Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition

[Rowan18]

Points go to Cuzz09

How good was the pitch invasion at the end? Or maybe they were allowed on at the end of games in QLD in the 90s.

I was perplexed when it had static after the goal until I remembered you had to edit out the ads when recording on tape.

 

[Bacchus]

Quote from Paul Fitzpatrick

“While the injury list has clearly been a major factor in our battles this season, with the majority of those being collision injuries, we have experts helping us look into the situation to see whether there are specific reasons behind a number of the soft tissue injuries that have occurred.”

Well the club finally gives us something. Will they say anything about the findings is the next question?

I don’t care either way whether it is just pure bad luck or there is an issue but I do wish the club would give a little more information.

I must admit to being frustrated and annoyed with Fitzpatrick’s response. When he refers to ‘collision injuries’, it is code for bad luck, part of the game, outside of our control.

Well, we have been suffering from bad luck for the past three years with no end in sight. Will the wheel turn next year or the year after or some indefinite time in the future? Do we cross our fingers hard and hope for better ‘luck’?
Has any other team had such an extended period of bad luck? Why not? Do we call the witch doctors in to lift the curse?

Perhaps this is merely a public relations statement, and they are looking more deeply behind closed doors. But if their answer is that the majority of the injury crisis is ‘bad luck’ and we just have to wait and hope that we get better ‘luck’ sometime in the future then the club is going nowhere fast.

 

[Keys]

Keys

Gaff’s contract in 2018 was 2 years with a 4 year option - offered at a time when he was all but ready to sign a long term deal with North. (We would have received pick 20 as FA compo). He exercised his option in 2020 and as I posted was top 3 in the B&F in 2020 and 2021. Hardly out of form

Are you saying Gaff is hardy out of form, that implies he’s output is equal to what we are paying him?

I agree with most of that post btw but as I posted before it’s the collective of those contracts I have a problem with.

We didn’t look at it subjectively and think “what happens if 3 or 4 of these contracts bite us on the ass”. Let alone 6/7 like it has this year.

I love your work dude, and it’s nice to be slapped down by the best hahaha.

As Migs said I was referring to Gaff’s form at the time of the extension not his current form

As to the long term contracts as a collective being problematic I guess that’s a risk but one they wouldn’t quite have foreseen as blowing up in their face as much as it has. Part of having a number of players becoming free agents around the same time

If some of those draft picks after 2018 say Foley and XON in another universe are top 30 players in the comp we wouldn’t have had enough capital to keep them. Even if we didn’t pay overs for Kelly.

It was a chips in call that our club got swindled in to by one and only Mr Young.

One thing we’ve done fairly well as a club is manage the salary cap without losing a player because we couldn’t afford to pay him or having to salary dump a player

Nor have we missed out on a player because we couldn’t afford to pay him that we know of

 

[KERRPOW]

2020 was the start of the pandemic and the players weren't even told how long they'd be away for. This time they could easily bring their families along the Melb for 2 weeks if they really wanted to.

Nah, theyd.prefer to come back home then go back to vic

 

[Farang83150]

It's strapped up at training now so can't be absolutely nothing wrong with it

Light strapping's typical for a big fwd though isn't it

 

[WCE_phil]

Light strapping's typical for a big fwd though isn't it

He wasn't strapped before the incident on the weekend but had identical strapping to training afterwards.

 

[Obeanie1]

I must admit to being frustrated and annoyed with Fitzpatrick’s response. When he refers to ‘collision injuries’, it is code for bad luck, part of the game, outside of our control.

Well, we have been suffering from bad luck for the past three years with no end in sight. Will the wheel turn next year or the year after or some indefinite time in the future? Do we cross our fingers hard and hope for better ‘luck’?
Has any other team had such an extended period of bad luck? Why not? Do we call the witch doctors in to lift the curse?

Perhaps this is merely a public relations statement, and they are looking more deeply behind closed doors. But if their answer is that the majority of the injury crisis is ‘bad luck’ and we just have to wait and hope that we get better ‘luck’ sometime in the future then the club is going nowhere fast.

It will be a contribution of several factors.

In 2019 and 2020 we backed off. Players were not at AFL standards fitness wise. Getting older and started picking up more and more soft tissue injuries. They create scar tissue and once there its easier to reinjure in areas now not 100%.

