Rumour Tales from the Henley Beach Cafe 2: Crows 2021 Rumours

[Gtowncrow]

It may have stated it covered Reid and Ogilvie but the club already had the result they were looking for from the review before they even started it and I can guarantee Riccuito, Reid and Ogilvie were safe no matter what was uncovered in the review. The review was a complete waste of time as our premiership coach Malcolm Blight has stated on numerous occasions. They had already made there mind up who was being removed and it was purely done as a PR exercise to demonstrate to members that they were listening. Why didn't they review the whole organisation by an independent auditor as has been done at other clubs instead of hiring Riccuito's fox colleagues to review the people they wanted terminated? If they didn't have anything to hide and felt secure that they were running the club competently why hide behind a pre orchestrated fake review?

The brief Dunstall was given was ridiculous and no wonder when asked to do reviews at other clubs he has declined. He likely felt used by the whole exercise.

Lastly I can guarantee you that if there was a review of list management and recruiting by an independent auditor (which btw is not needed at good clubs to remove staff that obviously aren't performing) then all key decision makers would have been terminated. The fact that our list is historically bad and they haven't resigned on their own accord is very disappointing. At other clubs they wouldn't need to be pushed as they would know that a Board would be derelict in their duty to the members to let the status quo continue. They would find alternative employment before the inevitable.

I've read this post several times as it contains some points I needed to contemplate for a minute.
However, I think you're blinded with your own bias. Let me explain...
Historically, AFC has produced as many good players as any club. Our problem has been keeping them. I've said several times here on BF that the reasons for this are many but one overarching theme cannot be disputed. AFC was not desirable enough for them to want to stay.
Based on this, the crux of the problem is less likely to be one of recruitment and list management and more focussed on internal culture, player development and remuneration (which is list management).
The culprits for these failings were identified through anonymous interview which gives respondents every chance to explain their own experiences.
Given the fallout from the review, it is pure scuttlebutt to insert our own belief into the findings. A report as critical and public as this was for the club, would have had too many eyes upon it to suggest a cover up.
Therefore, whatever the report suggested about recruitment and list management, it was not enough to warrant their removal.

 

[Thetrader15]

I've read this post several times as it contains some points I needed to contemplate for a minute.
However, I think you're blinded with your own bias. Let me explain...
Historically, AFC has produced as many good players as any club. Our problem has been keeping them. I've said several times here on BF that the reasons for this are many but one overarching theme cannot be disputed. AFC was not desirable enough for them to want to stay.
Based on this, the crux of the problem is less likely to be one of recruitment and list management and more focussed on internal culture, player development and remuneration (which is list management).
The culprits for these failings were identified through anonymous interview which gives respondents every chance to explain their own experiences.
Given the fallout from the review, it is pure scuttlebutt to insert our own belief into the findings. A report as critical and public as this was for the club, would have had too many eyes upon it to suggest a cover up.
Therefore, whatever the report suggested about recruitment and list management, it was not enough to warrant their removal.

I believe there has been a directive from the board to have an even pay distribution, which is not aligned with what is happening in the industry. This was the reason Cameron, Lever, McGovern, and to a lesser (or greater) extent, Bock and Davis left. They were offered big money and we didn't want to pay. Dangerfield left for what appeared to be non-monetary reasons (childhood dream, lifestyle, family, Melbourne's big lights).

Now Bock and Davis were offered mega bucks, so we would never have been able to match.

This appears to have changed recently, so let's see how our retention of players we want to keep goes.

 

[Mego Red]

Players on our list over 100 games

MacKay
Sloane
Walker
Smith
Talia
Laird
Brown
Lynch
Seedsman
Crouch
Kelly

If all were fit and available who wouldn't be picked?
If they were all available would our CBA's be dominated by Crouch Sloane & Laird?

50-100 games

Keays
Milera
Murphy
O'Brien

We need to fast track the under 50 games group

I guess the question is - how many physically immature kids can be played in the same side, before you start to do more damage than improvement to their development?

Maybe 10? A couple more?

I think if there's more than that you aren't teaching them properly, because young players are just surrounded by other young players who don't know what they're doing.

