In the 1931 semi final when Soapy Vallence kicked 11 goals, Jack Regan was still an 18 year old playing his 12th game of senior footy. Regan wasn't playing full back.
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Actually Regan was 19yo and he was in his second year of senior footy. Granted he may have not lined up on Vallence for the whole match, but not sure you could definitively say he didn't play fullback during the game, unless you have a source?
Still, the point of the post, which was that Regan had more double figure bags kicked against him that Silvagni, holds true.
Yes. That assumption of yours wipes away all the examples I quoted
Still active old boy? You've been very quiet in recent times...Actually Regan was 19yo and he was in his second year of senior footy. Granted he may have not lined up on Vallence for the whole match, but not sure you could definitively say he didn't play fullback during the game, unless you have a source?
Still, the point of the post, which was that Regan had more double figure bags kicked against him that Silvagni, holds true.
Yes. That assumption of yours wipes away all the examples I quoted
FWIW 9 ToC's and a very comparable spread of goalkickers, albeit a different era.
Dunstall (1254 goals) - ToC
Lockett (1360 goals) - ToC (x2 as FF ahead of both Mohr and Pratt)
Ablett (1030 goals) - ToC
Richardson (800 goals) - ToC
Carey (727 goals) - ToC
Modra (588 - 165 games) - Toc
Sumich (514 goals, 150 games) - ToC (ToD x2)
Lyon (426 goals) - ToC
Hird (343 goals) - ToC
Rocca - (748 goals, 157 games)
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Didn't put that particularly well. There was a phase there for a few years were the umpires were red hot on players caught behind trying to impact the contest if there was even an extremely minor infringement. Appears to have calmed down over the past year or two
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Fair comment but SOS is still a catholic ......
Fwiw ..... Thought jock mchale should have been the coach !!!!!
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How many B and F's did Ablett win as a FF??????Pratt was famously "spectacular, but not very effective."
As the committeeman said when explaining why he didn't win South's B&F in his 150-game season.
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I've said it elsewhere and it's probably been posted elsewhere but only one pure fullback ever won the Brownlow- Fred Goldsmith...
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This is an argument I never understood.
Sure SoS used to scrag, won't argue that for a second. But so did everyone else back then and it was basically within the rules. If he did anything so outrageous, why didn't give away a free kick every contest?
Yet despite the ridiculous rules favouring FBs (or was it just SoS?) guys like Ablett, Dunstall and Lockett used to kick 100+ goals a season at will. Other factors like man-on-man defence, open forward lines and the ability to put hands in the back at will, favoured the forwards.
Yet Silvagni was still the best in the business at keeping these all-time greats under control (much of the time).
SOS himself was embarrassed by the selection at the time (from 4:29):
As I am only 24 I have never seen Dench or Southby play, and I only have passing memories of Langford. Silvagni is easily the best full back I have ever personally watched. He played against, and routinely beat, the best full forwards the game has ever seen. Knew how to kick a goal as well.
I think it's a bit unfair that so much vitriol is being directed towards SOS. He didn't ask to be selected ahead of others.
One also needs to remember that he won multiple AAs after his selection to further prove the worthiness of his inclusion.
As I am only 24 I have never seen Dench or Southby play, and I only have passing memories of Langford. Silvagni is easily the best full back I have ever personally watched. He played against, and routinely beat, the best full forwards the game has ever seen. Knew how to kick a goal as well.
I think it's a bit unfair that so much vitriol is being directed towards SOS. He didn't ask to be selected ahead of others.
One also needs to remember that he won multiple AAs after his selection to further prove the worthiness of his inclusion.
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SOS played on all the great forwards we talk about.
Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett...arguably the best 3 key forwards of all time and he played on them all, and often won the contest.
I didnt see much of the other guys, and I'm sure they were great in their own right, but to say SOS is undeserving is a bit rich.
Lockett, Dunstall, Ablett...arguably the best 3 key forwards of all time and he played on them all, and often won the contest.
I didnt see much of the other guys, and I'm sure they were great in their own right, but to say SOS is undeserving is a bit rich.
This is spot on. Throw Carey and Hird in along with Lockett, Dunstall and Ablett. These are all-time greats of the game. And Silvagni regularly beat these guys head-to-head at FB or CHB, didn't matter. Now if you want to rate another FB higher than SOS, then go right ahead; but to claim as undeserving, a guy who beat this array of forwards more than any other defender in his time, is just stupidity.
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Jack Regan is a fascinating character.
He retired in 1942 and his thoughts can be found in the Army News of 29 January 1942. In the article he was named as the greatest fullback since Vic Thorp and named Bob Pratt as the most difficult full forward. He retired after 11 years leaving a good public service job to join a Salesian community in Sunbury as a lay brother.
Also before him was Vic Thorp the Richmond defender.
Given that Regan retired 50 years before he was not likely to get much support for team of the century.
He retired in 1942 and his thoughts can be found in the Army News of 29 January 1942. In the article he was named as the greatest fullback since Vic Thorp and named Bob Pratt as the most difficult full forward. He retired after 11 years leaving a good public service job to join a Salesian community in Sunbury as a lay brother.
Also before him was Vic Thorp the Richmond defender.
Given that Regan retired 50 years before he was not likely to get much support for team of the century.
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So did Dustin Fletcher.
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all this focus on silvagni when the centre half back is a midget and a ruckmen in the back pocket
sure the best players need to selected but a resemblance of a real side needs to be considered to have any credibility.
sure the best players need to selected but a resemblance of a real side needs to be considered to have any credibility.
I wonder how old these people are who claim SOS "routinely" towelled up these great full forwards?
It's not that this is just untrue, but I can't quite believe it's anymore than Chinese whispers that has lead people to repeat this myth.
It's not that this is just untrue, but I can't quite believe it's anymore than Chinese whispers that has lead people to repeat this myth.
Would love to see some sort of break down of goal average from big FFs when he was playing on them compared to when he wasn't.
Someone did one for Max Hudghton on the Saints board once that showed that David Neitz of all people was the only one who didn't do worse against him.
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And?
SOS was the better full back and Fletcher hasnt even retired yet so I dont get the point of your post.
SOS regularly didn't play against these guys either. I saw Michael Sexton and Peter Dean amongst others take their turns
Anyone interested in Gary Ablett Snr's views on the subject might get a bit of chuckle if they google it, we'll unless you're on team SOS. Then it's not pretty reading
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who else would have question marks against their position in the side based on height, weight and position?
My guess is about half.
My guess is about half.
