Will be right but will play VFL that weekend as we have been really really cautious with his body.
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Autopsy St Kilda v Melbourne, Etihad Stadium @ 4:10pm
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Watched a replay of the game a second time. Easier to analyse without the emotion.
Dunstan very impressive. Thought he got better as the game wore on. As if he was building up as his legs ran into conditioning. If that is a marker for his season, it looks very impressive. That was the best Dunstan performance I've seen since his debut season. Tough, fearless tackling, smart use of the footy, good kicking. Really, really impressive. Thought he was our second best after Steven.
Ross also impressive. Knows where his team mates are and where his team mates need him to be. Dare I say it, nearly elite awareness and composure. Really exciting development.
Newnes, so impressive. I've been a bit tough on Newnes previously. I thought previously he'd been too reactive. Yesterday I saw some great getting in dangerous spaces - maybe I just opened my eyes to his style of game. Good signs of leadership too.
Savage and Webster their usual selves. Savage I thought looked really tough and composed. Put his body on the line a number of times. Looked like a leader out there. I think with him and Jimmy, Geary can hopefully be moved out of the back 6 in time.
Holmes showed good signs. Hickey too.
Acres, echoing the sentiments of others, he just needs to be played on the ball. He just sees ball and gets ball. Not a natural wingman at all. Grat hunter of the ball. Hopefully they can find space in the middle for him. I also just realised this is only his 3rd season of AFL footy - I need to lower my expectations a bit!! His game will jump dramatically as he gains confidence in his ability at this level.
Lonie sooo impressive. He and JAck Newnes are like 2 peas in a pod. Just super attitudes, leaders already and real fighters.
All in all, a lot of positives to take away.
Dunstan very impressive. Thought he got better as the game wore on. As if he was building up as his legs ran into conditioning. If that is a marker for his season, it looks very impressive. That was the best Dunstan performance I've seen since his debut season. Tough, fearless tackling, smart use of the footy, good kicking. Really, really impressive. Thought he was our second best after Steven.
Ross also impressive. Knows where his team mates are and where his team mates need him to be. Dare I say it, nearly elite awareness and composure. Really exciting development.
Newnes, so impressive. I've been a bit tough on Newnes previously. I thought previously he'd been too reactive. Yesterday I saw some great getting in dangerous spaces - maybe I just opened my eyes to his style of game. Good signs of leadership too.
Savage and Webster their usual selves. Savage I thought looked really tough and composed. Put his body on the line a number of times. Looked like a leader out there. I think with him and Jimmy, Geary can hopefully be moved out of the back 6 in time.
Holmes showed good signs. Hickey too.
Acres, echoing the sentiments of others, he just needs to be played on the ball. He just sees ball and gets ball. Not a natural wingman at all. Grat hunter of the ball. Hopefully they can find space in the middle for him. I also just realised this is only his 3rd season of AFL footy - I need to lower my expectations a bit!! His game will jump dramatically as he gains confidence in his ability at this level.
Lonie sooo impressive. He and JAck Newnes are like 2 peas in a pod. Just super attitudes, leaders already and real fighters.
All in all, a lot of positives to take away.
FWIW, those complaining about Acres should note... he had 10 disposals, 6 contested, 4 clearances, 70% efficiency in only 45% TOG. If we extrapolate that across 90% TOG, that's 20 touches and 8 clearances (and Melbourne's engine room is geared to be ball-winning/clearance-winning) game.
I think that's pretty good. He was always going to be a slow burn...
I think that's pretty good. He was always going to be a slow burn...
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I didn't even notice Dustan until the second half, Ross was my second best after Steven. Savage didn't get it enough but when he did he is exceptional. Webster had a Barry Crocker, left Garlett constantly and made himself look unaccountable. Newnes and lonie both probably would get the coaches award. Work rate and endeavour were brilliant. Agree on the rucks, both were serviceable with moments of being very good.
