So realistically.... Who can slide to pick 28?

[Saintly Viewed]

Hayward, Ridley and Cox. But I'm prepared for a bloke that wasn't rated at all to be called out and everyone will be like wtf who is that?

And we can call him sir or sire for being the future that we don't see

 

[sr36]

For those interested, pick 28 since 2000

2000 - Steven Greene (Hawthorn)
2001 - Mark Powell (Sydney)
2002 - Tristan Cartledge (Essendon)
2003 - Jay Nash (Essendon)
2004 - Chad Gibson (Adelaide)
2005 - Matt Riggio (North)
2006 - Chris Dawes (Collingwood)
2007 - Marlon Motlop (Port)
2008 - Shaun McKernan (Adelaide)
2009 - Mitch Duncan (Geelong)
2010 - Ryan Lester (Brisbane)
2011 - Fraser McInnes (West Coast)
2012 - Tim O'Brien (Hawthorn)
2013 - Lewis Taylor (Brisbane)
2014 - Dillon Viojo- Rainbow (Carlton)
2015 - Luke Partington (West Coast)

Those bemoaning what we paid for WHE need to take a look at this list. Especially considering I think we'll make finals next year and thus have a slightly worse second rounder.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I hate it when people answer a question with another question and dont even answer the original question!

Good question though

That's questionable.
No answer from me

 

[7ft Cox]

For those interested, pick 28 since 2000

2000 - Steven Greene (Hawthorn)
2001 - Mark Powell (Sydney)
2002 - Tristan Cartledge (Essendon)
2003 - Jay Nash (Essendon)
2004 - Chad Gibson (Adelaide)
2005 - Matt Riggio (North)
2006 - Chris Dawes (Collingwood)
2007 - Marlon Motlop (Port)
2008 - Shaun McKernan (Adelaide)
2009 - Mitch Duncan (Geelong)
2010 - Ryan Lester (Brisbane)
2011 - Fraser McInnes (West Coast)
2012 - Tim O'Brien (Hawthorn)
2013 - Lewis Taylor (Brisbane)
2014 - Dillon Viojo- Rainbow (Carlton)
2015 - Luke Partington (West Coast)

And people worry about us trading a 2nd rounder for WHE

 

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Happy to take on board any suggestions as to how to make that spreadsheet better by the way.

 

[10571z]

Brown will get bid on around the 15 -22 to make us use the pick. Dogs did it with Moore?

Or maybe the dogs wanted Moore as he was a top KPP and then they went out and spent a boat load getting one after?

 

[Matt_352]

brennan Cox please

 

[Matt_352]

If we can bookend Brown and Daicos with Brennan Cox and Mitch McCarthy I'll do cartwheels

 

[noideaatall]

I have noideaatall
Preferably a tall but your first pick should ALWAYS be best available.

I have tabs on that term, thankyou!

Why should your first pick be the best available? What advantage does this give? It seems to me clubs rarely get a fair return on their investment from the draft. At least thats what other clubs whinge about all the time and that certainly seems to describe our recent trade period, Witts in particular. So why would the best available pick be the right one when it means having to trade out that pick or others on your list to get a balanced team? Take us, for example. What if a slow, poor kick but big bodied mid is the best available at our pick. Do we pick that player, knowing it will be likely two years before they get a game, three years before regular best 22 or do we pick the defender a bit below their level but likely to get a game next year?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I have tabs on that term, thankyou!

Why should your first pick be the best available? What advantage does this give? It seems to me clubs rarely get a fair return on their investment from the draft. At least thats what other clubs whinge about all the time and that certainly seems to describe our recent trade period, Witts in particular. So why would the best available pick be the right one when it means having to trade out that pick or others on your list to get a balanced team? Take us, for example. What if a slow, poor kick but big bodied mid is the best available at our pick. Do we pick that player, knowing it will be likely two years before they get a game, three years before regular best 22 or do we pick the defender a bit below their level but likely to get a game next year?

You pick best available meaning the player most likely to have a long successful career. If you have too many of that type you worry about those problems next year. Having too many quality players with trade value is a good problem. It can help you land a player you actually need in subsequent trade periods. Its a far better option than taking a player you need position wise if there is a lack of confidence that he will be good enough in the long run.

Later in the draft where its more of a lottery there is less to lose from drafting for need. So you take the punt then.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Or maybe the dogs wanted Moore as he was a top KPP and then they went out and spent a boat load getting one after?

Well said except for the word maybe.

That word was superflous.

And the question mark.

Facts dont need question marks.