Throw in travel.

Harder grounds in WA.

Younger players getting played earlier than preferred.

It looks like a downward spiral that wont get magically fixed quickly with a new S&C team. Its a young mans game and we have too many players with 700,000 km on the odometer spluttering along.

 

[ziad]

It will be a contribution of several factors.

In 2019 and 2020 we backed off. Players were not at AFL standards fitness wise. Getting older and started picking up more and more soft tissue injuries. They create scar tissue and once there its easier to reinjure in areas now not 100%.

Throw in travel.

Harder grounds in WA.

Younger players getting played earlier than preferred.

It looks like a downward spiral that wont get magically fixed quickly with a new S&C team. Its a young mans game and we have too many players with 700,000 km on the odometer spluttering along.

Peer reviewed research of the data show the the biggest risk factor for hamstring injuries, is having had a previous hamstring injury. Scar tissue is a concern for sure.

The AFL mouth pieces regularly tell us how brilliant their mefdical staff are but the are not world class by far and are generally resistant to change. The medical world in WA and SA for example are insular, to an extent xenophobic and generally fall well below that available in NSW and Vic.

 

[Trouto]

Hurn also injured, so 19 players on the injury list.

This is the either the greatest tank of all time or the most incompetent list and fitness management of all time.

 

[Cuzz09]

After losing to the bloody Sydney Swans to open our season, only beating Richmond by 1 point and then drawing with Brisbane (unthinkable), I was convinced there would never be a premiership. The dream was over.

same I think we lost to Fitzroy the week after too.

Things looked horrid.

Nek minnit... we actually went 4 wins, 1 loss for the whole rest of the season including the GF

Had a nice pattern going

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[Bacchus]

It will be a contribution of several factors.

In 2019 and 2020 we backed off. Players were not at AFL standards fitness wise. Getting older and started picking up more and more soft tissue injuries. They create scar tissue and once there its easier to reinjure in areas now not 100%.

Throw in travel.

Harder grounds in WA.

Younger players getting played earlier than preferred.

It looks like a downward spiral that wont get magically fixed quickly with a new S&C team. Its a young mans game and we have too many players with 700,000 km on the odometer spluttering along.

Yes, I agree with most of the points you made above. Although I think in 2019 we were very competitive until a soft loss to an average Hawthorn team at Optus and the Rioli fiasco, in particular, derailed the season.

After that it was the Covid hub and injuries and things went south from there.

It is poor list management and a number of other factors but I don’t like the way Fitzpatrick just seems to be trotting out a party line without even acknowledging that we have a player availability crisis and performance level at an unprecedented low level. We even have first and second year players falling down like flies with hamstring and ankle injuries.

 

[ziad]

Yes, I agree with most of the points you made above. Although I think in 2019 we were very competitive until a soft loss to an average Hawthorn team at Optus and the Rioli fiasco, in particular, derailed the season.

After that it was the Covid hub and injuries and things went south from there.

It is poor list management and a number of other factors but I don’t like the way Fitzpatrick just seems to be trotting out a party line without even acknowledging that we have a player availability crisis and performance level at an unprecedented low level. We even have first and second year players falling down like flies with hamstring and ankle injuries.

I dont think we need to be told that.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Astounding that we had 18 players mentioned in the SGOGHCIU report on Tuesday and we’ve still got a player that’ll be omitted through injury today that wasn’t on there.

 

[Chris_6678]

Mitchell Woodcock

@Mitch_Woodcock
·
6s

There will be no Shannon Hurn

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Shannon Hurn

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37

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187cm

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95kg

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20.9

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15.7

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5.2

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1.6

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389.5

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16.1

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12.1

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4.0

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5.3

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1.0

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271.6

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19.0

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11.6

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7.4

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6.8

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1.6

4star

for West Coast tomorrow night, but in good news Jeremy McGovern

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Jeremy Mcgovern

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32

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197cm

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97kg

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14.7

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10.1

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4.6

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6.8

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1.5

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238.7

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12.4

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8.6

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3.8

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6.4

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2.0

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183.4

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11.0

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7.2

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1.4

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's recovery from a hamstring injury is ahead of schedule and he could be back before the bye.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Astounding that we had 18 players mentioned in the SGOGHCIU report on Tuesday and we’ve still got a player that’ll be omitted through injury today that wasn’t on there.

