Moved Thread Should the AFL have a full pride round?

[Dynamics]

Depending on your definition of transitioning, between 3% and 0.15% of people who transition regret transitioning.

Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence - PMC

Supplemental Digital Content is available in the text.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I acknowledge that this still leaves a subset of the population that regrets their transition, but 3% of what is already a small percentage of the population (39 from 10,000 individuals) is much lower than the binary you're proposing as equal.

That examples exist does not entail that those examples are representative of a wider population.

Thanks for the link, I'll have a read.

 

[Schneebly11]

I'd prefer teachers didn't discuss gender ideology, sexual preferences and transgender issues with my kids.

Pretty obvious why...the way schools these days a getting more and more progressive I'd prefer we as parents handled such a sensitive topic. Obviously there will be parents who will approach it differently but imo most parents will still handle it in a fairly "conservative" way.

Gender and sexuality are human biology. Science. It’s like saying “I’d prefer teachers not discuss evolution with my kids”.

And you then admit you want more conservative teachings given to children. Now tell me how many average parents will thoroughly research biology and sexuality textbooks, make sure the content they’ve learned is correct (ie be assessed on it) and then instruct children in a correct manner? Answer, very few.

There’s people who are specifically trained for that, they’re called teachers. In now way shape or form will the average parent educate a child better than a trained and monitored teacher.

 

[Superstar swan]

Gender and sexuality are human biology. Science. It’s like saying “I’d prefer teachers not discuss evolution with my kids”.

And you then admit you want more conservative teachings given to children. Now tell me how many average parents will thoroughly research biology and sexuality textbooks, make sure the content they’ve learned is correct (ie be assessed on it) and then instruct children in a correct manner? Answer, very few.

There’s people who are specifically trained for that, they’re called teachers. In now way shape or form will the average parent educate a child better than a trained and monitored teacher.

I'm not the terms science and gender can be used in the same sentence any more. There is nothing scientific about the genders people identify as these days. It's purely based off emotion and how an individual feels

 

[Goroyals22]

I'd prefer teachers didn't discuss gender ideology, sexual preferences and transgender issues with my kids.

Pretty obvious why...the way schools these days a getting more and more progressive I'd prefer we as parents handled such a sensitive topic. Obviously there will be parents who will approach it differently but imo most parents will still handle it in a fairly "conservative" way.






Not a fan. I could get behind a age limit on entering a hooters.

What are your thoughts on the video? All ok? Happy to take your kids to that kind of event?

Why should hooters have an age limit?
Kids see woman in shorts and singlets everyday at the shop..

Should the beach now have an age limit?

 

[Gethelred]

I'm not the terms science and gender can be used in the same sentence any more. There is nothing scientific about the genders people identify as these days. It's purely based off emotion and how an individual feels

I think the answer being 'It's complicated' doesn't mean it's not scientific.

You want certainty, I'm sure Tony Robbins is available.

 

[Chief]

I think the answer being 'It's complicated' doesn't mean it's not scientific.

You want certainty, I'm sure Tony Robbins is available.

Shit have you seen that Munecat video on Tony Robbins? Brutal.

 

[Superstar swan]

I think the answer being 'It's complicated' doesn't mean it's not scientific.

You want certainty, I'm sure Tony Robbins is available.

How would one scientifically quantify the value of someone of libragender identity which is someone who is mostly agender but partly feels like another gender?

 

[Gethelred]

How would one scientifically quantify the value of someone of libragender identity which is someone who is mostly agender but partly feels like another gender?

By reminding you that there's a scientific basis for the hypothesis that gender is social in nature (as it has more to do with how society treats you than it does your biology) and that there's a reasonable amount of psychological research that implies the healthiest way to treat someone suffering gender dysphoria is to treat them as their chosen gender.

Now, leave me be. I'm trying to watch the cricket.

 

[Schneebly11]

I'm not the terms science and gender can be used in the same sentence any more. There is nothing scientific about the genders people identify as these days. It's purely based off emotion and how an individual feels

Here’s a scientific journal article regarding gender and neurobiology:

Neurobiology of gender identity and sexual orientation - PMC

Sexual identity and sexual orientation are independent components of a person’s sexual identity. These dimensions are most often in harmony with each other and with an individual’s genital sex, although not always. The present review discusses the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Have a read of it and it’s over 90 references.

The “feels” are more your opinions on the topic.

 

[Schneebly11]

Do you have to have a scientific basis to have a theme round at the footy?

