Sick with #30 umpire anger

[Janus]

Nah, let him umpire our games. It will just grate him even more when we win regardless of his bias.

 

[Waspy79]

Shane McInerney umpired on Friday night
Shane McInerney umpired the 38-15 Hobart Super Rugby game
Shane McInerney umpired 119
Shane McInerney umpired Essendon-Port in R23 2011

The club specifically needs to request he doesn't umpire PAFC games.

I have always suspected designated cheats in AFL umpiring ranks, this in my mind confirms it, as I recall being furious with the umpiring after each of these games (in particular the Essendon game as I had $20 on us at 16/1!)

 

[b0ydman]

Wow, so used to the crows whinging about umpires every time they lose, never thought I'd see Port people carry on so much about umpires.
The game was not lost because of umpires, Geelong missed alot of easy shots, the 16 pt margin flattered us. Probably the "true" margin is closer to 35-40 pts. Geelong did deserve to win, take nothing away from that.
Jay got a soft free kick inside the 50 for a feather brush on his head, the ticky-touch decisions go to both sides.

****. Was I ever this miserable?

Lord I must have been unbearable

 

[Schulzenfest]

****. Was I ever this miserable?

Lord I must have been unbearable

Mate, that was you on a good day

 

[tribey]

I have always suspected designated cheats in AFL umpiring ranks, this in my mind confirms it, as I recall being furious with the umpiring after each of these games (in particular the Essendon game as I had $20 on us at 16/1!)

I had $100 @ 13.

Didnt lay off because we couldn't lose after Jay Schulz's goal to put us 34pts up with 12 mins of gametime left, could we?

"I disagree" - S. McInerney

 

[Waspy79]

I had $100 @ 13.

Didnt lay off because we couldn't lose after Jay Schulz's goal to put us 34pts up with 12 mins of gametime left, could we?

"I disagree" - S. McInerney

What happened to the options other than 'Like'? Would have been suitable here. I can't like this but I need to acknowledge it! Travesty.

 

[Sellyme]

I know it's convenient to think it, and in the heat of the moment we all say such things, but there is no AFL conspiracy to get Victorian teams into finals for financial gain. It doesn't happen.

Of course not, but if an umpire supported a Victorian team, the AFL wouldn't particularly mind the extra cash.

 

[Dobie G]

Police Officer
Bodyguard
Factory Line Workers
Athletes
Fighter Pilots
SAS Soldiers
Paramedics
Surgeons
Animal Handlers
Race Car Drivers

All are held accountable for their actions and may get the sack if too many mistakes are repeated.

Interesting.......
Police Officer
Bodyguard
Factory Line Workers
Athletes
Fighter Pilots
SAS Soldiers
Paramedics
Surgeons
Animal Handlers
Race Car Drivers

............All never make mistakes? .....all never use technology?.............all make decisions which are not reversible?...........All make split second decisions?....hmmmmm let's think about that.

 

[Sellyme]

Interesting.......
Police Officer
Bodyguard
Factory Line Workers
Athletes
Fighter Pilots
SAS Soldiers
Paramedics
Surgeons
Animal Handlers
Race Car Drivers

............All never make mistakes? .....all never use technology?.............all make decisions which are not reversible?...........All make split second decisions?....hmmmmm let's think about that.

How are AFL umpires' decisions not reversible after the consultation of technological aid?

Also, yes, all of them make split second decisions, all of them make decisions that are not reversible (except possibly factory workers), and none of them are part-time workers like AFL umpires are. AFL umpires are literally unprofessional. It is not their profession. It is part-time.

Also, I think your period key might be broken. Ellipses have just three, not 12, 5, 13, 11, or 4. Holding down the . key for an arbitrary length of time is just aesthetically ugly, and gives a bad impression.

 

[Dobie G]

How are AFL umpires' decisions not reversible after the consultation of technological aid?

Also, yes, all of them make split second decisions, all of them make decisions that are not reversible (except possibly factory workers), and none of them are part-time workers like AFL umpires are. AFL umpires are literally unprofessional. It is not their profession. It is part-time.

Also, I think your period key might be broken. Ellipses have just three, not 12, 5, 13, 11, or 4. Holding down the . key for an arbitrary length of time is just aesthetically ugly, and gives a bad impression.

An AFL umpire is a professional occupation, despite what many may think, being part time doesn't change that. Plenty of part time professionals around.
Querying whether a score is correct or not, is the only technological aid they use for making an actual decision in the field of play, 99% of decisions are split second & not reversible.

Think carefully about the occupations listed-most fall down on one or more of
split second to make a decision, use technology or can reverse their decisions.

Police Officer-technology
Bodyguard-takes more than a split second for the brain signals to get going
Factory Line Workers-I've worked in factory, certainly not split second
Athletes-some, what about marathon runners etc-not split second
Fighter Pilots-use technology
SAS Soldiers-use technology
Paramedics-use technology
Surgeons-use technology
Animal Handlers-ok maybe, are umpires also animal handlers?
Race Car Drivers-use technology

 

[Triple E]

When you say 'use technology', do you just means using technology in general, or using technology to make decisions?

