Autopsy Should have Could have - but didn't. Down by 2 against Port

[Superstar swan]

Safely say he’s not plying for a few weeks at best. Let’s hope he recovers because we don’t have many options there

Yea there won't be a rush to get him back. It wasn't great vision, especially with the class action suit hanging over the afl

 

[Wolfgang West]

I’d blame the silly mids letting a clearance when we were up late in the game and then letting Finlayson of all people just stand there and mark it. Buck stops with the midfield who were utterly trounced

I was only referring to the last play. If you want me to peel back the layers pull up a stool and be prepared to go into the early hrs. It was ****ing horrible from start to finish.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

"Shaped to handball".... did he go off his line? Nope. Did he jump or twist or step? Nope. Did he do anything at all that would be deemed to be executing a hamdball? Nope. Not to me... he moved the ball from one hand to the other... The umpire got excited & bmew the whistle (a clear mistake by an umpire who is clearly under trained, too easily emotionally manipulated etc etc).

That's it.

In my opinion (& obviously you disagree) but he simply changed hands & the umpire was overly excited... This happens because the umpire is under trained, under paid, under scrutinised. His calling was putrid all night (both ways) - The port supporters I watched with all agreed. Just a terrible night for him.... yet he'll get no attention, no repurcusions, nothing. Bud gets dragged under the bus & told to quit & he's s**t yet the umpire who had an absolute shocker just goes about his business without a care... We need an independant third party who review, employ & manage the umpires. The AFL are all too happy to keep the umpires in house, paying them nothing as part time contractors & not gaving anyone question the quality or consistency of them... More money is their only focus. Stuff the quality or growth of the game... They want to "grow" the money... not "the game".

One last time

Ladham’s put himself squarely in that position and blaming a poor umpire call is completely missing the point.

If you stand on the mark and start to make any kind of disposal
Movements you risk exactly what happened. He did move fractionally off the line and that’s all it took for the call. Poor umpire decision yes poorer decision for Ladham’s to keep standing next to the guy manning the mark assessing his options like a dumb ruckman told not to kick. Take a few steps back and reduce the risk not continue doing the same risky ruckman move.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yep - good KPDs around the comp must clap their hands with glee when they see we are next on the list for the likely field day they are about to have.

To make it even worse, when we do bomb long to the 4 on 1, we usually take an age to do it too. I know sometimes you have to go back and think about options - but I'd love to see a lot of others players take the first option more often - i.e. spot a lead, try and hit it - or say nothing is on I'm going to go long. At least then there is a chance of it only being an unsettled 2 on 1 or something - not giving every defender in the nearest 50 metres time to get back.

We can move it very effectively quickly from our back line into the midfield, but if we get a mark around the half forward, we end up in a time-space continuum and take forever for the next kick more often than not.

They need to get their eyes down, spot a lead, or bomb it quickly. Don't look around for 4 hours, not spot any leads and then bomb it. At least if it is coming in quickly, the 48,000 midfielders will not always had a chance to get down there as well to block the spaces, and there is a chance at the fall of the ball if it gets that far.

Funnily when we did that (spot short targets etc think Warners goal on the run) we came back in the game tonight to then go back to bombing it when we were 18 points up. Now is that coaching? We can easily kick through them.

 

[Wolfgang West]

this is a cop out.

when we moved it fast there was space everywhere. When we go slow their key positions or rucks out marked us. We couldn’t even get it to ground.

bombing is fine if you can get it to ground. Our forwards couldn’t manage that all night.

Plenty of space if you are prepared to work hard enough.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

I’m okay with it being called so long as it’s consistent and they seem to be fairly consistent this season with this. Do I love the rule not particularly but Ladhams needs to be smarter he did the same last week you think he’d learn

Oh. You're ok with it. Phew! I was worried there for a tic.

None-the-less...

Shifting the footy from one hand to another isn't a free kick. The umpire got excited & pre-empted what MIGHT have happened & blew the whistle BEFORE anything happened.

