Opinion Sydney Swans Academy and Rebuild

[Seedsfan]

Lol....you say there's 'no conspiracy', yet you turn on a dime and say that the AFL changes the rules when it suits them...? Can you not see how that might be contradictory?

Furthermore, have you taken a look at your position on all of this?

This is how most posters are in this thread:

Sydney posters - Why all the hullabaloo over our academies when father/son still exists and players always want to leave our clubs, fix other inequities and we'll look at fixing this

Neutral posters - Some changes need to be made to the draft bidding process, perhaps an open first round or scrapping the discount for Academies and F/S

You - Changes need to be made to the academy but not to father son bidding. We don't need to change finals venues, as that's just the way it is. Player retention isn't an issue, but Northern clubs shouldn't complain when we do take their players

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You're probably the only poster on this forum that seems to have this view of 'change things that benefit them/leave things the way they are as it's tradition, but don't change things that benefit us'

Eddie would be proud.

Half the things you have quoted me as saying I have never said champ

I said father son’s shouldn’t be gotten rid of and I never said academies should be scrapped just the first two rounds protected. The only thing that has to go are NGA’s they are the biggest joke

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Surprised you still aren’t crying over COLA. The fact you can use a first rounder to target mature age players and bring in top end prospects with junk picks is a joke

It is at odds with the drafting system. A system that I hate

Better off just having zones across the entire country. If you cap list sizes and TPP both practices that are in place now you will see talent spread across the country if they can’t play in their home state.

Look at the NRL the Roosters and Storm have two of the smallest junior programs doesn’t hold them back

What was that doyen of wit Travis Cloke paid for his regular appearances on The Footy Show again?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So you would agree then, that probably the most equitable thing to do, would be to scrap the discount (for father/sons as well), but leave the bidding process in place - would that be fair?

It's honestly simple and yet the AFL are trying to make one rule for this, one rule for the NGA, one rule for the F/S...not only is it as complicated as buggery for fans, it's not even needed in the first place

 

[Seedsfan]

It's honestly simple and yet the AFL are trying to make one rule for this, one rule for the NGA, one rule for the F/S...not only is it as complicated as buggery for fans, it's not even needed in the first place

We don’t need NGA’s they are the first thing that has to be scrapped

 

[Shadow89]

Half the things you have quoted me as saying I have never said champ

I said father son’s shouldn’t be gotten rid of and I never said academies should be scrapped just the first two rounds protected. The only thing that has to go are NGA’s they are the biggest joke

Ah bringing out the ol' 'champ's' now. Alright 'buster' 'ol buddy 'ol pal, perhaps go read back through the thread and see what you actually said. If changes are made to make the first two rounds 'protected' then those exact same changes should be made to F/S. If you don't agree with that, then you are being self-serving and one eyed.

You're not contributing anything constructive though - just what's good for Collingwood and for you, so bye bye.

 

[Shadow89]

It's honestly simple and yet the AFL are trying to make one rule for this, one rule for the NGA, one rule for the F/S...not only is it as complicated as buggery for fans, it's not even needed in the first place

Spot on. Absolutely baffled me when they came out about their news for the NGA's and then radio silence on F/S and Northern academies. Was so weird. Something tells me they didn't want to piss off Collingwood and tell them that Nick Daicos was now a free for all for the rest of the comp.

 

[Seedsfan]

Ah bringing the ol' 'champ's' now. Alright 'buster' 'ol buddy 'ol pal, perhaps go read back through the thread and see what you actually said. If changes are made to make the first two rounds 'protected' then those exact same changes should be made to F/S. If you don't agree with that, then you are being self-serving and one eyed.

You're not contributing anything constructive though - just what's good for Collingwood, so bye bye.

You are the one that should go back and reread what has been said buddy

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We don’t need NGA’s they are the first thing that has to be scrapped

Happy to keep them just make the rule the same as the others. NO discounts in the first two rounds. If said player is worth pick 5 you pay that price. It honestly isn't hard. The same with F/S selections and the same with Academy. Simple. Done, took all of 3 seconds to work out a fair rule for everyone.

 

[Seedsfan]

Spot on. Absolutely baffled me when they came out about their news for the NGA's and then radio silence on F/S and Northern academies. Was so weird. Something tells me they didn't want to piss off Collingwood and tell them that Nick Daicos was now a free for all for the rest of the comp.

It’s because the NGA’s was a reactionary thing that was never needed. The AFL realised they ****ed up by introducing them but didn’t want to get rid of them so settled for a compromise

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Lol....you say there's 'no conspiracy', yet you turn on a dime and say that the AFL changes the rules when it suits them...? Can you not see how that might be contradictory?

Furthermore, have you taken a look at your position on all of this?

This is how most posters are in this thread:

Sydney posters - Why all the hullabaloo over our academies when father/son still exists and players always want to leave our clubs, fix other inequities and we'll look at fixing this

Neutral posters - Some changes need to be made to the draft bidding process, perhaps an open first round or scrapping the discount for Academies and F/S

You - Changes need to be made to the academy but not to father son bidding. We don't need to change finals venues, as that's just the way it is. Player retention isn't an issue, but Northern clubs shouldn't complain when we do take their players

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You're probably the only poster on this forum that seems to have this view of 'change things that benefit them/leave things the way they are as it's tradition, but don't change things that benefit us'

Eddie would be proud.

aye... yet another guy following Ed with S sized Bonds pulled over over an XXL head.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Spot on. Absolutely baffled me when they came out about their news for the NGA's and then radio silence on F/S and Northern academies. Was so weird. Something tells me they didn't want to piss off Collingwood and tell them that Nick Daicos was now a free for all for the rest of the comp.

Pretty much, Eddie was still involved with the Pies back then. They are overcomplicating a very easy solution.

