St Kilda Crowd today- ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!

[MarkT]

Read this again very, very slowly and break it down into small pieces:

Nathan Buckley effectively told the Bears who wouldn't play for them and instead of letting him enter the draft, the Bears agreed to let him go to the club of his choice, Collingwood. The Bears got little in return. Similar 'bully-boy' tactics saw Richmond persuade Fitzroy to part with Michael Gale, Paul Broderick and Mathew Dundas in exchange for Richmond skipper Jeff Hogg. Richmond won that exchange.

It doesn't seem like a very good business deal that Brisbane arranged now was it? It also appears that the author of the article was under the same impression as the rest of the footballing world that Collingwood employed "bully-boy" tactics behind the scenes to broker the deal? If he had re-entered the draft after his year at the Bears, Collingwood would NOT have had the chance to draft him?

Look that is a slanted article. Even the Richmond deal is BS. Fitzroy wanted Hogg and traded players to get him. Buckley wasn’t even part of the normal draft. He was allocated to Brisbane under their zone concessions. He clearly didn’t want to play for them – as opposed to leaving for a premiership! He negotiated his exit deal. Smart work. Brisbane got two nominated players outside a named top 10 plus the clubs first round draft pick. They got Collingwood’s premiership CHF and a bloke that was on target to win the Norm Smith Medal until he got knocked out by TD. They also got pick 12 which got them one of the Scott’s. This was a price worked out for an unproven player at AFL level. What bully boy tactics did Collingwood employ? The trade price was in his contract. Collingwood named their top 10.

BUT none of that is draft tampering which is what you claimed.

 

[Beckers]

BUT none of that is draft tampering which is what you claimed.

I actually claimed the Chalmers issue was draft tampering but insinuated that the Buckley deal contained some suspiction(even before he ended up at Brisbane). I don't change my opinion of that one bit and if you continue to claim that the Buckley deal was totally above board, you are kidding yourself!

 

[SAYNTS.A1]

Someone once told me that it was infact a Collingwood supporter that invented booing?!?!?! many, many years ago.

 

[MarkT]

I questioned the draft tampering acusation re Buckley (“his number 1 crime” was the acqusation) and you said in response to my post:

YES Draft Tampering....Collingwood were famous for it in the early 90's. What ever happened to that champion Chalmers (i think his name was)

Then you made a post re that article etc etc. and asked for an apology from me. I said their were issues with Chalmers and Collingwood were penalised from the outset.

Do you now say Buckley was not guilty of draft tampering? What exactly did you want me to apologise for?

 

[Joffaboy]

Collingwoods evidence. Some bloke spouting uncorroborated and unsupported evidence that Saints fans are racist and racially discriminated against Nicky Winmar.

Nothing the Saints crowd say surpises me. I've heard Saints racially villifying Nick Winmar at Moorrabin back in the early 90's, at a Geelong game. I went to see Plugger and Ablett play, two of my alltime favourites. Seeing Winmar, with his classically perfect technique, awas entirely a bonus. I was really horrified that fans could racially abuse their own: I hate it when anyone does it and despite the stereotypes, I heard it only once or twice at Victoria Park.

St.Kilda's evidence

You be the judge

 

[doppleganger]

no idea why this thread was started, buckley cops it week in week out, the saints game was no different

the booing was right thru the entire the game

a second quarter incident with maguire seemed to anger the saints, buckley sucked in maguire who pushed him in the face & bucks got a free kick.........unsure why the abuse wasn't directed at the umpire, but it is N.Buckley so i suppose that explains it!

then in the last quarter, right in front of the members wing, buckley takes a mark, kicks the ball forward for it to be marked by a st.kilda player(boooos echo around the ground)...st.kilda player then kicks the ball forward only to have it marked by buckley...buckley shows the saints fans the ball which they rightly dont like and then buckley kicks it to x.clarke.........St.Kilda fans go absolutely berserk, the entire 1st level members wing goes up in a big celebration, almost comparable to when banger drilled thru a goal on the run!

it was actually good to watch i thought

if people actually think that the champions take this stuff to heart they are kidding themselves

also re the richmond incident, newman the player whom broke his leg said there was nothing in it regarding the pies fans

it was T.Wallace who was sitting in his coaches box who made the claim......i thought that the coaches box was soundproofed anyway??

