NO TROLLS Taylor Walker racial slur

[Apsaalooke]

Totally agree.... apology, such as it was, did absolutely nothing for me!

Obviously not, but is has resonated with many, including Young who has much more of a personal stake in this than anyone here

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If Texs teammates are willing to forgive him and move on, then he's valuable enough to be welcomed back with open arms. If not, then it's time to move on.

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[spenze]

I haven’t watched the video and probably won’t but Kane offering any kind of opinion on Tex’s apology is cheap.

It makes a serious issue which so many such as Tony Armstrong have made powerful statements about into more fuel for Kane to use in his petty feud with Tex. I can’t help but think Kane just saw another opportunity for clicks and took advantage given his form.

Pretty much, there is a time and a place for it, he missed the mark by a long way.

 

[Cleric]

Notice though how in each example you’ve given, the adjective is used in such a way to imply that the individual is somehow lesser because of it - fat, bald, short, etc.

Australia unfortunately also has a long and shameful history of implying that Aboriginal Australians are somehow lesser, both overtly and in more subtle and ingrained ways. This has caused significant hurt and significant disadvantage to these people. There is history behind it, which makes a significant difference. I’m sure you can see how this is a problem.

I don’t know if Taylor Walker is racist, I suspect he isn’t but I don’t know him personally. What he said is racist, which is the point here.

I understand the historical oppression that Aboriginal people had to cope with.
It's a historical fact. But how that history effect people born today is debatable.
My ancestors were Armenian, and many of my family were murdered by the Turkish people during the Armenian genocide. It's a historical fact of my family, but it doesn't effect my life, nor do I hold a grudge against Turkish people now.
Here is a reality of this whole mess. The comment wasn't heard by Robbie Young, wasn't heard by many people at all, and it did no damage. I'm not saying it was ok for him to say, but it was said and there was no hurt felt by Young, or the Aboriginal community anywhere. The actions of the club and the result of it going public has caused more hurt to Robbie and the Aboriginal community than it would have if the club dealt with it in house.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Could be a Port troll. I tend to side-eye people with a low post count whose only contribution is bagging the club.

been signed up as an adelaide supporter since mid 2019.. not even 50 posts yet… but 16 posts just on this thread!.

you could be on the money..

 

[Soggy2112]

I understand the historical oppression that Aboriginal people had to cope with.
It's a historical fact. But how that history effect people born today is debatable.
My ancestors were Armenian, and many of my family were murdered by the Turkish people during the Armenian genocide. It's a historical fact of my family, but it doesn't effect my life, nor do I hold a grudge against Turkish people now.
Here is a reality of this whole mess. The comment wasn't heard by Robbie Young, wasn't heard by many people at all, and it did no damage. I'm not saying it was ok for him to say, but it was said and there was no hurt felt by Young, or the Aboriginal community anywhere. The actions of the club and the result of it going public has caused more hurt to Robbie and the Aboriginal community than it would have if the club dealt with it in house.

It was heard by an indigenous person at the club so they were hurt by it.

If it was dealt with in house and Taylor was given a slap on the wrist wouldn’t that set the precedent that this is kind of okay, and allow a toxic culture to fester?

If it was dealt with in house it’s inevitable somewhere down the line it’d get leaked and then how much worse would it be for indigenous people? They’d not only hear about it but have to hear that an AFL club didn’t punish the person responsible and tried to cover it up.

By making it public and punishing Tex, it gives the club the opportunity to show that if given the choice between defending their indigenous players and supporters and defending a club legend who vilified them, they’ll pick the former, that’s important.

Also, Indigenous people still face all kinds of mistreatment in society, both politically and socially, it’s better than it was but we’re far from finished in terms of improving it. I don’t know your experiences but I’m guessing it’s much easier to cope with the injustices your people experienced in the past if you don’t have to face reminders of it everyday.

 

[Mutineer]

Could be a Port troll. I tend to side-eye people with a low post count whose only contribution is bagging the club.