 

[Dobie G]

When you say 'use technology', do you just means using technology in general, or using technology to make decisions?

It's getting off topic-my point is umpires have a very difficult job making split second, irreversible decisions without the use of technology (except for scores), which is more demanding and difficult than most other occupations. Easy to be arm chair critics with video replays, so they need to be cut some slack.

 

[Canoogs]

An AFL umpire is a professional occupation, despite what many may think, being part time doesn't change that. Plenty of part time professionals around.
Querying whether a score is correct or not, is the only technological aid they use for making an actual decision in the field of play, 99% of decisions are split second & not reversible.

Think carefully about the occupations listed-most fall down on one or more of
split second to make a decision, use technology or can reverse their decisions.

Police Officer-technology
Bodyguard-takes more than a split second for the brain signals to get going
Factory Line Workers-I've worked in factory, certainly not split second
Athletes-some, what about marathon runners etc-not split second
Fighter Pilots-use technology
SAS Soldiers-use technology
Paramedics-use technology
Surgeons-use technology
Animal Handlers-ok maybe, are umpires also animal handlers?
Race Car Drivers-use technology

It depends on your definition of professional. To some, a factory work is not a professional, but it is however, a profession. But umpiring is definitely not an occupation.

The vast majority of umpires do not earn enough money to live off, and so it is not an occupation at all. The AFL needs to salary their umpires, and provide way better facilities to its umpires.

SA has around a dozen AFL-listed umpires, and given how much cash the AFL gets from broadcast deals, they should have a similar level of facilities that the clubs have, but they most certainly don't.

 

[LeoMessi]

It's getting off topic-my point is umpires have a very difficult job making split second, irreversible decisions without the use of technology (except for scores), which is more demanding and difficult than most other occupations. Easy to be arm chair critics with video replays, so they need to be cut some slack.

Agreed. Except on this douches case where all these split-second decision he makes tends to be against us. Not saying that we lost because of umpiring but some of his decisions were shocking. He was the same umpire when we played against North earlier in the year. We all know he got the 3 votes for North in that game.

 

[Dobie G]

It depends on your definition of professional. To some, a factory work is not a professional, but it is however, a profession. But umpiring is definitely not an occupation.

The vast majority of umpires do not earn enough money to live off, and so it is not an occupation at all. The AFL needs to salary their umpires, and provide way better facilities to its umpires.

SA has around a dozen AFL-listed umpires, and given how much cash the AFL gets from broadcast deals, they should have a similar level of facilities that the clubs have, but they most certainly don't.

I disagree, an occupation is a description of the way someone spends time.
(from the oxford dictionary)

 

[Canoogs]

I disagree, an occupation is a description of the way someone spends time.
(from the oxford dictionary)

AFL Umpires Association disagrees with you!

http://aflua.com.au/portfolio_category/field-umpire/

 

[Dobie G]

AFL Umpires Association disagrees with you!

http://aflua.com.au/portfolio_category/field-umpire/

Glad the somebody else referred to that website-saw it before but thought it would be better if someone bought it up.
Respect Integrity Fairness Trust

That's their motto

Canoogs-where does it say umpiring is not an occupation , can't find it readily?

 

[Canoogs]

Glad the somebody else referred to that website-saw it before but thought it would be better if someone bought it up.
Respect Integrity Fairness Trust

That's their motto

Canoogs-where does it say umpiring is not an occupation , can't find it readily?

Each umpire has occupation listed next to their penpic with their day-job.

 

[Dobie G]

Each umpire has occupation listed next to their penpic with their day-job.

Nothing to stop you from having more than one occupation. Is there something there that says umpiring is not an occupation?

 

[dalt]

An AFL umpire is a professional occupation, despite what many may think, being part time doesn't change that. Plenty of part time professionals around.
Querying whether a score is correct or not, is the only technological aid they use for making an actual decision in the field of play, 99% of decisions are split second & not reversible.

Think carefully about the occupations listed-most fall down on one or more of
split second to make a decision, use technology or can reverse their decisions.

Police Officer-technology
Bodyguard-takes more than a split second for the brain signals to get going
Factory Line Workers-I've worked in factory, certainly not split second
Athletes-some, what about marathon runners etc-not split second
Fighter Pilots-use technology
SAS Soldiers-use technology
Paramedics-use technology
Surgeons-use technology
Animal Handlers-ok maybe, are umpires also animal handlers?
Race Car Drivers-use technology

Police officer - someone you are chasing drives full speed at you with a car (split second decision and not reversible)

Bodyguard - a person lunges towards someone and you are not sure if they have accidentally fallen or intending to harm (split second decision and not reversible)

Factory Line Worker - you catch a glimpse of a product that looks faulty at the end of the conveyor belt, but when you blink again it looks fine (split second decision and often not reversible)

Athlelte - you have the ball but are not sure if you should kick the goal or pass it to your team mate (split second decision and not reversible)

Fighter Pilot - you are just about out of fuel but once you approach the aircraft carrier, you notice your aircraft is too high to make a safe landing (split second decision and not reversible)

SAS Soldier - someone engages you on close quarter combat (split second decision and not reversible)

Paramedic - a person in a car crash has their arm trapped and you see petrol and oil spilling on the ground next to an open fire (split second decision and not reversible)

Surgeon - a patient is suddenly bleeding profusely and you need to take a quick route of action based on your judgement (split second decision and not reversible)

Animal Handler - no comment

Race Car Driver - as you proceed to overtake, the car ahead suddenly closes the gap on you (split second decision and not reversable)



I'm not sure what you meant by using technology, but an umpire uses a microphone, runners, and a whistle if that counts!