It really is pretty simple. It was a wrong call.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I was only referring to the last play. If you want me to peel back the layers pull up a stool and be prepared to go into the early hrs. It was ****ing horrible from start to finish.

Was decent patches when we were behind played good footy to get to 18 points up before going back to dumb bomb it and hope for the best stuff to lose it. Honestly that game painted a picture just how our season has been.

 

[ashep]

Warner is good

apologies for being over the top and negative in the match thread


just pissed off

will go cool down

Mate there's no apology necessary, that's what it's all about.

2 hours ago I was cursing those who were pensioning off Buddy, dropping Heeney, and writing our season off, but it's all in good fun.

 

[mcs095]

Funnily when we did that (spot short targets etc think Warners goal on the run) we came back in the game tonight to then go back to bombing it when we were 18 points up. Now is that coaching? We can easily kick through them.

Just a coincidence, just a coincidence

Agree 110%.

 

[Superstar swan]

Trying to find some positives

Warner was sensational again. Ill never get sick of watching him streaming through the guts

Blakey made some huge plays

Campbell is growing in confidence

Stephens played a nice game

Florent was great

Errol's kicking inside 50 is a phenomenon

Rampe was pretty much flawless. He's really turned the clock back

 

[melbournehammer]

Funnily when we did that (spot short targets etc think Warners goal on the run) we came back in the game tonight to then go back to bombing it when we were 18 points up. Now is that coaching? We can easily kick through them.

One of the commentators mentioned that Lloyd and Parker were trying to slow the game down to get a bit of control at 16 points up with 8 minutes to go. I nearly had a heart attack because that’s not what we needed. Slowing the game down is fine when you kick to Reid on the wing and he’ll mark it. Slowing it down to just then kick it to them and invite more pressure on a small backline was madness. We needed to keep the speed in the game to run past their defenders.

whether that was coaching or not I don’t know but I felt As an armchair expert we were making a terrible decision

 

[GotTheGoodes]

One last time

Ladham’s put himself squarely in that position and blaming a poor umpire call is completely missing the point.

If you stand on the mark and start to make any kind of disposal
Movements you risk exactly what happened. He did move fractionally off the line and that’s all it took for the call. Poor umpire decision yes poorer decision for Ladham’s to keep standing next to the guy manning the mark assessing his options like a dumb ruckman told not to kick. Take a few steps back and reduce the risk not continue doing the same risky ruckman move.

One last time? You or me? I could go on & on & on & on....

I assume you want the final say here. So go for it. I assume you will continue to tell me I am wrong... I'm telling you that I don't believe he played on at all nor did he make any movement which should have been called against. You disagree. All good... Feel free to tell me that I'm wrong again so you can get the last word in though. It's ypur board as much as anyone elses!

Have a great night.

 

[Superstar swan]

The criticism of buddy is nothing personal, at 37 years old this was bound to happen. Unfortunately no matter how legendary you are, father time is undefeated

 

[Olian]

Shambles of a game. Port just flood the backline and we couldn’t find space.
Forward line is dysfunctional in those circumstances. We looked our best when we moved the ball quickly but Port did well to negate that.

Buddy is a liability as his opponents have had a day out the last couple of weeks.
The back line was stretched when we lost the McCartin brothers which coincided with Port scoring all their goals with them off. Midfield had their moments but in the end we probably didn’t make the most of the first quarter and a half when we dominated.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Just a coincidence, just a coincidence

Agree 110%.