 

[Sanders]

Our recruiting was so poor that we picked up blokes like Greenwood, Keath, ROB, Cameron, Kelly and Hartigan as rookies under the current regime.

Show me a better recruiting list than that from rookies since 2013.

Oh no my fine feathered friend, why don’t you go have a look at some other teams instead of just assuming?

I might also remind you that we so valued Greenwood, Keath & Hartigan that we gave them away for nothing. So that list isn’t that impressive after all.

 

[Sanders]

I've read this post several times as it contains some points I needed to contemplate for a minute.
However, I think you're blinded with your own bias. Let me explain...
Historically, AFC has produced as many good players as any club. Our problem has been keeping them. I've said several times here on BF that the reasons for this are many but one overarching theme cannot be disputed. AFC was not desirable enough for them to want to stay.
Based on this, the crux of the problem is less likely to be one of recruitment and list management and more focussed on internal culture, player development and remuneration (which is list management).
The culprits for these failings were identified through anonymous interview which gives respondents every chance to explain their own experiences.
Given the fallout from the review, it is pure scuttlebutt to insert our own belief into the findings. A report as critical and public as this was for the club, would have had too many eyes upon it to suggest a cover up.
Therefore, whatever the report suggested about recruitment and list management, it was not enough to warrant their removal.

A guy who just joined has said several times?

 

[WetCrow1991]

Oh no my fine feathered friend, why don’t you go have a look at some other teams instead of just assuming?

I might also remind you that we so valued Greenwood, Keath & Hartigan that we gave them away for nothing. So that list isn’t that impressive after all.

And it is like being fine with losing $1000s on blackjack because you found $2 on the Casino toilet floor.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

A guy who just joined has said several times?

Mate... you really do think your all that don't ya ?
Just think if your nice to all the new posters you can impart all of your undoubted wisdom for years to come

 

[Sanders]

And it is like being fine with losing $1000s on blackjack because you found $2 on the Casino toilet floor.

I rate a couple of those blokes more highly than most, but when you pick up rookies and then give them away for 3rd/4th round level picks it’s not the big jackpot

 

[Sanders]

Mate... you really do think your all that don't ya ?

*don’t you

 

[Gtowncrow]

A guy who just joined has said several times?

My sincere apologies. I just haven't had time yet to repeat my mantra 30000 times. I'll double my efforts to keep up with the senior players repetitiveness.

 

[CROW in BALI]

Mate... you really do think your all that don't ya ?
Just think if your nice to all the new posters you can impart all of your undoubted wisdom for years to come

C’mon mate be fair, Sanders hates everyone, especially puppies . I think the guys avatar has slowly been doing his head in .

 

[Gtowncrow]

Mate... you really do think your all that don't ya ?
Just think if your nice to all the new posters you can impart all of your undoubted wisdom for years to come

All sweet here. Love the different opinions...and a bit of cheek back and forth. I'm happy to engage with everyone. I've seen enough seasons to sort the sheep from the goats. Don't much like condescension but who here would be like that? Aren't we all supporting the same team here.
Happy days

 

[Sanders]

C’mon mate be fair, Sanders hates everyone, especially puppies . I think the guys avatar has slowly been doing his head in .

What have puppies ever done for us!

Between them and the Romans it’s hard to work out who has been least useful

 

[Rags_118]

Our list was so bad that we made a grand final not that long ago.

Our recruiting was so poor that we picked up blokes like Greenwood, Keath, ROB, Cameron, Kelly and Hartigan as rookies under the current regime.

Show me a better recruiting list than that from rookies since 2013.

Richmond: Jake Aarts, Marion Pickett, Sydney Stack, Ivan Soldo, Kane Lambert, Jayden Short, Jason Castagna, Liam Baker, Mabior Chol. Not sure that Anthony Miles or Tyson Stengel are worth a mention.

 

[moogerfooger]

Our list was so bad that we made a grand final not that long ago.

Our recruiting was so poor that we picked up blokes like Greenwood, Keath, ROB, Cameron, Kelly and Hartigan as rookies under the current regime.