That was the feeling I also had until I saw he was an Adelaide "supporter" supposedly.
Maybe he is but as you say I also have my suspicions.

 

[WetCrow1991]

I understand the historical oppression that Aboriginal people had to cope with.
It's a historical fact. But how that history effect people born today is debatable.
My ancestors were Armenian, and many of my family were murdered by the Turkish people during the Armenian genocide. It's a historical fact of my family, but it doesn't effect my life, nor do I hold a grudge against Turkish people now.
Here is a reality of this whole mess. The comment wasn't heard by Robbie Young, wasn't heard by many people at all, and it did no damage. I'm not saying it was ok for him to say, but it was said and there was no hurt felt by Young, or the Aboriginal community anywhere. The actions of the club and the result of it going public has caused more hurt to Robbie and the Aboriginal community than it would have if the club dealt with it in house.

The oppression is ongoing my dude, in the same form and different forms. People stolen from their familes, their country and their culture are living.

With regards to the Armenian genocide, I'm guessing you don't live in either Turkey or Armenia currently? If so it isn't exactly the same thing, as horrific as the Armenian genocide was. People in this country live eveyday with their oppressors and the inhereintors of their oppressors, they live with constant reminders of multigenerational trauma that has been exacted upon them first by European invaders and then by the systems those Europeans created. The language, kinship and culture systematically stolen from so many people.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Why does anyone pay attention to the Five Minute Fireman?

That's catchy. Well played.

 

[subaru]

Well put. Reflects my assessment of the situation exactly.

Totally agree.... apology, such as it was, did absolutely nothing for me!

He wasn’t apologizing to you

So you're the self appointed arbiter of apologies now?....

like I said
It will never be enough for some of the perfect people on these boards

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I think my point was, what would affect the club negatively more, if tex stayed or retired.

A lot of the arguments within this thread are that it bringing him back next year could create division with him and the indigenous players, community etc and ultimately might negatively affect the image and respectability of the club, which is th emost important thing at the end of the day.

If his indigenous teammates refuse to forgive him, and he becomes a divisive figure within the club, I don't see how he can stay. I doubt this is the case though.

Ultimately we're going to have to accept there are people out there that will use this incident to smear the club regardless of the fact they're not responsible for what Tex said. I would just ignore these people. At every step of the way, the club has acted appropriately. They self reported, adhered to the peek rule, fronted the media and deferred to the AFL where necessary. I don't see what more we can expect from them.

 

[MRB37]

Struggle to believe Kane Cornes sometimes, his response to this has been nothing more than pathetic joyful grandstanding.

Kane needs to get it through his skull that outcome of this situation shouldn't be for it to create content for him and his chums to use in the media.

The reason they're mad he won't do live media rounds is because they want more ammo to use when they blather on with their talking heads shows.

 

[relapse]

I haven’t watched the video and probably won’t but Kane offering any kind of opinion on Tex’s apology is cheap.

It makes a serious issue which so many such as Tony Armstrong have made powerful statements about into more fuel for Kane to use in his petty feud with Tex. I can’t help but think Kane just saw another opportunity for clicks and took advantage given his form.

I agree

We all know the type of person that Kane is and that he will continue to flog this to death as a point scoring exercise.

 

[Crowmurder]

I agree

We all know the type of person that Kane is and that he will continue to flog this to death as a point scoring exercise.

I prefer to call him ‘Karen Cornes’

 

[subaru]

If his indigenous teammates refuse to forgive him, and he becomes a divisive figure within the club, I don't see how he can stay. I doubt this is the case though.

Ultimately we're going to have to accept there are people out there that will use this incident to smear the club regardless of the fact they're not responsible for what Tex said. I would just ignore these people. At every step of the way, the club has acted appropriately. They self reported, adhered to the peek rule, fronted the media and deferred to the AFL where necessary. I don't see what more we can expect from them.

