Autopsy 26 point win against West Coast.

[Ticky009]

 

[the hypnotoad]

Do you think they're easy to win?

We have some limitations in our team (and squad) at the moment, and one of those is that our midfielders are all relatively slight. Maybe that's a blind spot on Beatson's part. But more likely it's because the really good, big bodied midfielders (Petracca, Martin, Green, De Goey, Bontempelli etc - almost certainly Harley Reid in the future, maybe Reuben Ginbey too) tend to go early in the draft. They're not easy to find.

So Longmire has crafted a game plan to make the best use of what he has at his disposal. But other teams have good players too. They can't be relied to always roll over in the way that Collingwood did a few weeks ago.

I think our first few weeks have given some an exaggerated view of how good our team is. They are good, but not so good that they are guaranteed to win so long as they turn up every week.

Today's game was far more valuable than a 171 point win. Especially in April. Premierships aren't won in April. The losses or hard fought wins teach teams how to find different ways to win.

this is a very sensible post

 

[the hypnotoad]

Between Reid, JHF and McDonald I’d feel absolutely sick as a north supporter right now.


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or at any time over the past decade

 

[Wheresbuddy]

After the bye, Parker should be back, followed in a week or 2 by Rampe. What are the opinions on who makes way? I also think Wicks deserves another crack. The forward pressure was OK yesterday at times but I think could be better.

In Parker Wicks
Out Jordan Fox (sub)

Once Rampe returns, Lloyd to make way. Roberts is playing his old role and Rampe is a much better defender than Lloyd, even on smalls and mediums.

Then Mills to return midseason. Suspect we will have a few injuries by then to make that decision easier............

 

[Punts]

I can see mills moving back to hb when he returns

Need some stability there

Lloyd and a few are not defensively good enough

Points against us shouldn’t be that high especially against a garbage bombers and wce

 

[Maddo11]

My happy place from the game

Into the breeze as well

How many booming left boots do we need in the team lol

 

[Donza]

I said earlier this year that Lloyd was being phased out. That opinion was ridiculed by a few

Yet here we are.

 

[Punts]

Will they drop him though?

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Will they drop him though?

Doubt it. He's been such a good player for us for so long, suspect he will be given every opportunity.

 

[ashep]

I said earlier this year that Lloyd was being phased out. That opinion was ridiculed by a few

Yet here we are.

Where are we?

 

[Wheresbuddy]

I can see mills moving back to hb when he returns

Need some stability there

Lloyd and a few are not defensively good enough

Points against us shouldn’t be that high especially against a garbage bombers and wce

I agree. There is this notion that he's an AA midfielder, thus has to play there. However, we are stacked for midfield options but not so much defenders. He will strengthen our team more by playing off HB - strong overhead, good at ground level and a very good decision maker. Can play on all sorts of forwards (except Hawkins ). He can be to us what Luke Hodge was for the Hawks in their prime.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

When we don't play well, my grumpy eye rolls round like a ball bearing in a pinny machine. It squeaks and says we are not running hard enough.

I have a sense our GPS numbers are down at the moment. Thoughts anyone?

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I agree. There is this notion that he's an AA midfielder, thus has to play there. However, we are stacked for midfield options but not so much defenders. He will strengthen our team more by playing off HB - strong overhead, good at ground level and a very good decision maker. Can play on all sorts of forwards (except Hawkins ). He can be to us what Luke Hodge was for the Hawks in their prime.

He was an AA Mid in 22.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I agree. There is this notion that he's an AA midfielder, thus has to play there. However, we are stacked for midfield options but not so much defenders. He will strengthen our team more by playing off HB - strong overhead, good at ground level and a very good decision maker. Can play on all sorts of forwards (except Hawkins ). He can be to us what Luke Hodge was for the Hawks in their prime.

He was an AA Mid in 22 iirc.

Truth is he can play pretty much anywhere, except on Porkins as you say or in the WWE squared circle rassling Jake the Snake.

The guy possesses great skills. Really hope we get him back this season.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Do you think they're easy to win?

We have some limitations in our team (and squad) at the moment, and one of those is that our midfielders are all relatively slight. Maybe that's a blind spot on Beatson's part. But more likely it's because the really good, big bodied midfielders (Petracca, Martin, Green, De Goey, Bontempelli etc - almost certainly Harley Reid in the future, maybe Reuben Ginbey too) tend to go early in the draft. They're not easy to find.

So Longmire has crafted a game plan to make the best use of what he has at his disposal. But other teams have good players too. They can't be relied to always roll over in the way that Collingwood did a few weeks ago.

I think our first few weeks have given some an exaggerated view of how good our team is. They are good, but not so good that they are guaranteed to win so long as they turn up every week.