Dunstans best game since his debut year? I'm not sure why everyone seems to think Dunstan dropped off so much last year, his season was very similar to his first. He would have had quite a few games last year better than that one IMO.
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I haven't seen Dunstan attack the man with that ferocity since his debut season
His repeat efforts in the last qtr were exceptional
He was shanking every 3rd kick last season
His kicking yesterday was impressive
His repeat efforts in the last qtr were exceptional
He was shanking every 3rd kick last season
His kicking yesterday was impressive
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.
Because he was fresh in the last quarter and the Dees mids fatigued, he looked the best I have ever seen him.
Is that a criticism? Not really. Even if he isn't a prolific ball getter when the heat is on early, if he can maintain his fitness and is used as he was on the weekend he can be a weapon, especially with the fatigue that will occur in the back end of games with the 90 interchange rule.
With a fraction more time he can make his decisions and his disposal by hand in close was elite (yes I said elite). While he is developing his decision making to allow him to be damaging at the front end of games, he can still be used very effectively in the back end as we shown on Sunday.
To me the signs for Acres are very promising.
Interestingly, as I haven't watched the replay, I hardly noticed Seb Ross. Obviously in the middle of packs to contribute 28 possessions. Dunstan looked better than I have seen him for quite a while.
I've just extrapolated these Stats to 100% game time. Bear in mind that its easier to get 10 contested disposals in half a game than it is to get 20 in a whole game. etc etc
Disposals , Contested Po sessions, Clearances , Center clearances, Tackles, Kicks into 50.
Steven 37, 21, 10, 5, 9, 4.
Gilbert 29, 13, 3, 2, 5, 2.
Montagna 31,11, 2, 2, 4, 5
Ross 40, 13, 4, 0, 4, 3
Armitage 27,10, 3, 3,1, 5
Weller 14, 9, 0, 0, 7, 2
Roberton 19, 8, 0, 0,7 ,1
Savage 29,9, 1, 0, 1, 2
Acres 22,13,9,0 2, 4
Dunstan 26,9, 4, 3, 6, 3
Lonie 23, 7, 1, 0, 6, 4
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So Ross is the next GAJ Injectors gonna be out for blood but i guesd they did get Parish for Carlisle instead
Just watched it for the first time. I actually don't think we were that bad in any area except skills. It's amazing how much one poor disposal hurts you in the modern game. It doesn't even have to be a turnover - what we seemed most hurt by was handballs going behind a running player or kicks going over heads or along the ground. They still got to the player but set them such a task that all momentum was lost.
Safe to say a stack of that was because they're rusty without having enough match practice. But even taking that into account, few of our players have naturally good disposal - remains to be seen whether it's good enough across the side. We'll know more about that by the end of 2016.
But generally I was pretty happy with the performance. Good running, good attack on the footy, shape and tactics seemed fine (hard to tell from TV).
Best for me:
- Steven: Very good footballer, runs all day and is damaging if he gets even a tiny bit of space. If he was playing for a top side he'd be AA.
- Lonie: In everything going forward, great with the ball and without. Gee I wish he'd kick more goals but he makes a lot of things happen. 19 touches very pleasing.
- Newnes: Seemed to pop up in the right places a lot, though his stats don't look impressive. Happy with the way he's developing.
- Ross: Had plenty of the footy but I never notice him having much impact, not sure what it's going to take for me to believe in him as an AFL player.
- Montagna: Great servant keeps on keeping on, he'll have a role in this side for years to come.
- Savage: A real blue-collar game, just rolled his sleeves up and got on with the job in traffic and outside. I thought he might have reached his level but if he keeps playing like that I'll be ecstatic.
Other good ones: Billings (3 goals but I wanted more from him), Gilbo (he definitely has a future as a mid), Armo (taking time to get started this year but did fine), Chips (solid job causing Hogan real issues), Gresham (not much game time but was in a lot).
Just OK: Dunstan (barely noticed him), Robbo (made mistakes), Hickey (did OK against a good player), Bruce (looked dangerous and should have had more), Geary (unjustified sooking about his disposal).
