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Opinion Shifter's Best Ever Pick No.3: Judd or Dusty?
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Agree .. people seem to only think Dusty has been good last 3 years, he has been awesome all along.
People forget the integral role he played on our 9-0 2014 (?) run to make finals ...
All I remember is when we needed a goal to win, we put him forward and he delivered EVERY time ... not many players like that .. EVER
and yes, Judd was a fantastic player .. Dusty already has him .. a few more Dusty years to go ... he might close in on the the greatest ... another brownlow or norm smith and no one will catch him
I Love Dusty
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Dusty Lyrics
"I Only Want To Be With You"
I don't know what it is that makes me always want watch you so
I only know I never want to see you go to North
'Cause you've started something
Oh, can't you see?
That ever since You came to Tigerland at pick three
You've had a hold on me
It happens to be true
I only want you to be a Tiger
It doesn't matter where you play or what you do
I want to spend each moment of the day watching you
Oh, look what has happened with just one kick
I never knew that I could be in love like this
It's crazy but it's true
I only want to watch you
You stopped and smiled at Danger
And asked if he’d care to join you on the big dance
He fell and dropped his arms and shit
His pants
And didn't stand a chance
Now listen Danger
Dusty can play everywhere
As long as he’s a Tiger , I don't care
'Cause Dusty started something
Oh, can't you see?
That ever since you’ve came to Tigerland at pick three
You've had a hold on me
No matter what you do
I only want to watch you
Oh, oh, you stopped and you smiled at Greene
And asked if he’d care to join you on the big dance
He tried to eye gouge you , but ran and shit his pants
And didn't stand a chance
Now let me tell you Toby
Dusty can play everywhere
As long as he’s a Tiger, I don't care
'Cause he started something
Oh, can't you see?
That ever since he came to Tigerland at pick three
He’s had a hold on me
No matter what you do
I only want to watch you
I said no matter, no matter what you do
I only want to watch you
Dusty Lyrics
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I don't know what it is that makes me always want watch you so
I only know I never want to see you go to North
'Cause you've started something
Oh, can't you see?
That ever since You came to Tigerland at pick three
You've had a hold on me
It happens to be true
I only want you to be a Tiger
It doesn't matter where you play or what you do
I want to spend each moment of the day watching you
Oh, look what has happened with just one kick
I never knew that I could be in love like this
It's crazy but it's true
I only want to watch you
You stopped and smiled at Danger
And asked if he’d care to join you on the big dance
He fell and dropped his arms and shit
His pants
And didn't stand a chance
Now listen Danger
Dusty can play everywhere
As long as he’s a Tiger , I don't care
'Cause Dusty started something
Oh, can't you see?
That ever since you’ve came to Tigerland at pick three
You've had a hold on me
No matter what you do
I only want to watch you
Oh, oh, you stopped and you smiled at Greene
And asked if he’d care to join you on the big dance
He tried to eye gouge you , but ran and shit his pants
And didn't stand a chance
Now let me tell you Toby
Dusty can play everywhere
As long as he’s a Tiger, I don't care
'Cause he started something
Oh, can't you see?
That ever since he came to Tigerland at pick three
He’s had a hold on me
No matter what you do
I only want to watch you
I said no matter, no matter what you do
I only want to watch you
The way I see it, in a serious showdown between the two players, both at or near their very best, it would shake out something along these lines:
Judd shows up packing heat, Dusty shows up armed with nothing more than a pair of chopsticks. Judd busts out his hardware and takes aim at Dusty who in a flash fends the said item to the floor. Judd runs for his life and tears a hamstring off the bone, falls to the Barry Round(ground.) Dusty casually sets the chopsticks up as goal posts and kicks Judd's arse straight through the high diddle diddle. With a right foot check side, of course. Don’t bring a gun to a chopstick fight Judd.
Get f*cking real Shifter. Fmd, you don’t get votes for marrying a superbitch and living as though you are a brand. The only good thing about Judd is he played for two clubs just about as despicable as he is, and left both of them in absolute tatters.