Today's game was far more valuable than a 171 point win. Especially in April. Premierships aren't won in April. The losses or hard fought wins teach teams how to find different ways to win.

This post has garnered quite a few likes - but I disagree.

Our skills were appalling at times yesterday. The second quarter was diabolical.

And the intensity just seemed to be lacking.

West Coast are poor. Their record proves it. And despite what Horse says, not since GWS and Gold Coast’s inaugural years has a team been as close to “easy beat” status.

Yesterday we were poor and it was not because of the build of our midfielders.

 

[Punts]

Will mills definitely get back this year?

 

[Donza]

This post has garnered quite a few likes - but I disagree.

Our skills were appalling at times yesterday. The second quarter was diabolical.

And the intensity just seemed to be lacking.

West Coast are poor. Their record proves it. And despite what Horse says, not since GWS and Gold Coast’s inaugural years has a team been as close to “easy beat” status.

Yesterday we were poor and it was not because of the build of our midfielders.

I think this "X" team is poor is a load of BS nowadays. Every team in the comp, no matter how poor their record, can produce a effort that can knock off a fancied opponent.

Their ability to do that consistently is what brings them undone.

 

[Donza]

Where are we?

Madagascar, with penguins.

 

[caesar88]

He was an AA Mid in 22 iirc.

Truth is he can play pretty much anywhere, except on Porkins as you say or in the WWE squared circle rassling Jake the Snake.

The guy possesses great skills. Really hope we get him back this season.

Yeah I like Mills sort of playing anywhere.

The Freo game in Perth last year he played mostly on the wing, but pushed back to intercept in defence, then pushed forward to kick a couple of goals, then went inside a few times. It was sort of the perfect Mills game. Not dominant, but not needing to be because he was making the team so much better with everything he did.

Although I do also want to see how he'd go in the mids with Heeney & Rowbottom.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I think this "X" team is poor is a load of BS nowadays. Every team in the comp, no matter how poor their record, can produce a effort that can knock off a fancied opponent.

Their ability to do that consistently is what brings them undone.

West Coast finished 2023 with a % of 53.

Going into yesterday’s game it was below 50%.

So in effect, for every point they score, their opponents score 2.

To me, that is poor. Very poor.

And yes, I agree that even poor teams will have better days - but I’m still of a view that we were lousy yesterday.

I think there’s still plenty of cause for optimism - as long as the Wicks issue hasn’t cut deeper than we know.

 

[Wolfgang West]

Will mills definitely get back this year?

Why would you think he won't ? They have said half way point from the moment he had the surgery. A few weeks ago they said he was possibly ahead of where they expected so its on track you would think. One thing not to expect is it to be any earlier knowing The Swans super cautious approach to any injury rehab & Return. Problem that will be incurred though is even if it is on track for the halfway point of the season add another 4 weeks for him to get anywhere near match fit and some timing and touch back. Have no doubt this bullshit mad Monday crap has hurt us.

 

[Punts]

Why would you think he won't ? They have said half way point from the moment he had the surgery. A few weeks ago they said he was possibly ahead of where they expected so its on track you would think. One thing not to expect is it to be any earlier knowing The Swans super cautious approach to any injury rehab & Return. Problem that will be incurred though is even if it is on track for the halfway point of the season add another 4 weeks for him to get anywhere near match fit and some timing and touch back. Have no doubt this bullshit mad Monday crap has hurt us.

Just going of some other cases with that particular Injury and blokes missing up to 12 months

 

[Wolfgang West]

When we don't play well, my grumpy eye rolls round like a ball bearing in a pinny machine. It squeaks and says we are not running hard enough.

I have a sense our GPS numbers are down at the moment. Thoughts anyone?

Highly likely you are correct. Not working nearly hard enough to get to space for starters. We looked like the best kicking team in the comp in the first few weeks as we heard from the media on repeat because the kicker was given the ball in space and delivered to a player in space. Last week was and large parts of yesterday was delivering under pressure to a team mate under pressure. Sound simple ? That's because it is. We had been kicking the ball beautifully on the 45 to players who worked from the congestion and spread the opposition that allowed us back in the corridor before they could set up there. So Uncle To My Eye you are right work rate is down.

 

[Ticky009]

I said earlier this year that Lloyd was being phased out. That opinion was ridiculed by a few

Yet here we are.

Not agreeing with a post or having a difference of opinion is not being ridiculed.

 

[SwansProudly]

Hayward Swans Mark of the week

 

[Wolfgang West]

Just going of some other cases with that particular Injury and blokes missing up to 12 months

Of course no comparison here physically but Carey played the hardest position on the ground with blokes literally hanging off him after complete shoulder reconstructions over the off season. Different times these days and different medical methods but I wouldn't be concerned until I hear the ominous words " Mills has had a setback in his rehab " Which would probably mean the season.