 

[Beckers]

Do you now say Buckley was not guilty of draft tampering? What exactly did you want me to apologise for?

your earlier quote:
"The draft was not tampered with. The club with the first pick drafted the best player and he went and played for them"

Your entire arguement was incorrect and you are mincing words to suit your own arguements(are you Collingwood's lawyer?). You claim that there was no tampering and he went to the club that drafted him. NO he didn't, Brisbane, Collingwood and himself came to a deal to allow him to AVOID the draft in a deal that virtually gave Brisbane nothing in return. If you think that is too harsh, then the deal was HEAVILY favoured Collingwoods way!

My arguement is that Collingwood WERE CONFIMRED draft tamperers prevously and that the Buckley deal was not totally clean.
Get it, got it? good!

 

[doppleganger]

Collingwoods evidence. Some bloke spouting uncorroborated and unsupported evidence that Saints fans are racist and racially discriminated against Nicky Winmar.



St.Kilda's evidence

You be the judge

he said he heard it once or twice at vic park.........hence u have proof for something he freely admitted!

 

[Jarka]

Collingwoods evidence. Some bloke spouting uncorroborated and unsupported evidence that Saints fans are racist and racially discriminated against Nicky Winmar.



St.Kilda's evidence

You be the judge

I was just about to post something very similiar, these nuff nuffs have a very short memory.

 

[SAYNTS.A1]

Collingwoods evidence. Some bloke spouting uncorroborated and unsupported evidence that Saints fans are racist and racially discriminated against Nicky Winmar.



St.Kilda's evidence

You be the judge

BLOOD OATH!!!!! THIS WAS A RESULT OF A GAME AGAINST COLLINGWOOD.(pretty sure it was Victoria Park) Saints at the time had not only Winmar on the team but Krakeoer and McAdam as well AND all of them were coping it from the pies crowd. It was getting really!!! bad.

 

[doppleganger]

your earlier quote:
"The draft was not tampered with. The club with the first pick drafted the best player and he went and played for them"

Your entire arguement was incorrect and you are mincing words to suit your own arguements(are you Collingwood's lawyer?). You claim that there was no tampering and he went to the club that drafted him. NO he didn't, Brisbane, Collingwood and himself came to a deal to allow him to AVOID the draft in a deal that virtually gave Brisbane nothing in return. If you think that is too harsh, then the deal was HEAVILY favoured Collingwoods way!

My arguement is that Collingwood WERE CONFIMRED draft tamperers prevously and that the Buckley deal was not totally clean.
Get it, got it? good!

how did collingwood tamper with the draft??

Buckley went to his drafted club........brisbane

he could of walked at the end of the year and left them with nothing.........n.stevens

yet he played out his contract........won a rising star award and came second in the b&f

then arranged to have the bears receive compensation......2picks, starcevic & t.lehamn plus a draft pick

collingwood were found to have tampered with the draft in regards to chalmers and were duly punished

 

[Gilbert_Hodge]

Didn't your **** of a cheersquad hold up a banner at the Brisbane game telling them to F**k off?

Yer, you guys have a lot of respect for other teams and their players.....

 

[Joffaboy]

BLOOD OATH!!!!! THIS WAS A RESULT OF A GAME AGAINST COLLINGWOOD.(pretty sure it was Victoria Park) Saints at the time had not only Winmar on the team but Krakeoer and McAdam as well AND all of them were coping it from the pies crowd. It was getting really!!! bad.

Vic park 1993. Interestingly a young champion by the name of Harvey pulled a hamstring in front of the filth hoardes in the outer and guess what????

THEY ALL CHEERED AND LAUGHED

Interesting hey????

