The 2011/12 Trade/Draft/Delist SuperMegaUltraThread!!!

[PRANKSTER666]

MacKenzie and Schofield plus 3rd talls in Brennan. We then draft another, McGovern is touted as a CHB, Waters and Hurn can play as 3rd talls down back, J Jones is 190 cm same size as Darling. Hopefully Glass can play for 1>2 years, Rance is out of contract in 2013 and if the Tigers are still doing what the Tigers do (which is never play finals) we should be in a great position to trade for him.

As for Brown he was drafted in 2006, debut first round 2007 at the SCG (actually was there, great game, won by 1 point)

But Brown has had a seriously stop / start career and seems injury prone, yes he does have ability but now he's going in for shoulder surgery.

If we need to offer this guy up and he's willing top go in order to get an O'Meara or another top line gun mid we should do it.

You simply cannot point at what Brown has achieved to argue we should keep him as he really hasn't achieved much at all to date.

Emac is pretty injury prone too. The rest of those guys you have mentioned are either not key position defenders or so far away from getting a game, let alone being kept on our list medium term it is not funny.

You then say we should draft another key back, well we won't have many good picks for some time, and the big guys take a while to develop.

We will be keeping Brown unless he asks to be traded, hence while we recently signed him. Still not convinced Schofiled can play on the big forwards either, so you have left the list very thin in Glass's retirement.

 

[WCE_Phill]

Re: Josh Hill

At least Ebert puts his head over the ball.

Hill is soft and piss's himself when he hears foot steps...just like his name-sake down the road.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Re: Josh Hill

I'd take him for a second rounder or something like that.

 

[BadSeed]

Re: Josh Hill

Yeh 1 year left. IMO id throw a 2nd rounder for Hill + 3rd or 4th round pick. In a new environment, with a new physical shape (too skinny atm) he could excel in the forward pocket.

He's out of contract this year, and looking at this..
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t-the-crossroads/story-e6frf9jf-1226069728948

No thanks

 

[flipper]

Josh Hill is a Hungarian salad. Goat, crab and spud, with a dash of urine freshly scared from the bladder of Cale Morton. Do not want!

agreed... im sure that the sunday time/west australian print that rumour every year.

i think their quality reporting strategy is find a WA player that is struggling at an interstate club and include the name in some fluffy crap piece of reporting that was probably written by a room full of monkeys tapping away on typewriters

 

[Le Class]

Do not want H Bennell. Saw him out on the town Saturday night, the guy is a douche of the highest order. He may have some skill and pace but he is a first class ****.

Has really has a bad attitude toward footy and won't be AFL listed in 5 years.

Brandon Matera on the other hand I would give overs for.

 

[flipper]

We really should pick up Alroy Gilligan.

I reckon should also have a look at del-olio, broadhurst as a psd or rookie

I would like to stay away from most names mentioned on here ala hill, bennell, wellingham etc etc

also think brown is overrated by a lot of posters but i dont think we should get rid of him as there isnt a lot behind him as backup for our defence

 

[neng]

Have said Gilligan's name before and will say it again, the guy has jets on his feet and some brilliant footskills, would take him late in the National Draft if we had enough room for him.

Edit: I think Broadhurst is an interesting one, but with our forwardline the way it is, we don't need a third-tall as such, we need crumbers. Dell'olio I don't know as well, but have seen him kick a few crumbing goals, would have a look at him.

 

[Obeanie1]

Emac is pretty injury prone too. The rest of those guys you have mentioned are either not key position defenders or so far away from getting a game, let alone being kept on our list medium term it is not funny.

You then say we should draft another key back, well we won't have many good picks for some time, and the big guys take a while to develop.

We will be keeping Brown unless he asks to be traded, hence while we recently signed him. Still not convinced Schofiled can play on the big forwards either, so you have left the list very thin in Glass's retirement.

EMac and Schofield are KP defenders, lets not beat around the bush.

J Jones I can see being similar to Bolton from the Swans and very good 3rd tall backman. Then we have McGovern who is a project CHB / ruckman and also Darling who IMO would be a very good rebounding 3rd tall similar but better than Hunter.

