Opinion Sydney Swans Academy and Rebuild

Academies, friend or foe

  • Support the concept don't like the concessions given to clubs

    Votes: 178 45.3%

  • Hate the concept, hate the concessions given to clubs

    Votes: 79 20.1%

  • Support the concept, support the concessions given to clubs

    Votes: 136 34.6%
  • Total voters
    393

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MrSwans said:
While concentrating on the Swans, do we all understand that the Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney also have academies?

To answer your question, they commenced in 2010, when the AFL partnered (for the want of a better word) with four non-AFL dominated Northern market Clubs to introduce academies in Queensland, New South Wales and ACT.

Since inception in 2010, the Swans academy alone has facilitated and trained more than 3,000 kids, but only 12 of the men have broken through to play a senior game at Sydney, that is 0.4% of all those who have gone through the program.
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Having an Academy is not enough, you need a good, well-run Academy. The BL Academy currently has a local reputation for driving young players out of the game!
 
WOFTAMWarrior said:
Multiple picks and the rules allowed by the AFL to grow the game in the non traditional Australian Football States especially since the Clubs are footing the bill.

One might also say tanking and receiving multiple first rounds picks is also a gift.
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It’s a gift.
 
ChristianBoy said:
Yep but when we won the flag we weren’t gifted a top 3 kid.
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Which kid were we gifted when we won the flag? Dean Towers was a decent player for us but not sure I'd call him a top 3 kid.

Or how about the Dogs getting pick 2 after making the GF just purely because a former player's kid was good?
 
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I would imagine that every Victorian club has a player in their top team who was originally recruited by a Northern AFL team. You can’t have this discussion without including the problems that non traditional AFL teams have in retaining recruits.
That’s why the Northern Academies were set up.
My fellow Pies supporters are all salty at the moment because a first round pick gets lonely for his mum who lives 45 kilometres away!
For what it’s worth, this appears to be a growing problem for he AFL generally. Clubs are increasingly recruiting local U18s because of the go-home factor.
I can see a special set of circumstances for non local recruits (longer first contracts, guaranteed trading equality, etc).
As a first bite, I believe that the discount for bids for father-sons and all academy splatters should disappear. It’s only fair that the work the the Swans etc have to put in to make thru Academies work should give them first go at tge products of that work, but they shouldn’t get a second player because of the discount.
 
SM said:
Which kid were we gifted when we won the flag? Dean Towers was a decent player for us but not sure I'd call him a top 3 kid.

Or how about the Dogs getting pick 2 after making the GF just purely because a former player's kid was good?
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You got Heeney after losing a flag.
Top 3 rated kid.
 

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WOFTAMWarrior said:
They go into the draft like everyone. If Sydney wants them they have to give up picks (points) for access otherwise they’re fair game. As explained in numerous other posts.
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That’s BS though. With the points system you only need a 12-18 first rounder and a couple of picks in the early 20s and you have enough points to match pick 1. That’s 2 fringe best 22 players and a mid top 8 finish for the best player in the draft. Literally AFL Live trading logic if you went to the trade table

Not many other clubs have this sort of opportunity and for most to get quality you more often than not have to give up quality, not just a large collection of average players for an upgrade

If you walked into North and said here’s pick 12, 20 and 22 (3025pts) for pick 1 (3000pts), they’d laugh you out of the room.
 
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Coasters7 said:
That’s BS though. With the points system you only need a 12-18 first rounder and a couple of picks in the early 20s and you have enough points to match pick 1. That’s 2 fringe best 22 players and a mid top 8 finish for the best player in the draft. Literally AFL live trading logic if you went to the trade table

Not many other clubs have this sort of opportunity and for most to get quality you more often than not have to give up quality, not just a large collection of average players for an upgrade

If you walked into North and said here’s pick 12, 20 and 22 (3025pts) for pick 1 (3000pts), they’d laugh you out of the room.
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When you look at pick trades it's pretty clear that the top picks are 30-50% devalued.

Having an academy players or Father Son in the top 10 is gold. You get two discounts, first being the devalued top picks plus the 20% on top.

Pick 1 should actually be between 4000-4500 points and not 3000.
 
WOFTAMWarrior said:
Multiple picks and the rules allowed by the AFL to grow the game in the non traditional Australian Football States especially since the Clubs are footing the bill.

One might also say tanking and receiving multiple first rounds picks is also a gift.
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Callum Mills is the grandson of Ray Mills who played for Perth Football Club and WA in the 60's.
 
ChristianBoy said:
Somehow Sydney get him though it’s ridiculous
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Because he was in our Academy.

What are you struggling with here?

Seems like you think Father-Sons are ok, 'just cos' but not Academy selections.
 
Lach72 said:
I quite love the fact that Indigenous multicultural academies can‘t pick a kid before 40…because reasons…

but knock yourself out on the other concessions…father sons, northern academies…go for your life…

just awesome stuff.
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NGAs are garbage, as if JUH wouldn't have been a top 5 prospect without them (for example)

Kids probably had a footy in his hand since he could walk
 
ChristianBoy said:
You get father sons plus these academy kids.
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If we're lucky to have a father son available to draft who is also considered a top 3 draft prospect. Can you let me know the last of those we had?
 
Coasters7 said:
That’s BS though. With the points system you only need a 12-18 first rounder and a couple of picks in the early 20s and you have enough points to match pick 1. That’s 2 fringe best 22 players and a mid top 8 finish for the best player in the draft. Literally AFL Live trading logic if you went to the trade table

Not many other clubs have this sort of opportunity and for most to get quality you more often than not have to give up quality, not just a large collection of average players for an upgrade

If you walked into North and said here’s pick 12, 20 and 22 (3025pts) for pick 1 (3000pts), they’d laugh you out of the room.
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I don't think many swans supporters would argue that the points system needs work.
 

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