Show me a better recruiting list than that from rookies since 2013.

Our ability to draft rookies that turn into regular senior players has historically been very good. It's our inability to do the same at the pointy end that's cost us. Dangerfield is the last elite player we drafted first round and that was 14 years ago. Let's hope Thilthorpe will make it two.

 

[fortunatecrow]

Richmond: Jake Aarts, Marion Pickett, Sydney Stack, Ivan Soldo, Kane Lambert, Jayden Short, Jason Castagna, Liam Baker, Mabior Chol. Not sure that Anthony Miles or Tyson Stengel are worth a mention.

Full list of Rookies from 2013 compares very well to Richmond IMO:

2013 Charlie Cameron, James Battersby, Jake Kelly, Alex Spina
2014 Reilly O’Brien Keenan Ramsay Anthony Wilson
2015 Jonathon Beech, Hugh Greenwood, Alex Keath
2016 Sam Shaw, Ben Jarman
2017 Patrick Wilson, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Lachlan Murphy, Jackson Edwards
2018 Kieran Strachan, Paul Hunter, Jordan Butts
2019 Ben Keays, Ben Crocker
2020 B**** G****

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Really poor Membership Figures ...... Compare Perth's population of 2M versus Adelaide's 1.3M
But the disparity of Perth Clubs to Adelaide Clubs are stark .....also the disparity of WC v freo and Crows v Port also indicates Adelaide are really underperforming

There's no excuses ....Small Melbourne clubs are outperforming us ...

Ten clubs set records as Eagles just pip Richmond again: 2021 AFL membership ladder

TEN clubs set records as Eagles just pip rivals: 2021 AFL membership ladder

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[1990crow]

Really poor Membership Figures ...... Compare Perth's population of 2M versus Adelaide's 1.3M
But the disparity of Perth Clubs to Adelaide Clubs are stark .....also the disparity of WC v freo and Crows v Port also indicates Adelaide are really underperforming

There's no excuses ....Small Melbourne clubs are outperforming us ...

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Ten clubs set records as Eagles just pip Richmond again: 2021 AFL membership ladder

TEN clubs set records as Eagles just pip rivals: 2021 AFL membership ladder

www.foxsports.com.au

Eh. We increased by 6000. Trending upwards is good.
Plus I'm sure we have a more exclusive list of members ie paid seated members than a number of those above us on that list which would draw in far bigger revenue.

 

[DJ75]

C’mon mate be fair, Sanders hates everyone, especially puppies . I think the guys avatar has slowly been doing his head in .

Just block him like I did. Makes the world a much nicer place.

 

[jo172]

The member's list by raw numbers is the least consequential thing in the world.

That West Coast has over twice as many members as seats for them to sit in tells you everything you need to know.

 

[jackster83]

Really poor Membership Figures ...... Compare Perth's population of 2M versus Adelaide's 1.3M
But the disparity of Perth Clubs to Adelaide Clubs are stark .....also the disparity of WC v freo and Crows v Port also indicates Adelaide are really underperforming

There's no excuses ....Small Melbourne clubs are outperforming us ...

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Ten clubs set records as Eagles just pip Richmond again: 2021 AFL membership ladder

TEN clubs set records as Eagles just pip rivals: 2021 AFL membership ladder

www.foxsports.com.au

Massive LOL at all the Carlton bandwagoners thinking they'd be good this year.

 

[Crow till I die]

Massive LOL at all the Carlton bandwagoners thinking they'd be good this year.

Is this a GROTTO account...

 

[hey shorty]

Massive LOL at all the Carlton bandwagoners thinking they'd be good this year.

Also, weren't we told that Port would be higher than us this year ??

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Also, weren't we told that Port would be higher than us this year ??

Bahahahaha

they were trumpeting all last week that they’d be the biggest team in town

Cooking the books again

And they’re playing their best football since 2004

And we’re our worst ever side

Bahagahahaha

 

[aabp1978]

So even in a year when we are absolutely awful for the most part, having just come off a spoon and basically 3 years of turmoil, we still have more paid up members than little brother down the road...must make them feel "professionally jealous"....