 

[Iron]

I understand the historical oppression that Aboriginal people had to cope with.
It's a historical fact. But how that history effect people born today is debatable.
My ancestors were Armenian, and many of my family were murdered by the Turkish people during the Armenian genocide. It's a historical fact of my family, but it doesn't effect my life, nor do I hold a grudge against Turkish people now.
Here is a reality of this whole mess. The comment wasn't heard by Robbie Young, wasn't heard by many people at all, and it did no damage. I'm not saying it was ok for him to say, but it was said and there was no hurt felt by Young, or the Aboriginal community anywhere. The actions of the club and the result of it going public has caused more hurt to Robbie and the Aboriginal community than it would have if the club dealt with it in house.

Except the comment in question was quite literally about Robbie. It doesn't matter that he didn't happen to hear it, do you think he wasn't hurt once he found out what was said? Ask the guys who have played with Tex, or lived with him, were they hurt?

A real strange line to draw on what can and can't hurt people, and how quick a wrong doing can become a historical one and therefore no longer impactful?

 

[adelaidecrows]

Based on what I have observed over a long period of time we've had all the education in the world that racism is unexceptable and even more so in the last 14 months with BLM. Yet incidences of racism still occur. Is it because of lack of education? No. There is no excuse of ignorance. Tex Walker the wording of it and how he directed it was still racism but it wasn't the Aliir Aliir

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and Betts type stuff.

If I was to make an educated guess as to why something keeps occurring regardless of all the education, its boring old school yard bullying type stuff. Racism is used because of one reason; What does it do easily to the black community? Gets a reaction! Some people are just the C word, even as adults. It's just a fact. They thrive on being an alpha, pulling people down and making people miserable. It's a planned pre meditated strike for their own psych.

I am 100% of the belief, that if the media stopped dragging indigenous people out in front of the camera after every incident to say how hurt they are (they can be hurt its not about stopping that) but they removed the damage from the public eye as a strategy, I think incidences would fall.

This isn't victim shaming, it's just sometimes you have to play the game to get the win. Some deplorable people just want to watch the world burn. The people who vilified Betts and Aliir 100% do not care about the backlash of their comments. They got the win.

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[Mutineer]

 

[Apsaalooke]

I have a similar thought process but from a pure observation stand point. Based on what I have observed over a long period of time we've had all the education in the world that racism is unexceptable and even more so in the last 14 months with BLM. Yet incidences of racism still occur. Is it because of lack of education? No. There is no excuse of ignorance. Tex Walker the wording of it and how he directed it was still racism but it wasn't the Aliir Aliir and Betts type stuff.

If I was to make an educated guess as to why something keeps occurring regardless of all the education, its boring old school yard bullying type stuff. Racism is used because of one reason; What does it do easily to the black community? Gets a reaction! Some people are just the C word, even as adults. It's just a fact. They thrive on being an alpha, pulling people down and making people miserable. It's a planned pre meditated strike for their own psych.

I am 100% of the belief, that if the media stopped dragging indigenous people out in front of the camera after every incident to say how hurt they are (they can be hurt its not about stopping that) but they removed the damage from the public eye as a strategy, I think incidences would fall.

This isn't victim shaming, it's just sometimes you have to play the game to get the win. Some deplorable people just want to watch the world burn. The people who vilified Betts and Aliir 100% do not care about the backlash of their comments. They got the win.

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I think that's the difference between a true racist, who doesn't care or feel any remorse about their words or deeds, and a racist comment, where the person involved feels regret, either of their own volition or at least when they're called out.
It's like you don't have to be an complete idiot to occasionally do something idiotic.

 

[Murray2503]

I understand the historical oppression that Aboriginal people had to cope with.
It's a historical fact. But how that history effect people born today is debatable.
My ancestors were Armenian, and many of my family were murdered by the Turkish people during the Armenian genocide. It's a historical fact of my family, but it doesn't effect my life, nor do I hold a grudge against Turkish people now.
Here is a reality of this whole mess. The comment wasn't heard by Robbie Young, wasn't heard by many people at all, and it did no damage. I'm not saying it was ok for him to say, but it was said and there was no hurt felt by Young, or the Aboriginal community anywhere. The actions of the club and the result of it going public has caused more hurt to Robbie and the Aboriginal community than it would have if the club dealt with it in house.