 

[The Fireman]

this may have had something to do with the booing.

 

[MarkT]

My arguement is that Collingwood WERE CONFIMRED draft tamperers prevously and that the Buckley deal was not totally clean.
Get it, got it? good!

Brisbane got two players and a first round draft pick. How is that virtually nothing? Scott was hardly a hack for them and that’s who they drafted with the pick. The Buckley contract with Brisbane was negotiated before he had ever played a game of AFL footy.

As for mincing words, let’s be perfectly clear then. Nathan Buckley was taken by Brisbane against his wishes, went to play for Brisbane and exited under a deal he did with them prior to going up and playing for them.

Now without mincing words tell me how the draft was tampered with by Buckley? Surely not becuase he was traded?

 

[SurreyBlue]

Well done to the saints today, you thoroughly deserved your win against us- you simply outclassed and outplayed us all over the field today.

but one thing that really made me want to get a nuclear bomb from nth korea and launch at your members was your treatment of nathan buckley.

From the very first bounce, every time the champ got the footy you booed him. What a disgrace.

Do you guys know how to treat and respect champions? You ought to be ashamed as you have no class or sportsmanship what so ever.

Collingwood fans didnt boo robby harvey when he got a touch- because we have respect for the greats of our game.

Unlike som eof you st kilda ***,, you really ought to be ashamed.

It would have been a treat watching StKilda & Collingwood fans going at each other, no doubt. Pure class from both sides of the fence.

 

[MarkT]

Collingwoods evidence. Some bloke spouting uncorroborated and unsupported evidence

C’mon Joffaoy!

Vic park 1993. Interestingly a young champion by the name of Harvey pulled a hamstring in front of the filth hoardes in the outer and guess what????

THEY ALL CHEERED AND LAUGHED

Interesting hey????

 

[crackers57]

this may have had something to do with the booing.

Two blokes pushing & shoving?

 

[JeffDunne]

Vic park 1993. Interestingly a young champion by the name of Harvey pulled a hamstring in front of the filth hoardes in the outer and guess what????

THEY ALL CHEERED AND LAUGHED

Interesting hey????

Was at the game in a small section full of St Kilda members.

We spent most of the 2nd half dodging cups of urine.

lol - and they complain about booing.

 

[itsintheblood]

Was at the game in a small section full of St Kilda members.

We spent most of the 2nd half dodging cups of urine.

lol - and they complain about booing.

So did their current coach who was coaching the eagles back then. How short some memories are.

 

[MarkT]

Was at the game in a small section full of St Kilda members.

We spent most of the 2nd half dodging cups of urine.

lol - and they complain about booing.

Liar! Were did they get cups from?

 

[Joffaboy]

Liar! Were did they get cups from?

From the filth supporters cheering Harveys torn hammy, and racially vilifying Nicky Winmar.

Danny Frawley also knocked out some big lumbering filth forward that day as well.

Enjoyed the day enormously, didn't know about the now disgusting and world famous race hate incited by the marvellous Collingwood fans until we all saw

And some of your mob complain about Buckley being booed

 

[JeffDunne]

No idea.

I didn't catch and inspect them.

 

[MarkT]

From the filth supporters cheering Harveys torn hammy, and racially vilifying Nicky Winmar.

Oh so you copped the urine in cups as well did you? Funny I didn’t and I ALWAYS stood where the opposition supporters stood at Vic Park in the outer. There wasn't actually much room for them.

And some of your mob complain about Buckley being booed

Some? One.

No idea.

I didn't catch and inspect them.

They sold cans until the end at Vic. Park. No cups I’m afraid. You made it all up.

 

[The Fireman]

Oh so you copped the urine in cups as well did you? Funny I didn’t and I ALWAYS stood where the opposition supporters stood at Vic Park in the outer. There wasn't actually much room for them.Some? One.
They sold cans until the end at Vic. Park. No cups I’m afraid. You made it all up.

It was old Beryl,she handed her thermos cup around