Opinion Sydney Swans Academy and Rebuild
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What it shows is just how far ahead Geelong are of the pack.
What a mighty club.
To win the flag with no Academy.
With hardly any access to top talent.
What a supreme organisation.
You have ur own advantages which go far beyond any academy
Lets not pretend its a level playing field here
You are fantastically well run club and have been since 2007.
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I wish we could treat clubs like glorified baby sitters and bring every first rounder back home after their initial 2 year deal
Your right that only happens to the swans.
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So the swans can put any young talent into their academy, develop them etc, then bid on them at draft time?
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Strong talk the Warner's are relocating and the 2 remaining siblings are entering the the academy.
Youngest is the best of the lot
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I am just trying to work out if this is a fair system?
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How long has the academy been around?
While concentrating on the Swans, do we all understand that the Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney also have academies?
To answer your question, they commenced in 2010, when the AFL partnered (for the want of a better word) with four non-AFL dominated Northern market Clubs to introduce academies in Queensland, New South Wales and ACT.
Since inception in 2010, the Swans academy alone has facilitated and trained more than 3,000 kids, but only 12 of the men have broken through to play a senior game at Sydney, that is 0.4% of all those who have gone through the program.
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Since you're figuring out percentages, what percentage of those 3,000+ kids are you able to elect to draft, before other clubs can have the opportunity?
It's great that the academy has trained so many kids in NSW. It's awesome that it has generated so many league standard players. Well done. The issue is the priority access. It's not like the Swans are doing it as an act of charity.
If you think it's fair and equal then you shouldn't have an issue with Geelong having priority drafting rights to all Geelong Falcons players. I'm sure the club would gladly pay to train them for the privilege.
You already do just give them a bit of time to develop and get in their ears within 2-3yrs they request a trade.
I have huge respect for ur club so i rather not argue against Geelong supporters.
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It's not hard to work out the answer to your first point, how many of the graduating class can the Swans draft in one year?
Your last point is ridiculous - I never said that it's "fair and equal" - I pointed out facts - you're comparing an elite AFL specific junior pathway to an academy in a State where AFL is not in the top 3 sports played!
While we're at it, let's give the Calder Cannons to Essendon, Murray Bushrangers to Collingwood, Sandringham Dragons to Hawthorn etc etc.
I never said everything is fair and equal but surely you can see a distinction between elite junior pathways in Victoria to 300 juniors of varying skills in a State that is not dominated by AFL.
And let's be straight, Geelong might as well have the Geelong Falcons - aren't they rumored to be getting back two recent graduates in Tanner Bruhn and Oliver Henry!
In order for the game to prosper & grow in NSW, to me it's a no brainer, both the Swans & GWS should share in their State home product, through Academies training up the young NSW footballers. This in the long term can only be good for the game, makes hopefully both NSW clubs ongoingly a little more competitive & successful, both on the field but also with the growth of Aussie Rules in NSW off the field, whereby young NSW kids seeing their hero's in Warner, Heeney, Mills, etc, that these guys are REAL home grown NSW products, football even in the modern era, is principally a 'tribal game', this would unmistakably make a significant difference in promoting the game in NSW, both in the long & short terms. It's a win, win for all parties. NSW AFL clubs become stronger with the AFL receiving 'future lucrative and bigger TV right deals' which will in turn benefit the 'whole' AFL, including all CLUBS and last but not least... is that through common-sense and 'a true desire to have a truly run National Competition', along with intelligent business acumen, we make Aussie Rules a stronger brand, with many NSW kids not only becoming interested in our great game but also participating in it.
PS - If one of two NSW clubs gets a good run of academy players and wins a extra premiership or two, then stiff-shit, it's for the good of the game. If both NSW clubs become too powerful, then get drunk on the shit-load of money that the AFL would be making with bigger TV deals OR, if that doesn't satisfy some parochial fellow Victorians then simply change the rules.
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How come club fans of clubs that have been more successful.
Dismiss ther own advantages:
Since 2000
Tigers 3 flags;
Travel a few times a year
Gf at home
Lots of financial opportunities during and post career, play marquee games to attract talent home.
90% of list around friends and family(in their comfort zone)
Cats 4 flags;
Lower cost of living
Train and play in an unshared ground
Good exposure to mcg
Rural sell for vics
Dismiss ther own advantages:
Since 2000
Tigers 3 flags;
Travel a few times a year
Gf at home
Lots of financial opportunities during and post career, play marquee games to attract talent home.
90% of list around friends and family(in their comfort zone)
Cats 4 flags;
Lower cost of living
Train and play in an unshared ground
Good exposure to mcg
Rural sell for vics
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Big call stating a 12yo kid is going to be the best of the lot?
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Well reports are he is far ahead of chad at the same age
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As fair as Geelong's lucrative property deals for players or Melbourne's tanking to get pick 1, or the Visy bonus pack, or the Pies and Tiges grab bag of side deals, etc, etc.
I assume the Swans poster is just trolling but with two brothers on the other side of the country, who knows?
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As has been stated numerous times before.
More talent in NSW and Queensland leads to;
- Larger talent pool of all Clubs to choose from
- That awesomely talented Victorian kid doesnt get picked up from the baddies up North and can stay in Victoria.
- Clubs do not get more list spots. They have the exact same amount as every other Club.
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Sydney should look to shed some of their academy players to bring in more kids through the conventional national draft if they want to win flags like The Western
, Richmond, Melbourne. Would be happy to trade them a future first rounder for Mills, Blakey or Heeney.
, Richmond, Melbourne. Would be happy to trade them a future first rounder for Mills, Blakey or Heeney.
Sydney always gets first option though?
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So secret property deals to lure top quality players trumps access to kids from an academy, hmmmm
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They go into the draft like everyone. If Sydney wants them they have to give up picks (points) for access otherwise they’re fair game. As explained in numerous other posts.
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