Is the sport of football itself based in sound science?

 

[Superstar swan]

Do you have to have a scientific basis to have a theme round at the footy?

Is the sport of football itself based in sound science?

Referring to a comment that stated gender is a science and comes under human biology

 

[Schneebly11]

Referring to a comment that stated gender is a science and comes under human biology

I’ll paste the Wikipedia article on gender.

Gender - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Whilst Wikipedia is not an authoritative source, they reference over 200 journal articles, many peer reviewed, regarding scientific studies on gender.

There is plenty of science in many disciplines regarding sex and gender. It is not just “feels” from millennials.

I suggest you start reading about it, it’s not something to make fun of, there’s a lot of serious discussion that can be had in this topic.

 

[Schneebly11]

I’ve got a great idea to test a Pride round.

Have one round where every game is scheduled to be the biggest crowd drawing games of the year (Coll/Carl/Ess/Rich, the Derby, the Showdown).

Then make that round Pride round. Full on Mardi Gras before every game. Announce it widely that each game will be filled with glitter and rainbows and drag queens and dykes on bikes…..

Simply measure how many people turn up to each game. If crowds are significantly down then that’s a good sign that Pride is disliked by AFL crowds. But I’m 99% sure attendances for those games will be high as usual.

After Manly’s Pride jumper controversy their crowds in following matches were higher than previous rounds even though they finished in the bottom half of the table. Being pro Pride didn’t hurt their support

 

[Kwality]

The concept of sin and the way it's applied is absolutely harmful, PB.

Unless you believe in heaven/hell, sin is a genuine non event, a non sequitur even....

 

[ElectricG]

I’ve got a great idea to test a Pride round.

Have one round where every game is scheduled to be the biggest crowd drawing games of the year (Coll/Carl/Ess/Rich, the Derby, the Showdown).

Then make that round Pride round. Full on Mardi Gras before every game. Announce it widely that each game will be filled with glitter and rainbows and drag queens and dykes on bikes…..

Simply measure how many people turn up to each game. If crowds are significantly down then that’s a good sign that Pride is disliked by AFL crowds. But I’m 99% sure attendances for those games will be high as usual.

After Manly’s Pride jumper controversy their crowds in following matches were higher than previous rounds even though they finished in the bottom half of the table. Being pro Pride didn’t hurt their support

They should give you Gil’s job

 

[Gethelred]

Unless you believe in heaven/hell, sin is a genuine non event, a non sequitur even....

I mean, exactly?

 

[ExcitementMachine]

And gay men aren't masculine?

You come across as a masculine gay man.
My views on this are I'd be all for a pride round and don't have an issue with it.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

If we also have a Christian round then sure

 

[Ghost Patrol]

If we also have a Christian round then sure

Christians are included in Pride Round.

 

[Senor M]

If we also have a Christian round then sure

Isn’t that why we play a game on Good Friday?

 

[WA ROO]

Isn’t that why we play a game on Good Friday?

No
Originally it was so North could cash in and try to be relevant

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Sunday games are for the Christians as well.

 

[Schneebly11]

Sunday games are for the Christians as well.

Actually, if they’re following the Bible to the letter then according to the Book of Exodus 35:2 they should be put to death for not devoting their sabbath day to the Lord.

 

[morningbrown]

Anyone who says politics should stay out of sports immediately invalidates any argument moving forward. Sport has ALWAYS been political. And at the end of the day, treating queer people like proper human beings isn't political, it's called being a ****ing decent person you bigot.

If we also have a Christian round then sure

Awful lot of queer Christians out there who might feel a bit more appreciated with a Pride round.

 

[ElectricG]

Anyone who says politics should stay out of sports immediately invalidates any argument moving forward. Sport has ALWAYS been political. And at the end of the day, treating queer people like proper human beings isn't political, it's called being a ******* decent person you bigot.


Awful lot of queer Christians out there who might feel a bit more appreciated with a Pride round.

There have been a lot of moments throughout history where sport and politics meet, but this current focus on inclusion/representation/whatever is a relatively new phenomenon.

Are you saying that the current absence of a pride round = failing to treat queer people like proper human beings?

 

[Schneebly11]

Are you saying that the current absence of a pride round = failing to treat queer people like proper human beings?

Statistics tell us there definitely should be multiple same sex attracted AFL players. Have a think about why they aren’t coming out?

Pride may be a small step but it puts us on the right path to a future where an AFL player walks down the Brownlow red carpet with his husband or boyfriend and no one bats an eyelid.