Judd shows up packing heat, Dusty shows up armed with nothing more than a pair of chopsticks. Judd busts out his hardware and takes aim at Dusty who in a flash fends the said item to the floor. Judd runs for his life and tears a hamstring off the bone, falls to the Barry Round(ground.) Dusty casually sets the chopsticks up as goal posts and kicks Judd's arse straight through the high diddle diddle. With a right foot check side, of course. Don’t bring a gun to a chopstick fight Judd.
Get f*cking real Shifter. Fmd, you don’t get votes for marrying a superbitch and living as though you are a brand. The only good thing about Judd is he played for two clubs just about as despicable as he is, and left both of them in absolute tatters.
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Pick 1...
Or a right foot bendaaaaaa as BT would say
People can take the piss all they like about Hird post career. But he was an out and out star when he played.
For me he was an *out and out star.
* post career revelations established a very liberal attitude towards performance enhancing drugs, such that it was shown and accepted he took them whilst coaching. Not to mention Hird presided over a systematic doping by injection program for his players whilst coaching. This has to at the very least throw doubt on whether he was ever clean as a player. It is perfectly reasonable he lives with that stain over his character and career in the sport in my opinion.
Was Dank involved with his Career??
Hird was duped no question about that and his desire to win overshadowed good governance. It’s very different being in control of your performance as a player then as a coach. As a player you can directly influence the play with your skill/ footy nous and ability. As a coach your relaying your message and hope another human can perform as you would.
You can have your beliefs but to say his career is questionable because of his behaviour post career would be like tarnishing every tiger with the same brush As JC. It’s laughable and non existent. The bloke was a gun and a star and tore us a new arseh*le in a couple of finals especially 2001. Unless there is evidence to the contrary my belief in him as a player want budge.
In my view, that he was duped is a very faint possibility rather than an unquestionable fact. He was fully aware of, and clearly therefore in support of the vast majority of his playing list being taken off site and injected routinely with substances that were never properly accounted for, given he was in a position to put a stop to that should he have chosen to. It was revealed that he himself took peptides by injection during this time so he is hardly going to take substances himself and then have any philosophical objection to his players being given the same substances. But you are entitled to believe his extremely loose ended story replete with strange reactions and objections to the way he was “treated” by the AFL, ASADA and his club Dusty0004.
i get all that, but to say his playing career is tarnished by that is wrong and a long way off the mark
You may disagree with my conclusions but my reasoning is there for all to see, clearly explained. If you think my reasoning is wrong and a long way off the mark then it should be easy for you to show why that is the case. Rather than just telling me your judgement, feel free to expose some of your own reasoning. What part of my reasoning don’t you think is correct and why? Do you not think that at the very least Hird’s willingness to inject himself with peptides while coaching shows a philosophical willingness to seek and use performance enhancing substances at that time? And if you accept that - which to me is plainly obvious because he wasn’t held down and forcibly injected, why should we not question whether this willingness to use performance enhancing substances extends back into his past?
Where’s the proof he was using illegal substances DURING his playing career? Your drawing conclusions on an assumption.
I do not understand it as a proven fact nor did I represent it as proven that he was taking illegal substances during his career. So why would you ask me where the proof is? I have formed a view based on the evidence I have seen and my own reasoning, and you have been told the facts and reasoning that led to that view. No disrespect meant but your post seems a non sequitur, ie it doesn’t follow naturally from the conversation preceding it.
Anyhow, why should it be that my side of the debate requires “proof” whilst your side of the debate advances only blind faith? I mean to believe your point of view, we would have to accept that James Hird proceeded innocently until about his 40th year or so, then suddenly thought, you know what, I really didn’t believe in taking performance enhancing substances while I had the most to gain from doing so during my playing years, but what the hell, I suddenly do now when I have less to gain. And you know what, I believe in it for me now, but not for the players I coach. How likely does that seem to you Dusty0004?
Also, where you say that I am drawing conclusions (based) on an assumption, isn’t this precisely what you are doing? You have no proof of his guilt so you assume he is innocent, although you have no proof of his innocence. And later evidence that casts some reasonable doubt upon his innocence.