The entire point you make is moot if Brown continues to be injured all the time, whats the point in having someone with ability if they seem to be continually getting injured and unavailable. Even if he stays we remain thin because the guy can't stay on the park for long periods.

Sounds like we will be drafting another KP defender anyway based on this discussion as either way we end up thin down back in a couple of years time.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

EMac and Schofield are KP defenders, lets not beat around the bush.

J Jones I can see being similar to Bolton from the Swans and very good 3rd tall backman. Then we have McGovern who is a project CHB / ruckman and also Darling who IMO would be a very good rebounding 3rd tall similar but better than Hunter.

The entire point you make is moot if Brown continues to be injured all the time, whats the point in having someone with ability if they seem to be continually getting injured and unavailable. Even if he stays we remain thin because the guy can't stay on the park for long periods.

Sounds like we will be drafting another KP defender anyway based on this discussion as either way we end up thin down back in a couple of years time.

We will have to disagree. I don't believe Schofield can hold down a key post on a gorilla forward like Dawes or Cloke, not if we want to win a premiership anyway. He is being used as a third tall who can play tall or small and rebounds.

With most teams having two key forwards and resting ruckman you really need three backs who can play big. Jordan Jones can not be asked to play on a Cloke/Dawes/Brown/Jolly type, he has been played through the midfield all year.

I was under the impression Mcgovern has been playing ruck/forward all year and throughout his junior days? Are you just making stuff up now to suit your argument?

Sure Brown has had his fair share of injuries, but he is not alone and I don't think he is gumbleton type injury risk.

Darling back too? How about Kennedy or NicNat? Brown isnt going anywhere, you don't develop key backs like him to trade him off, he is still only 22 FFS, and won't peak for a while yet.

Thank god you are not in our recruitment team.

 

[mezaire]

Anyone think C.Wilson for J.Hill would be a good trade???

Edit: Fair trade??

 

[WCE_phil]

We will have to disagree. I don't believe Schofield can hold down a key post on a gorilla forward like Dawes or Cloke, not if we want to win a premiership anyway. He is being used as a third tall who can play tall or small and rebounds.

With most teams having two key forwards and resting ruckman you really need three backs who can play big. Jordan Jones can not be asked to play on a Cloke/Dawes/Brown/Jolly type, he has been played through the midfield all year.

I was under the impression Mcgovern has been playing ruck/forward all year and throughout his junior days? Are you just making stuff up now to suit your argument?

Sure Brown has had his fair share of injuries, but he is not alone and I don't think he is gumbleton type injury risk.

Darling back too? How about Kennedy or NicNat? Brown isnt going anywhere, you don't develop key backs like him to trade him off, he is still only 22 FFS, and won't peak for a while yet.

Thank god you are not in our recruitment team.

I have mentioned before that i think mcgovern can become a better version of a beau wilkes utility type and will hopefully end up at CHB. He has a good leap, reads the play quite well and has really good hands. His inside awareness needs a bit of work and he needs a lot of work on his fitness. His fitness levels are similar to where cox was when he came to the club.

With mcgovern he really is coming from a very long way back and is the definition of a project player.

Our other tall rookie hamp is less promising imo. He is basically lead, mark, goal (or in his case as many points as goals with a few oob as well). Is a lot like ash hansen but while having much better hands he is shorter and agility is at similar levels to big red. Has heart though so could make it.

houlihan, broome, jon need delisting. Broome doesnt live the livestyle of an afl footballer and with where he is coming from that is just not going to get the job done. too small.

jon has run his race. has talent but due to a long string of issues (physical, mental, learning difficulties) just hasn't made it and its turned him into an angry young man. Such a waste.

houlihan i really held a lot of hope for but with the slicing of his foot it just killed his development and his kicking was never afl standard to begin with.

dalziell is too slow, has poor decision making, poor agility and is a terrible kick. super endurance and a big body. I dont think he'll get picked up at gws but could be a good rookie for them for a season.

bones has run his race, one of my favourite players and even weeks ago thought he still had a lot to offer at both afl and wafl level. AFAIK he is going to retire from both levels and move onto the next chapter of his life.

neates i hope to have moved from the main list to the rookie list. i think he has talent and whilst small could possibly play a role for us. A lot like colyer and while not quite as dynamic he is a much better kick. Those 2 inches of height colyer has on him may be the difference when it comes to an extended afl career though.

