then play where they like.
Good points and really for a club with no soul they have to do it , but's its the way they do it .
This thing about playing with mates is crap , if they are mates they really are mates .
 
Good points and really for a club with no soul they have to do it , but's its the way they do it .
This thing about playing with mates is crap , if they are mates they really are mates .

Ha, you can say that again... i would say one thing about the current younger generation, "playing with mates" seems to be the most important thing there is. It's not the worst trait to have, to want to hang out with your mates, but I reckon it's a big part of what's driving the mass exodus that seems to happen more these days and really hurts clubs, and can almost kill them. You lose 1 or 2 players and all of a sudden its 10 or 20 because they all move in big groups. Good if it's on your side, but it can be fatal. It has killed Glen Waverley, it could now kill Old Mentone.

Losing 30 players would kill almost any club, it's very fragile.
 

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Ha, you can say that again... i would say one thing about the current younger generation, "playing with mates" seems to be the most important thing there is. It's not the worst trait to have, to want to hang out with your mates, but I reckon it's a big part of what's driving the mass exodus that seems to happen more these days and really hurts clubs, and can almost kill them. You lose 1 or 2 players and all of a sudden its 10 or 20 because they all move in big groups. Good if it's on your side, but it can be fatal. It has killed Glen Waverley, it could now kill Old Mentone.

Losing 30 players would kill almost any club, it's very fragile.
Good points but this is different as comes from the school high up and amazingly the 19's are allowed to called themselves Old McKinnon which has nothing to do with Glen Eira . It St Pauls were smart they would change their name to McKinnon footy club
 
19s comp will likely be pretty weak again. If traditionally strong clubs such as Dingley and St Kilda are even struggling to field a team the competition will be shallow and mediocre, especially as Bentleigh will get 2 sides up meaning they'll have to split into 2 divisions again.
Having a look at last years 19s sides
Div 1
Bentleigh
Endeavour Hills
Dingley
Cheltenham
Frankston
St Kilda
Would imagine all these sides would get one up bar Frankston, I know they played with 16-18 players most of last year and they went winless too. However the senior side have gone up to Div 3. Hopefully St Pauls can.
Let's say 5/6

Div 2
Bentleigh
Doveton
Cranbourne
Lyndhurst
Highett
Murrumbeena
I know Highett have already confirmed to have a side up and they have that Under 17s Div 1 side coming up too so should be a decent side.
Doveton and Cranny will get sides up and should strengthen after first year in the comp.
Lyndhurst have no idea but have also been promoted so they might attract more kids.
Beena traditionally get a side up so would bank on them to field in 2023.
I also know Carrum PL have stated they're entering a 19s side too.

With a glass half full outlook you'd hope there will be at least 12 teams across 2 divisions. If Bentleigh didn't have 2 sides you could probably lump them all in the same comp. But with 2 divisions the minimum would have to be 6 teams in each you'd imagine.
Hopefully other teams are trying to field a side too, such as Port Melb.
Highett was a merged U/17 team with St Peters, so as good as a team they were in U17 Div 1, how many are actually aligned with Highett? and how many will come up to U19s?
 
Should only be 1 suburban league just with many divisions.. Premier Division would be something like Rowville, Noble Park, Balwyn, Vermont, Aberfeldie, Strathmore, Cheltenham, Dingley, Heidleberg, Montmorency & Bundoora.. with 2 going up and down each year...
In what scenario can you ever imagine Cheltenham and Dingley, both well run Clubs, being competitive against the likes of Vermont, Noble, Heidelberg,Bundoora etc, only a few years ago Aberfeldie via their Sports Club ran on a Salary Cap over $500K
 
In what scenario can you ever imagine Cheltenham and Dingley, both well run Clubs, being competitive against the likes of Vermont, Noble, Heidelberg,Bundoora etc, only a few years ago Aberfeldie via their Sports Club ran on a Salary Cap over $500K
To his credit he was only giving examples of clubs. The reality is no Southern League clubs would make it in the Super League. If I recall rightly only a few years ago (when Dingley were in their prime of winning flags) they played a practice match against Noble and were kept goalless. I know what people think of practice matches but fair proof just there!
 
There's a few, but almost the entire U19 team last year is still eligible. Many of that combined U17 side are headed to De La Salle.
Makes sense I guess, St Peters aligned kids going to St Bedes across the road have to do VCE at another school, usually St Bedes Mentone or De La. Young blokes won't travel to a team in a large group to a building team, unless there's a high chance of a flag. That's the reality of Gen Z
 
I don’t mind the idea of just drawing the line at 18yo and making the top junior level U18s rather than U17s, then making the thirds maybe U22 or U23. It can be a genuine thirds, a developmental grade, and take the pressure off senior clubs trying to find 25 kids aged 18-19.

I think you’d get more clubs competing.

Maybe there’s a downside, I haven’t thought about it fully.
 
In what scenario can you ever imagine Cheltenham and Dingley, both well run Clubs, being competitive against the likes of Vermont, Noble, Heidelberg,Bundoora etc, only a few years ago Aberfeldie via their Sports Club ran on a Salary Cap over $500K

Chelt and Dingley would need to up their game to compete against those other clubs from stronger leagues, recruit better, attract most sponsors etc but nothing saying they dont have the capacity to do this.
 
In what scenario can you ever imagine Cheltenham and Dingley, both well run Clubs, being competitive against the likes of Vermont, Noble, Heidelberg,Bundoora etc, only a few years ago Aberfeldie via their Sports Club ran on a Salary Cap over $500K

Then Dingley and Cheltenham would be relegated to the division that suits. It’s also a flawed argument, when I was young Rowville was a Div 4 team, now they are in the Premier division playing in grand finals, a few of the big Div 1 clubs from my youth are now in Div 3.

Things change.
 
Chelt and Dingley would need to up their game to compete against those other clubs from stronger leagues, recruit better, attract most sponsors etc but nothing saying they dont have the capacity to do this.
No chance,
Chelt and Dingley would need to up their game to compete against those other clubs from stronger leagues, recruit better, attract most sponsors etc but nothing saying they dont have the capacity to do this.
No chance , just like the Dingley/Noble game mentioned previously i watched a top Div 1 club from SNFL play at full strength against an Eastern Premier club in a practice game a few years ago and nearly 150 pts was the margin at the end
 

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