Not good: Weller (way out of form, shouldn't play R1 at that rate), Rooey (no impact in the midfield), Webster (well beaten by his man), Holmes (won't be a footballer), Wright (doesn't have AFL composure), Dempster (tough matchups all day), Membrey (did nothing, no idea where he's going from here).
And then there's Acres. I don't understand the hype around this kid. He just hasn't given me enough to believe yet - brief glimpses but no certainty that he'll ever be able to turn it on consistently at AFL level. Goes into a basket with Ross, where plenty of good judges seem to rate them so I'm probably wrong, but I just don't get it yet.
Safe to say a stack of that was because they're rusty without having enough match practice. But even taking that into account, few of our players have naturally good disposal - remains to be seen whether it's good enough across the side. We'll know more about that by the end of 2016.
But generally I was pretty happy with the performance. Good running, good attack on the footy, shape and tactics seemed fine (hard to tell from TV).
Best for me:
- Steven: Very good footballer, runs all day and is damaging if he gets even a tiny bit of space. If he was playing for a top side he'd be AA.
- Lonie: In everything going forward, great with the ball and without. Gee I wish he'd kick more goals but he makes a lot of things happen. 19 touches very pleasing.
- Newnes: Seemed to pop up in the right places a lot, though his stats don't look impressive. Happy with the way he's developing.
- Ross: Had plenty of the footy but I never notice him having much impact, not sure what it's going to take for me to believe in him as an AFL player.
- Montagna: Great servant keeps on keeping on, he'll have a role in this side for years to come.
- Savage: A real blue-collar game, just rolled his sleeves up and got on with the job in traffic and outside. I thought he might have reached his level but if he keeps playing like that I'll be ecstatic.
Other good ones: Billings (3 goals but I wanted more from him), Gilbo (he definitely has a future as a mid), Armo (taking time to get started this year but did fine), Chips (solid job causing Hogan real issues), Gresham (not much game time but was in a lot).
Just OK: Dunstan (barely noticed him), Robbo (made mistakes), Hickey (did OK against a good player), Bruce (looked dangerous and should have had more), Geary (unjustified sooking about his disposal).
Not good: Weller (way out of form, shouldn't play R1 at that rate), Rooey (no impact in the midfield), Webster (well beaten by his man), Holmes (won't be a footballer), Wright (doesn't have AFL composure), Dempster (tough matchups all day), Membrey (did nothing, no idea where he's going from here).
And then there's Acres. I don't understand the hype around this kid. He just hasn't given me enough to believe yet - brief glimpses but no certainty that he'll ever be able to turn it on consistently at AFL level. Goes into a basket with Ross, where plenty of good judges seem to rate them so I'm probably wrong, but I just don't get it yet.
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Ross seems to finally becoming the player people said he could be. Last year's hammie really hurt his preparation for 2015. Like you I do not see him accumulate running possession viz Montagna/Stevens but more feeding it out to those players and so is less noticeable. Stats do not lie.
Acres is a mystery wrapped in a riddle. He seems to get lost when not involved in direct play, but when in a stoppage he wins his own ball, he also seems to get the first feed out of a clearance and sets up from there.
I remember commentators in his early years regarding BG, saying he looked slow and that he got caught a lot, well that improved with time didn't it! I was ready to trade BG at the end of his third year, clearly I was wrong. I see a fair bit of Brendan Goddard in Blake (similar size), I think we just need him to find his feet and celebrate the things he does right and relax more on the things he has still yet to get right.
Acres is a mystery wrapped in a riddle. He seems to get lost when not involved in direct play, but when in a stoppage he wins his own ball, he also seems to get the first feed out of a clearance and sets up from there.
I remember commentators in his early years regarding BG, saying he looked slow and that he got caught a lot, well that improved with time didn't it! I was ready to trade BG at the end of his third year, clearly I was wrong. I see a fair bit of Brendan Goddard in Blake (similar size), I think we just need him to find his feet and celebrate the things he does right and relax more on the things he has still yet to get right.
