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BIGNEDKELLY said:
When I thought Chewy was blown up I almost walked out.

When Threepio made his sacrifice I was on the verge of tears.

When Leia died I couldn't have cared less at that point.
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I knew Chewie wasn't dead, cause I remembered seeing the trailer of him flying in the Millenium Falcon with Lando, which hadn't happened at that point in the film (which is why trailers are annoying spoilers in themselves)

Also, I think it would have had greater dramatic impact if Threepio's memory remained wiped, seems bit of a cop out having R2 restore it (at least partially)
 
Elmer_Judd said:
Also, I think it would have had greater dramatic impact if Threepio's memory remained wiped, seems bit of a cop out having R2 restore it (at least partially)
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Tis a shame how many characters in the film are nothing more than hollow plot devices.
 
SM said:
No?
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53 when he died.
 

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Lethality said:
It's probably easier to keep churning out dumb action blockbusters rather than rely on a coherent plot. That's the only reason I can think of for all the terrible writing.
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Yep. And Disney are in the business of total acquisition. They just wanna be lazy and rely on bankable IPs to keep the money pouring in. They won't put work into SW until it's really necessary.
 
Fempire!

Split second shot of Rey on the Sith throne from the movie during the forest vision scene...

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Mace Windu was a revered Force-sensitive human male Jedi Master and member of the Jedi High Council during the last years of the Republic Era. During his time in the Jedi Order, he once served as elected leader of the Jedi and, during the Clone Wars, as a Jedi General in the Grand Army of the...
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53 when he died.
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I swear I saw an article when The Phantom Menace came our where Mace's age was given around 70-80 (ish) but with Disney and all the retconning done in the past decade, who the hell knows for sure?
 
Thrawn said:
Because he could have done a LOT better, like not make Rey so Mary Sue for starters. Sounds like you enjoyed it just for the sfx/action rather than the plot/characters, which is understandable because the latter was very weak so it really couldn't be enjoyed all that much.
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What would you have Rey be? Weak? She had moments of doubt. She had a weakness to being manipulated into acting impulsively and with anger when her heritage was questioned. She found out she was a Palpatine further adding fear SHE may turn. She gave up and destroyed her ship... She had emotional baggage which was her weakness. But she was incredibly strong with the force. I don't see that as an issue. And if you did, to be honest, that storyline was set up in the previous two films. What was meant to happen? She goes backwards in her development?

I didn't JUST love the visuals/sfx/action - but lets be clear. The Star Wars franchise is a series of holiday blockbusters. They are meant to have action and be amazing to look at. Jeez - an entire SFX company and ongoing standards were created by the star wars franchise. Abrams weaved cgi with location shots beautifully and there's no harm in acknowledging that.


What was he to do? He could have focused on Kylo Ren for starters, why the need to make an even bigger baddie? Hell, if the cloning excuse is used then why not have a clone of Snoke instead of reintroducing a character that should be dead? I mean, they did what you're essentially describing here: bringing back another baddie.
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Because it was very well established that Kylo and Rey were equals despite Kylo having years and years of more training / experience. Kylo had not lived up to his family's legacy and was constantly derided by Snoke. If it were only Kylo that were to be the lone bad guy there is no way (imo) that the film could have had you suspend disbelief long enough to believe Kylo may actually win.

I don't understand why people are upset with The Emperor returning. In the 8 films previous he was shown to be the most powerful force user in the galaxy (probably equal with Yoda). His credentials were well established and his presentation / performance was AMAZING. Bringing back Snoke as a clone would not have been as good in my opinion. And again, this was probably all caused Johnson killing Snoke.

We have to accept that The Last Jedi happened. Thats where we were at. So it had to be one of three choices: Kylo alone, new bad guy, or reintroduce an existing bad guy. To this stage I've not seen a proposal that would have been better than what we got.


The lightsaber fight in this movie was pathetic. Doesn't hold a candle to the Duel of Fates.
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Pathetic is harsh. As good as what is pretty much declared the best lightsaber duel of the entire franchise? No. Would have liked to have seen Rey use both lightsabers - that would have been awesome.


If that's a positive, then the movie fails to stand on its own. That Force ghosts can interact with the physical world - why not just kill Palpatine? Why didn't Yoda and Obi-Wan help Luke in ROTJ? It just introduces so many problems.
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Its a mythical story with laser swords which magically stop at a given length, space ships that bank turn and make noise in space, where people stand in spaceship hangars with no atmosphere and don't suffocate... My point? There has to be a level of suspension of disbelief and switching the brain off a little. Think too hard and the entire franchise is open to that kind of criticism.

Again, my point is that Ep 9 could only build on what had been laid out. I for one am glad Abrams sent a big FU to Last Jedi and continued on his path. I really wish he directed all three.

And the point is, this trilogy got in all sorts of problems when Disney decided to let three different directors direct AND WRITE without having a locked in set of specifics that must happen. Given the platform, ROS delivered.