That’s why I continue to go back to where the buck stops and that’s coaching. I believe the players are good enough as they have shown when Bud wasn’t there…so are they being coached to bomb it? If so that’s beyond dumb

 

[LukeParkerno1]

One of the commentators mentioned that Lloyd and Parker were trying to slow the game down to get a bit of control at 16 points up with 8 minutes to go. I nearly had a heart attack because that’s not what we needed. Slowing the game down is fine when you kick to Reid on the wing and he’ll mark it. Slowing it down to just then kick it to them and invite more pressure on a small backline was madness. We needed to keep the speed in the game to run past their defenders.

whether that was coaching or not I don’t know but I felt As an armchair expert we were making a terrible decision

Well said mate at the ground it was driving me nuts this bombing it all night long. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. You’d think after bombing it 30’times and it being rebounded they’d go away from this dumb gameplan

 

[Superstar swan]

I'm really curios as to how the club and buddy handle the onslaught of questioning this week.

After a game like that, they can't exactly "manage" him because everyone knows he was dropped

 

[Olian]

One last time? You or me? I could go on & on & on & on....

I assume you want the final say here. So go for it. I assume you will continue to tell me I am wrong... I'm telling you that I don't believe he played on at all nor did he make any movement which should have been called against. You disagree. All good... Feel free to tell me that I'm wrong again so you can get the last word in though. It's ypur board as much as anyone elses!

Have a great night.

He didn’t play on it was a poor call. The feigning of a handball to draw the 50 metre for the player moving off the mark has been abolished. Ladhams didn’t do that it just a poor call on a night of dubious calls for both teams. Port were benefited with a couple of goals.

 

[Superstar swan]

Well said mate at the ground it was driving me nuts this bombing it all night long. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. You’d think after bombing it 30’times and it being rebounded they’d go away from this dumb gameplan

Bombing the ball has been a constant issue for as long as I can remember.

It's frustrating watching other games and seeing forwards being hit on leads in plenty of space, and we cannot or choose not to do the same

 

[Banyo Bloods]

One last time? You or me? I could go on & on & on & on....

I assume you want the final say here. So go for it. I assume you will continue to tell me I am wrong... I'm telling you that I don't believe he played on at all nor did he make any movement which should have been called against. You disagree. All good... Feel free to tell me that I'm wrong again so you can get the last word in though. It's ypur board as much as anyone elses!

Have a great night.

Yeah just gloss over every time I say it was an incorrect call.

You remind me of Ladham’s you just don’t get it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Bombing the ball has been a constant issue for as long as I can remember.

It's frustrating watching other games and seeing forwards being hit on leads in plenty of space, and we cannot or choose not to do the same

Hate Carlton so much but look at how they get the ball to their forwards compared to us. They use their lead ups Silvagni, etc and are hitting Curnow/McKay at advantage. That’s the issue I have I don’t see why we aren’t doing that we have BETTER kicks through our midfield apparently

 

[MarkP]

Losing both key defenders was always going to make it tough.

Looking at Paddy I think he clipped the hip of the port guy a second before he got to the turf. From experience that can daze you big time similar to copping a jab flush in the eye. Probably wrong but meh it is what I saw.

Apart from that we have big issues for next week with them both out.

Ollie's kick was always a hope job. Thought he should have played on, even Buddy, and yes he is obviously a diminished kick, in the second categorically knew he had no chance from 50 at that end. Anyway fair enough plus kudos for taking the responsibility. He kept us in it.

Cunningham and Campbell are playing at the wrong ends. Just swap them.

If Heeney and Franklin both play next week you know marketing is having a say.

Anyway seen it worse.

Onwards and upwards.

See you in a few months.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Hate Carlton so much but look at how they get the ball to their forwards compared to us. They use their lead ups Silvagni, etc and are hitting Curnow/McKay at advantage. That’s the issue I have I don’t see why we aren’t doing that we have BETTER kicks through our midfield apparently

Harry Mackay is a great mark and takes a link grab quite often for their entries. Reid was that guy but isn’t any longer or most likely not. Need somebody to present with sure hands and I’m not sure they exist unless that becomes Heeney’s specific role.

 

[ashep]

No argument that Buddy is off the pace at the moment, but why is it his fault that when he plays the midfield continuously bomb it on his head like he's prime Carey?

 

[RilesMacca]

Florent was the highest rated player on the ground (champion data). Didn't deserve to end that way for him.