If you're referring to Hurn, Ryan Daniels was onto to this about an hour after the 'official' injury list came out.

Which should tell you both where the club is (leaking like a sieve) and where Hurn's career is at (2 weeks off, 2 games back, injured again).

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Mitchell Woodcock
@Mitch_Woodcock
·
6s

There will be no Shannon Hurn for West Coast tomorrow night, but in good news Jeremy McGovern's recovery from a hamstring injury is ahead of schedule and he could be back before the bye.

In completely unrelated news McGovern is currently negotiating a new contract.

 

[eagleskickass]

Mitchell Woodcock
@Mitch_Woodcock
·
6s

There will be no Shannon Hurn for West Coast tomorrow night, but in good news Jeremy McGovern's recovery from a hamstring injury is ahead of schedule and he could be back before the bye.

Smart, come back before the bye, get his next injury out the way so he can use the bye for recovery. I see what they're doing!

 

[DanWCE]

I hope Simmo hasn't spoken out of turn or without the correct information in front of him. Surely it will be more like Gov available for WAFL minutes around the bye.

What he did say is Gov is training so "maybe around the bye or before the bye". When probed further he said "think that was around the plan (date to return).. but hasn't been totally locked away, so whether these guys need to play WAFL..." and continued onto their history of bringing back underdone players into a league of fit teams and being exposed.

It's 30 days until our R13 game before our R14 bye. Our bye coincides with our WAFL bye. I would expect Gov to be currently flying through a 4-week mini pre-season if he was any chance of coming back for even WAFL minutes that align with our last match before the bye.

Otherwise R15 makes much more sense and aligns with the injury list forecast of being 6-7 weeks away. 44 days versus 30.

I expect sharpening of pitch forks here and in the media when he doesn't pull on the boots in 4 rounds time.

 

[ioppolo]

Shannon Hurn

25

Shannon Hurn

Age

37

Ht

187cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

15.7

5star

HB

5.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

389.5

5star

D

16.1

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

271.6

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

going the Darren Glass

Darren Glass

Age

43

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.6

2star

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2.6

1star

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3.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

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1.0

3star

route apparently. At least the great man retired randomly in round 8 or 9 when he couldn't recover.

 

[RookiePick]

Pulling the pin part way into a season seems to have become a Glassy speciality

 

[Nuffington Post]

Quote from Paul Fitzpatrick

“While the injury list has clearly been a major factor in our battles this season, with the majority of those being collision injuries, we have experts helping us look into the situation to see whether there are specific reasons behind a number of the soft tissue injuries that have occurred.”

Well the club finally gives us something. Will they say anything about the findings is the next question?

I don’t care either way whether it is just pure bad luck or there is an issue but I do wish the club would give a little more information.

Remember when Simmo said they aren’t doing an independent review of the injury situation a couple of weeks ago…

 

[ziad]

Remember when Simmo said they aren’t doing an independent review of the injury situation a couple of weeks ago…

When a company hires people to review a matter it isn't independent necessarily.

 

[DanWCE]

Remember when Simmo said they aren’t doing an independent review of the injury situation a couple of weeks ago…

Something he reiterated in his press conference yesterday

 

[Rowan18]

Something he reiterated in his press conference yesterday

Which supports my suspicion that the "experts" that Fitzgerald refers to in his email are our internal staff. He doesn't say it's an external review, just that experts are looking into the cause. This aligns with what Simmo said, that there is no external review and the S&C staff are tracking each injury and looking to see if there is a root cause that can be eliminated.

 

[DanWCE]

Which supports my suspicion that the "experts" that Fitzgerald refers to in his email are our internal staff. He doesn't say it's an external review, just that experts are looking into the cause. This aligns with what Simmo said, that there is no external review and the S&C staff are tracking each injury and looking to see if there is a root cause that can be eliminated.

He did say that if you have a cluster of hammy injuries you'll go talk to a professional in that injury, so in that capacity I think we're engaging consultation outside the footy club but I wouldn't call it an external review by any means. He suggested it is common and all clubs do it.

No different to Bennell travelling the world to get his calves right but again that's not an external review.