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wow in all that rambling you made the same point that you’ve accused me of falsely making. Something you have no proof. It’s like saying Bomber Thompson was an ice Addict his whole career because he has been proven to use post. We will have to agree to disagree. I have accurately said there is no proof he used during his career and yet you’ve said because he used post career he had to be using during career with NO PROOF. Besides what they were supposedly taking was possibly legal during his playing days, much like many other supplements that have since been banned.
Does that affect his legacy as a player? Not in my book. He was a star and gun in every sense of the word
This post from you is one of the finest examples of low grade debating techniques I have seen on these boards Dusty0004. It saddens me to have to pick apart your poorly put argument, but let’s deconstruct it here:
1. "wow in all that rambling”
ram·bling (răm′blĭng)
adj.
1. Often or habitually roaming; wandering.
3. Lengthy and digressive: a rambling speech.
My post was directly addressing points you made. It was not excessively lengthy nor digressive, and made in three concise paragraphs, the first two of which addressed your hollow request for “proof” and the third of which demonstrated clearly you were accusing me of doing the very thing you were guilty of doing.
2. "you made the same point that you’ve accused me of falsely making."
You must have admired my third paragraph so much you decided to borrow its premise in this line, but this time without any apparent or coherent supporting explanation.
. But you did put your own twist on it with your clumsy phrasing, such that no sane reader could be sure what you even mean.3. "It’s like saying Bomber Thompson was an ice Addict his whole career because he has been proven to use post."
Well, not exactly....because I am not even sure ice was available in Australia early in Thompson’s career, where I am certain that types of performance enhancing substances were available here during Hird’s career. But you are sort of catching on to my point, that we can use reasoning to extrapolate from one known fact to help us draw conclusions about matters we are less certain about.
4. "We will have to agree to disagree."
What a person normally says when they know they are not making much headway in a debate.... Only problem is, you go on to disagree to agree to disagree, and this without any assistance from me whatsoever!
5. "I have accurately said there is no proof he used during his career and yet you’ve said because he used post career he had to be using during career with NO PROOF"
Haha, this one is a gem. So you seem to have concluded that because you have not seen proof that it therefore follows there is no proof in existence. It would be more accurate to say that from your position and mine(unless you ARE James Hird....,) that we do not absolutely know whether he took illegal substances during his playing career, and whether he did or not neither of us would have ready access to anything that would prove the case one way or the other.
Then you state that I said because he used post career he had to be using during his career with no proof. My, you got me there, that was terrible of me....only problem is, you have paraphrased what I wrote in a way that significantly alters its meaning. This is what I actually wrote:
* post career revelations established a very liberal attitude towards performance enhancing drugs, such that it was shown and accepted he took them whilst coaching. Not to mention Hird presided over a systematic doping by injection program for his players whilst coaching. This has to at the very least throw doubt on whether he was ever clean as a player. It is perfectly reasonable he lives with that stain over his character and career in the sport in my opinion.
6. Besides what they were supposedly taking was possibly legal during his playing days, much like many other supplements that have since been banned.
Do I have this right...what the Essendon coaches, including Hird, Thompson and Goodwin were reported without challenge to have taken during the supplements scandal, and the Essendon players are strongly suspected of having been injected with, the peptide AOD 90something, was possibly legal in Hird’s playing days? Is that what you are trying to say?
For the record, I doubt this peptide even existed in Hird’s playing days, but that is beside the point. My doubts over whether he was clean in his career are not limited to the question as to whether he took that specific peptide. It is my understanding new “supplements” are being developed constantly, but I would be almost certain if Hird used substances during his career they would have been different ones.
The only other point I would make here is that to my understanding both ASADA and WADA have said that it is not only the substances they list as banned that are illegal and that just because a substance isn’t on their banned list does not make it legal to take in the context of competitive sports.
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James Hird and I had poolside 'talks', biochemist Shane Charter says
Essendon coach James Hird linked to convicted drug trafficker Shane Charter
SHANE Charter - the convicted drug trafficker who may have supplied former Essendon sports scientist Steve Dank with supplements at the centre of footy's doping probe - has links to Bombers coach James Hird.
The Herald Sun can reveal Hird and Charter worked together for 12 months on his diet and fitness during the champion’s premiership and Brownlow Medal-winning career.