The rascist remark was directed at Young but the offended party was the official. Whether Young heard it or not is irrelevant. Apparently the official was indigenous who heard the comment and was offended. It wouldn't have mattered to the official whether it was directed at them or not. The person Walker should chiefly be apologising to is the official who unfortunately through no fault of their own had to hear that rubbish. He should also be apologising to Young who it was directed at but the official is the one who suffered the most harm by hearing it. There has not been a lot of focus on this party I guess due to the party wanting to remain anonymous. I don't know where a grown man gets off shouting rascist remarks in front of the public and kids. Kids should never hold up sporting idols as heroes. The real heroes generally aren't on the sporting field.

 

[Crow54]

I have a similar thought process but from a pure observation stand point. Based on what I have observed over a long period of time we've had all the education in the world that racism is unexceptable and even more so in the last 14 months with BLM. Yet incidences of racism still occur. Is it because of lack of education? No. There is no excuse of ignorance. Tex Walker the wording of it and how he directed it was still racism but it wasn't the Aliir Aliir and Betts type stuff.

If I was to make an educated guess as to why something keeps occurring regardless of all the education, its boring old school yard bullying type stuff. Racism is used because of one reason; What does it do easily to the black community? Gets a reaction! Some people are just the C word, even as adults. It's just a fact. They thrive on being an alpha, pulling people down and making people miserable. It's a planned pre meditated strike for their own psych.

But if the comment is made without the recipient hearing it, is it still bullying? In this situation, if the Adelaide Crows' official hadn't heard it, no-one, except Matt Crouch, would've heard it or known. So Tex wasn't doing it to get a reaction from the person in question.

I am 100% of the belief, that if the media stopped dragging indigenous people out in front of the camera after every incident to say how hurt they are (they can be hurt its not about stopping that) but they removed the damage from the public eye as a strategy, I think incidences would fall.

This isn't victim shaming, it's just sometimes you have to play the game to get the win. Some deplorable people just want to watch the world burn. The people who vilified Betts and Aliir 100% do not care about the backlash of their comments. They got the win.

On SM-N981B using BigFooty.com mobile app

Agree with you there. Also, do you sometimes wonder if some indigenous people are almost bullied into feeling offended?

 

[Crow54]

The rascist remark was directed at Young but the offended party was the official. Whether Young heard it or not is irrelevant. Apparently the official was indigenous who heard the comment and was offended. It wouldn't have mattered to the official whether it was directed at them or not. The person Walker should chiefly be apologising to is the official who unfortunately through no fault of their own had to hear that rubbish. He should also be apologising to Young who it was directed at but the official is the one who suffered the most harm by hearing it. There has not been a lot of focus on this party I guess due to the party wanting to remain anonymous. I don't know where a grown man gets off shouting rascist remarks in front of the public and kids. Kids should never hold up sporting idols as heroes. The real heroes generally aren't on the sporting field.

Was he shouting? I guess others would've also heard it then. Has anyone else come forward to say they heard Tex shouting out his remark?

 

[subaru]

Was he shouting? I guess others would've also heard it then. Has anyone else come forward to say they heard Tex shouting out his remark?

We won’t ever know

Transparency is a one way street

 

[conVINCEd]

Obviously not, but is has resonated with many, including Young who has much more of a personal stake in this than anyone here

I respect the fact that people, particularly Indigenous Australians, can have their own view on the whole situation and Tex’s apology.

I don’t get though how the likes of Damien Barrett and even Nat Edwards can slam Tex for having Robbie Young in the video and for Tex saying he would ‘lean on’ Robbie for support.

At first I thought it was odd too, but clearly Robbie Young agreed to be in the video and is willing to be part of a process of healing with Tex.

That’s his decision and others criticising that fact attempts to deny him his own agency.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

That's catchy. Well played.

I might copyright it. But all of you gals and guys on here can have a royalty free perpetual license to use it.