 

[cakewalk06]

Jonty Scharenberg?

yes yes i know he's not a ruckman or a key position player but if we do draft one of those they are going to take a few years to develop and I want results now! Plus it's an awesome name, he was considered a top 10 pick a while back and the brothers Scharenberg could be carving it up for the Pies for the next decade...
may well be gone by 28 though

 

[Matt_352]

Jonty Scharenberg?

yes yes i know he's not a ruckman or a key position player but if we do draft one of those they are going to take a few years to develop and I want results now! Plus it's an awesome name, he was considered a top 10 pick a while back and the brothers Scharenberg could be carving it up for the Pies for the next decade...
may well be gone by 28 though

We need inside mids like a hole in the head

 

[cakewalk06]

We need inside mids like a hole in the head

true but i think Jonty might have a bit of versatility... suspect the adelaide clubs might pounce anyway.

 

[neilk]

Hayward, Ridley and Cox. But I'm prepared for a bloke that wasn't rated at all to be called out and everyone will be like wtf who is that?

Sier-style.

 

[sr36]

Later in the draft where its more of a lottery there is less to lose from drafting for need. So you take the punt then.

I'd actually argue the other way round. Early in the draft there's a range of guys who play different roles who are a good chance of having solid careers. Therefroe picking for needs isn't unreasonable. Later in the draft, the chance of getting a guy who's going to sustain an AFL career is much less likely, therefore you don't want to limit your choices even further by only selecting from one or two player types.

Ultimately though, at each pick, I think clubs should pick the guy most likely to contribute to the team. For us at the moment, that's unlikely to be an inside mid as we have a pretty big queue there.

 

[DrDavoren]

For those interested, pick 28 since 2000

2000 - Steven Greene (Hawthorn)
2001 - Mark Powell (Sydney)
2002 - Tristan Cartledge (Essendon)
2003 - Jay Nash (Essendon)
2004 - Chad Gibson (Adelaide)
2005 - Matt Riggio (North)
2006 - Chris Dawes (Collingwood)
2007 - Marlon Motlop (Port)
2008 - Shaun McKernan (Adelaide)
2009 - Mitch Duncan (Geelong)
2010 - Ryan Lester (Brisbane)
2011 - Fraser McInnes (West Coast)
2012 - Tim O'Brien (Hawthorn)
2013 - Lewis Taylor (Brisbane)
2014 - Dillon Viojo- Rainbow (Carlton)
2015 - Luke Partington (West Coast)

Definitely some hit and miss going on there more misses too, hope we break the trend.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Brown will get bid on around the 15 -22 to make us use the pick. Dogs did it with Moore?

They can have him if he gets selected in that range.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Definitely some hit and miss going on there more misses too, hope we break the trend.

Brown will break that trend.

 

[THATSGOLD]

They can have him if he gets selected in that range.

Haha yeh right. No way we are passing on him at 28.

 

[manicmagpie]

That's not how the bidding system works - if any bid comes in prior to pick 28 (as the draft order currently stands) then we'll have to use pick 28 if we're going to match it.

Yes, completely correct, you always have to start by using your next pick. You get a pick back if you have leftover points. We have to hope Callum goes after Pick 28 to maximise our draft.

Won't our pick 28 get pushed back a few places (by Academy nominations, with early bids)?
Will finish up around pick 32 ?

There could be 6 possible academy picks before 28 but I reckon at least 4 of those will have to be paid for with picks that are also before 28, so they will end up mostly cancelling out. Hopefully we shouldn't lose more than 2 spots.

 

[Old Spice]

 

[noideaatall]

You pick best available meaning the player most likely to have a long successful career. If you have too many of that type you worry about those problems next year. Having too many quality players with trade value is a good problem. It can help you land a player you actually need in subsequent trade periods. Its a far better option than taking a player you need position wise if there is a lack of confidence that he will be good enough in the long run.
Later in the draft where its more of a lottery there is less to lose from drafting for need. So you take the punt then.

Thanks for giving me the theory behind that belief. It makes sense for me up until the point where you talk about trade value. Just seems like the trade value of players is lower than what it should be.

For example, am I correct in saying we paid more for Aish than we traded Witts for? If so, that does not make sense. We spent years on developing Witts, he is without doubt a potential solid AFL ruckman with a decent chance to be top quality. In return we got bugger all. Maybe I have answered my own question. Maybe the club is going for slow, average kicking inside mids because they develop fastest and so represent the best trade value.

I get the point about taking a player you are more confident will make it long term. Still, if you are talking about picks in the first round surely you are confident all of them will make it?

 

[10571z]

I don't follow the draft much but if neither brown or daicos had a famous dad where would there realistic draft position be?

 

[Bay Pie]

Not sure what happened to Harrison Macreadie ?I'm sure he was rated a potential top 10 pick last year. Fills a need if deemed best available. Will rile GWS a tad more if we bid on him.