I'm still amazed at how many people think we have a guy named Jack Stevens on our list.
( Good comments though Monty )
( Good comments though Monty )
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I know this thread should probably be dead but **** I love Jack Lonie.
Good call. It will be interesting to see how we manage him this year. Given how well he's supposed to have been going over the preseason and how much better he clearly goes once played on the ball, I wonder if we'll just chuck him on the ball, as some other clubs do with their young ones who they know are good, or whether we'll be conservative like we usually are with the likes of him and wait until he's just smashing the door down?
He is the age this year that Jack Steven was when he pretty much came from no-where to suddenly start kicking ass in the midfield, after being in and out of the team playing forward. He was pretty much only given a crack in there because Lenny went down with his ACL and Armo hadn't set the world on fire in his place, but as soon as he got a real go there, he pretty much exploded and the rest is history. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if Blacres did something similar this year, if given the chance. It could be that he just needs one good game and he'll be away.
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I think there is a fair bit of difference. You could tell from Steven's first game he was special and you could certainly tell watching him in the seconds. I think Acres will hopefully make it but he hasn't really had any big games in the ones and only a couple in the seconds. We need him to improve as we are light on for mids with class.
The jury is still out on both Acres & Ross for mine. I don't get the hype at all; Acres has shown very little at AFL level, looks slow of deed & thought and his disposal is dodgy. The same comments apply to Ross except he gets more of the pill than Acres.
After a couple of seasons for each (Ross has had three years?) we need them to come good, but I'm doubtful.
I agree that we are light-on for classy mids coming through.
Sure, Jack did some exciting things in the forward line in those first 14 games (prior to the Melbourne game, when he was put onto the ball and he went bang), but I remember thinking at the time that if he didn't do something pretty good that day he'd probably be out of the team again the following week (after a couple of very quiet games- 8 and 11 disposals, no scores in either) and that was his 4th year at the club, so it's not as though he was going Jack Billings or Jack Lonie-type well up forward, IMO. (ie. I'd expect them to both be going much better by their 4th year than Jack was in his, prior to being moved onto the ball). Putting him onto the ball made all the difference though and I suspect it could be a similar story with Blake, who it's pretty clear is at his best there at the moment.
I dare say the club see something pretty special in Blake as well, or they surely wouldn't have given him a 4 year deal in just his first year and I thought in his game against Brisbane last year he really showed something. Had 10 disposals to quarter time and 20 for the match, despite cramping up pretty badly throughout the last quarter and only ending up playing 69% game time. Had it not been so hot there that day and he not cramped up so much he was probably on track for a 25 possie game, the way he was going. He also had over 30 possies in two of his 8 games at VFL level last year and was apparently excellent in Sandy's first final. In the juniors he apparently had no trouble at all finding the ball either (hence going first round in a strong draft, despite having little exposed form in the 2nd half of that draft year), so I just think the sooner we get him onto the ball the better, as I believe he has what it takes to make it and he has the run and spread that some others in our midfield lack.
I think early on Blake just had one of those days where the ball bounced away from him & he just couldn't get near it.
He was obviously very frustrated (which was shown in his very uncharacteristic brain fade that resulted in the 50m penalty) yet worked his way into the game.
If anything, I think he just needs a bit more intensity...he still looks a bit like the wide eyed first gamer that is hoping to get the pill. Compare that with Clayton Oliver who just willed himself from contest to contest & fought like hell for the ball. It's a very handy characteristic to have... hopefully Blake can develop it as he gets more games under his belt and his confidence increases.
Nothing has changed IMO... he's still a very promising part of our future midfield.
He had the whole 3rd quarter off due to being so bad In the first half then came on as others tired, it's easy to manipulate stats to how you want them to look but the fact is he was atrocious in the first half. The great thing is he did come back and play very well in the last.
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