What really grinds my gears about this film is that the positives don't override that Vader's sacrifice mean nothing in the end. I'll turn your statement around and say that to deny the weaknesses of the plot is also focusing on the wrong stuff.
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It doesn't at all. Vadar's sacrifice saved the galaxy at that time and saved his son's life. It also redeemed his "soul". As soon as the story didn't end - ie the Sith survived, you could argue Vadar's sacrifice was for nothing. In fact, reintroducing the Emperor is actually a very good plot device to describe why the story continued at all. If after ROTJ the Sith were all gone.... Where did Snoke come from? How did the the Order get established etc. The Emperor still being alive (whether a clone or whatever) makes all of that way more plausible.

It's funny. People bitch about the Emperor not staying dead yet on the other hand cheered when Darth Maul survived being cut in half and want him to have his own film or be reintroduced...
 
skipjack said:
What would you have Rey be? Weak? She had moments of doubt. She had a weakness to being manipulated into acting impulsively and with anger when her heritage was questioned. She found out she was a Palpatine further adding fear SHE may turn. She gave up and destroyed her ship... She had emotional baggage which was her weakness. But she was incredibly strong with the force. I don't see that as an issue. And if you did, to be honest, that storyline was set up in the previous two films. What was meant to happen? She goes backwards in her development?

I didn't JUST love the visuals/sfx/action - but lets be clear. The Star Wars franchise is a series of holiday blockbusters. They are meant to have action and be amazing to look at. Jeez - an entire SFX company and ongoing standards were created by the star wars franchise. Abrams weaved cgi with location shots beautifully and there's no harm in acknowledging that.




Because it was very well established that Kylo and Rey were equals despite Kylo having years and years of more training / experience. Kylo had not lived up to his family's legacy and was constantly derided by Snoke. If it were only Kylo that were to be the lone bad guy there is no way (imo) that the film could have had you suspend disbelief long enough to believe Kylo may actually win.

I don't understand why people are upset with The Emperor returning. In the 8 films previous he was shown to be the most powerful force user in the galaxy (probably equal with Yoda). His credentials were well established and his presentation / performance was AMAZING. Bringing back Snoke as a clone would not have been as good in my opinion. And again, this was probably all caused Johnson killing Snoke.

We have to accept that The Last Jedi happened. Thats where we were at. So it had to be one of three choices: Kylo alone, new bad guy, or reintroduce an existing bad guy. To this stage I've not seen a proposal that would have been better than what we got.




Pathetic is harsh. As good as what is pretty much declared the best lightsaber duel of the entire franchise? No. Would have liked to have seen Rey use both lightsabers - that would have been awesome.




Its a mythical story with laser swords which magically stop at a given length, space ships that bank turn and make noise in space, where people stand in spaceship hangars with no atmosphere and don't suffocate... My point? There has to be a level of suspension of disbelief and switching the brain off a little. Think too hard and the entire franchise is open to that kind of criticism.

Again, my point is that Ep 9 could only build on what had been laid out. I for one am glad Abrams sent a big FU to Last Jedi and continued on his path. I really wish he directed all three.

And the point is, this trilogy got in all sorts of problems when Disney decided to let three different directors direct AND WRITE without having a locked in set of specifics that must happen. Given the platform, ROS delivered.




It doesn't at all. Vadar's sacrifice saved the galaxy at that time and saved his son's life. It also redeemed his "soul". As soon as the story didn't end - ie the Sith survived, you could argue Vadar's sacrifice was for nothing. In fact, reintroducing the Emperor is actually a very good plot device to describe why the story continued at all. If after ROTJ the Sith were all gone.... Where did Snoke come from? How did the the Order get established etc. The Emperor still being alive (whether a clone or whatever) makes all of that way more plausible.

It's funny. People bitch about the Emperor not staying dead yet on the other hand cheered when Darth Maul survived being cut in half and want him to have his own film or be reintroduced...
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This film lacked action imo
 
Hai_Newman said:
You do know Star Wars cleaned up in 1978 and won 6 oscars, being nominated in 10 categories.
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Star Wars back then was something we had never seen on the big screen before, thus they won Oscars for mostly visual effects and costumes which they more then deserved. Very similar to Avatar in 2010, great visually but i think we all agree wasn't a cinematic masterpiece
 

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Elmer_Judd said:
I swear I saw an article when The Phantom Menace came our where Mace's age was given around 70-80 (ish) but with Disney and all the retconning done in the past decade, who the hell knows for sure?
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Uh I do, in the old canon his age was the same as it is now.
 
skipjack said:
People bitch about the Emperor not staying dead yet on the other hand cheered when Darth Maul survived being cut in half and want him to have his own film or be reintroduced...
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Well the emperor was electrocuted, then thrown down a deeeeeep shaft, from which some sort of explosion came, then the death star blew up. It's a bit harder to come back from that.
 
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