 

[Seedsfan]

Happy to keep them just make the rule the same as the others. NO discounts in the first two rounds. If said player is worth pick 5 you pay that price. It honestly isn't hard. The same with F/S selections and the same with Academy. Simple. Done, took all of 3 seconds to work out a fair rule for everyone.

They are seriously not needed most of them are a rort you can get into an NGA with the slightest of multiculturalism

 

[Shadow89]

You are the one that should go back and reread what has been said buddy

You just reiterated your position again on this page, which reflected what I said, genius.

You really aren't adding anything to this conversation, lol. So I'm not sure why you're still here except to just preach about what you want, while giving up nothing in return.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

That success was temporary built on the back of the merger.

Just as Geelong’s was built off the back of father/sons, Hawthorn’s priority picks etc.You still need to be a well run club, you still need to develop your low end talent, you still need to be able to retain players at lower cost etc etc

100% agree on that. However, you also have to think just how much success Brisbane had prior to their downturn. Yes they were at breaking point, but some of those players like Yeo and Redden, actually came across to another interstate club in WA. I don't think that was an issue that was primarily just a Vic centric one.

umm you are both forgetting one of the major reasons for their success in the first place.........

don't forget that when Brisbane 3 peated they were also receiving significant salary cap concessions from the AFL, which were removed after they 3 peated. Than coincidently they turned too shit, Much like Sydney when COLA was removed....

Not saying that your points RE Academies aren't valid, but the salary cap normalization for both clubs has a lot more to do with each plateauing & then declining after their success than academies did........

 

[LukeParkerno1]

They are seriously not needed most of them are a rort you can get into an NGA with the slightest of multiculturalism

If it gets a few more into the sport I'm happy to keep it, but pay fair price. The biggest blight and this comes from a Sydney fan isn't the academies it's the discounts!

 

[Shadow89]

aye... yet another guy following Ed with S sized Bonds pulled over over an XXL head.

I believe they call that 'atomic stupidity'

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Reckon the AFL wouldn't be too keen on funnelling resources into something like that or they'd already do it..

Yeah you're right, anything that's not currently being done will never be done otherwise it would be happening already

 

[Seedsfan]

If it gets a few more into the sport I'm happy to keep it, but pay fair price. The biggest blight and this comes from a Sydney fan isn't the academies it's the discounts!

It gets kids who are already playing footy. The TAC programs are already competitive. If they AFL wanted more multicultural players in the TAC they should of provided the funding to those programs and done it from there

 

[Demonic Ascent]

They are seriously not needed most of them are a rort you can get into an NGA with the slightest of multiculturalism

So true. My kids would qualify for NGA under the current rules and I was born in Melbourne and followed/played footy since I was 5. My kids have grown up with footy on the tv, going to games, going to watch their uncle and cousins play local footy and always had footy's around the house and backyard. Yet they would qualify because my wife was born overseas. It's ridiculous.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It gets kids who are already playing footy. The TAC programs are already competitive. If they AFL wanted more multicultural players in the TAC they should of provided the funding to those programs and done it from there

The AFL won't do it, they tried that to different degrees, it didn't work. They aren't going back to running these at a cost of millions of dollars.

 

[Seedsfan]

So true. My kids would qualify for NGA under the current rules and I was born in Melbourne and followed/played footy since I was 5. My kids have grown up with footy on the tv, going to games, going to watch their uncle and cousins play local footy and always had footy's around the house and backyard. Yet they would qualify because my wife was born overseas. It's ridiculous.

I have known so many people like that in my time involved in club footy in Victoria

All the NGA’s were was a gesture to the heartland clubs so they wouldn’t complain about the Northern Academies.

While I am no pro the northern academies the AFL had to hold firm and not create NGAs

 

[Seedsfan]

The AFL won't do it, they tried that to different degrees, it didn't work. They aren't going back to running these at a cost of millions of dollars.

So what it comes out of the club’s budget to run the NGA’s half of them rely on AFL hand outs to stay above water anyway

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

umm you are both forgetting one of the major reasons for their success in the first place.........

don't forget that when Brisbane 3 peated they were also receiving significant salary cap concessions from the AFL, which were removed after they 3 peated. Than coincidently they turned too sh*t, Much like Sydney when COLA was removed....

Not saying that your points RE Academies aren't valid, but the salary cap normalization for both clubs has a lot more to do with each plateauing & then declining after their success than academies did........

See now this is crap. Brisbane’s salary cap concession was set at precisely the number that was the average extra earnings available to Victorian clubs’ simply by virtue of them being in the Victorian market. Those additional earnings were not available to Brisbane players as they had no public recognition.

Eddie strikes again whilst STILL paying Travis Cloke to be hysterically funny and articulate on The Footy Show.

Sydney’s drop in performance had far more to do with the ridiculous trade ban than the removal of COLA.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Eddie strikes again whilst STILL paying Travis Cloke to be hysterically funny and articulate on The Footy Show.

To be fair Trav was more erudite and amusing than the 'black face' warrior Newman or the faux embarrassed Eddiehead

 

[HirdsTheWord]

See now this is crap. Brisbane’s salary cap concession was set at precisely the number that was the average extra earnings available to Victorian clubs’ simply by virtue of them being in the Victorian market. Those additional earnings were not available to Brisbane players as they had no public recognition.

Eddie strikes again whilst STILL paying Travis Cloke to be hysterically funny and articulate on The Footy Show.

Sydney’s drop in performance had far more to do with the ridiculous trade ban than the removal of COLA.

lol not sure what your info is is but the Lions CEO at the time Mike Bowers, openly admitted that the concessions were used to attract top end VIC talent to Brisbane.

That's why they waited until 2006 to enforce it as contracts prior had already been executed.

Players were absolutely getting the money.