 

[dalt]

Nothing to stop you from having more than one occupation. Is there something there that says umpiring is not an occupation?

According to most dictionaries, someone's occupation is their "main" line of work.

 

[Dobie G]

Police officer - someone you are chasing drives full speed at you with a car (split second decision and not reversible)

Bodyguard - a person lunges towards someone and you are not sure if they have accidentally fallen or intending to harm (split second decision and not reversible)

Factory Line Worker - you catch a glimpse of a product that looks faulty at the end of the conveyor belt, but when you blink again it looks fine (split second decision and often not reversible)

Athlelte - you have the ball but are not sure if you should kick the goal or pass it to your team mate (split second decision and not reversible)

Fighter Pilot - you are just about out of fuel but once you approach the aircraft carrier, you notice your aircraft is too high to make a safe landing (split second decision and not reversible)

SAS Soldier - someone engages you on close quarter combat (split second decision and not reversible)

Paramedic - a person in a car crash has their arm trapped and you see petrol and oil spilling on the ground next to an open fire (split second decision and not reversible)

Surgeon - a patient is suddenly bleeding profusely and you need to take a quick route of action based on your judgement (split second decision and not reversible)

Animal Handler - no comment

Race Car Driver - as you proceed to overtake, the car ahead suddenly closes the gap on you (split second decision and not reversable)



I'm not sure what you meant by using technology, but an umpire uses a microphone, runners, and a whistle if that counts!

The microphone on an umpire is for the media not for carrying out their duties.

You can give a few instances where split second decisions are required for many jobs, however the footy umpire has to make split second decisions all the time, that is the difference.
You have given a few examples of split second decisions for some jobs now & then but it is not constant, full on & irrevisible like an umpire or referee.

I've worked in a factory, the only split second decision was whether to get out bed to go to work or to go back to sleep.

 

[dalt]

The microphone on an umpire is for the media not for carrying out their duties.

You can give a few instances where split second decisions are required for many jobs, however the footy umpire has to make split second decisions all the time, that is the difference.
You have given a few examples of split second decisions for some jobs now & then but it is not constant, full on & irrevisible like an umpire or referee.

I've worked in a factory, the only split second decision was whether to get out bed to go to work or to go back to sleep.

To be honest, I'd rather make a few dozen umpiring decisions than having to go through any one of those split second decisions listed above.

An umpire observes a game. If he sees a rule being broken he makes a decision. If he is not 100% sure, he puts the whistle away. That's all there is to it - not as complicated as you make it out to be.

btw - broadcasting to the media is part of an AFL umpires job.

 

[Dobie G]

To be honest, I'd rather make a few dozen umpiring decisions than having to go through any one of those split second decisions listed above.

An umpire observes a game. If he sees a rule being broken he makes a decision. If he is not 100% sure, he puts the whistle away. That's all there is to it - not as complicated as you make it out to be.

btw - broadcasting to the media is part of an AFL umpires job.

An umpire's performance is very heavily scrutinised by the umpires association after each match, media and everyone else who has an interest in football. If the umpire misses something he's not doing his job properly.

Umpiring is nowhere as easy as you make it if you look into it. Try it when you watch a game for all 4 quarters and try to make all the decisions an umpire does.

There is no use of technology for an umpire to make a decision except for the few times when there's a video review request.

 

[*PAF]

I've kept out of this thread but will respond to this post.

An umpire's performance is very heavily scrutinised by the umpires association after each match, media and everyone else who has an interest in football. If the umpire misses something he's not doing his job properly.
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Perhaps that is the problem.
The best umpired games are the ones where the umpire puts the whistle away for anything but the obvious decisions.
Instead of reviewing things they missed perhaps they should review how many times they blew the whistle in a 50-50 contest.
Is it 50-50? Play on.
Did the player drag the ball in and it got stuck? Free
Did the player take 3 or 4 steps before he got caught and then the ball got stuck in a pack? Free
None of the above? Ball up.
Did both ruckmen have arms around each other? Play on.

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Umpiring is nowhere as easy as you make it if you look into it. Try it when you watch a game for all 4 quarters and try to make all the decisions an umpire does.
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It should be easier than they make it out to be. Pay the obvious ones and leave everything else alone.
As a general rule of thumb, the fewer the frees the better the game.