Charter was also hailed as “the architect” behind Demon Shane Woewodin’s 2000 Brownlow Medal win.
An Essendon spokesman told the Herald Sun today: “Shane Charter was introduced to James Hird by friends to give dietary advice to him and a number of his friends during 2003 and in early 2004
Essendon coach James Hird linked to convicted drug trafficker Shane Charter
SHANE Charter - the convicted drug trafficker who may have supplied former Essendon sports scientist Steve Dank with supplements at the centre of footy's doping probe - has links to Bombers coach James Hird.
The Herald Sun can reveal Hird and Charter worked together for 12 months on his diet and fitness during the champion’s premiership and Brownlow Medal-winning career.
Charter was also hailed as “the architect” behind Demon Shane Woewodin’s 2000 Brownlow Medal win.
An Essendon spokesman told the Herald Sun today: “Shane Charter was introduced to James Hird by friends to give dietary advice to him and a number of his friends during 2003 and in early 2004
Since when did Hirdy go pick 3?
This post from you is one of the finest examples of low grade debating techniques I have seen on these boards Dusty0004. It saddens me to have to pick apart your poorly put argument, but let’s deconstruct it here:
1. "wow in all that rambling”
ram·bling (răm′blĭng)
adj.
1. Often or habitually roaming; wandering.
3. Lengthy and digressive: a rambling speech.
My post was directly addressing points you made. It was not excessively lengthy nor digressive, and made in three concise paragraphs, the first two of which addressed your hollow request for “proof” and the third of which demonstrated clearly you were accusing me of doing the very thing you were guilty of doing.
2. "you made the same point that you’ve accused me of falsely making."
You must have admired my third paragraph so much you decided to borrow its premise in this line, but this time without any apparent or coherent supporting explanation.
3. "It’s like saying Bomber Thompson was an ice Addict his whole career because he has been proven to use post."
Well, not exactly....because I am not even sure ice was available in Australia early in Thompson’s career, where I am certain that types of performance enhancing substances were available here during Hird’s career. But you are sort of catching on to my point, that we can use reasoning to extrapolate from one known fact to help us draw conclusions about matters we are less certain about.
4. "We will have to agree to disagree."
What a person normally says when they know they are not making much headway in a debate.... Only problem is, you go on to disagree to agree to disagree, and this without any assistance from me whatsoever!
5. "I have accurately said there is no proof he used during his career and yet you’ve said because he used post career he had to be using during career with NO PROOF"
Haha, this one is a gem. So you seem to have concluded that because you have not seen proof that it therefore follows there is no proof in existence. It would be more accurate to say that from your position and mine(unless you ARE James Hird....,) that we do not absolutely know whether he took illegal substances during his playing career, and whether he did or not neither of us would have ready access to anything that would prove the case one way or the other.
Then you state that I said because he used post career he had to be using during his career with no proof. My, you got me there, that was terrible of me....only problem is, you have paraphrased what I wrote in a way that significantly alters its meaning. This is what I actually wrote:
* post career revelations established a very liberal attitude towards performance enhancing drugs, such that it was shown and accepted he took them whilst coaching. Not to mention Hird presided over a systematic doping by injection program for his players whilst coaching. This has to at the very least throw doubt on whether he was ever clean as a player. It is perfectly reasonable he lives with that stain over his character and career in the sport in my opinion.
6. Besides what they were supposedly taking was possibly legal during his playing days, much like many other supplements that have since been banned.
Do I have this right...what the Essendon coaches, including Hird, Thompson and Goodwin were reported without challenge to have taken during the supplements scandal, and the Essendon players are strongly suspected of having been injected with, the peptide AOD 90something, was possibly legal in Hird’s playing days? Is that what you are trying to say?
For the record, I doubt this peptide even existed in Hird’s playing days, but that is beside the point. My doubts over whether he was clean in his career are not limited to the question as to whether he took that specific peptide. It is my understanding new “supplements” are being developed constantly, but I would be almost certain if Hird used substances during his career they would have been different ones.
The only other point I would make here is that to my understanding both ASADA and WADA have said that it is not only the substances they list as banned that are illegal and that just because a substance isn’t on their banned list does not make it legal to take in the context of competitive sports.
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