Think callum wilson will either be traded or delisted, have heard rumours of inquiries for strijk from an eastern states club, have heard multiple inquiries about stevens (hope he stays) and am almost certain that we will lose a young inside mid to another club this year. Whether that is ebert, swift or stevens we'll see.

Adam selwood will be signing a contract afaik but i had really hoped he would go to gws as i think he could have been their first captain and has a lot more to offer them than us.

Hoping we can get a mini draft pick but its looking less likely by the day and wouldnt be completely against losing lynch plus a young mid if thats what needs to get the deal done. Even if we do get one im 99% certain it wont be the first pick which means unless a miracle occurs we won't have o'meara on our list.

As far as drafting goes im hoping we trade out our first pick and maybe a couple of players to try and fill a couple of needs. Really like the looks of gilligan but to get him i think we'll need to use a national draft pick or possibly do a deal with GWS.

 

[WCE_phil]

Anyone think C.Wilson for J.Hill would be a good trade???

Edit: Fair trade??

They have matt panos who is a like for like as far as wilson is concerned and i wouldnt want josh hill on our main list.

 

[eagles rule]

would like to add Gilligan .Mark Hutchings ,Kyal Horsley as late picks or rookies also like a guy from perth that looks ok Michael Florio .

 

[tesseract]

Re: Josh Hill

Sold.

Don't know what you guys see in him as he's not AFL standard.

I argued against getting him last year, and my position hasn't changed. Yet, we'll still see some Eagles fans who think he's better than what he is. Josh Hill has a pea heart.

 

[WCE_phil]

Re: Josh Hill

I argued against getting him last year, and my position hasn't changed. Yet, we'll still see some Eagles fans who think he's better than what he is. Josh Hill has a pea heart.

I was wrong last year, he has a pea heart. He's good friends with mcdougall and tambling.

 

[vWestCoast]

Do not want H Bennell. Saw him out on the town Saturday night, the guy is a douche of the highest order. He may have some skill and pace but he is a first class ****.

Has really has a bad attitude toward footy and won't be AFL listed in 5 years.

Brandon Matera on the other hand I would give overs for.

This. Now some of his mates and the crew he's with. Not a good bunch of kids I'll tell you that.

If he is back in Perth than he will go back to his old life. Very very skillful player but it's best if he's away from WA.

 

[jknothimjustafan]

Would we want to take Motlop as part of the Ebert trade? There is now way they will offer their first rounder and their second rounder probably isn't enough, would adding a oldish/inconsistent but very talented forward be enough?

Or as an alternative, if Port get a late compensation pick (3rd or 4th round) they could throw that in. Wouldn't be used this year obviously but might be valuable in future years in stronger drafts (or drafts where gws/gc aren't dominating the top end)

 

[Obeanie1]

We will have to disagree. I don't believe Schofield can hold down a key post on a gorilla forward like Dawes or Cloke, not if we want to win a premiership anyway. He is being used as a third tall who can play tall or small and rebounds.

With most teams having two key forwards and resting ruckman you really need three backs who can play big. Jordan Jones can not be asked to play on a Cloke/Dawes/Brown/Jolly type, he has been played through the midfield all year.

I was under the impression Mcgovern has been playing ruck/forward all year and throughout his junior days? Are you just making stuff up now to suit your argument?

Sure Brown has had his fair share of injuries, but he is not alone and I don't think he is gumbleton type injury risk.

Darling back too? How about Kennedy or NicNat? Brown isnt going anywhere, you don't develop key backs like him to trade him off, he is still only 22 FFS, and won't peak for a while yet.

Thank god you are not in our recruitment team.

Stop being a w***er.

I don't "make stuff up to suit my argument" and if thats how you go about trying debating a topic then I can't even be bothered discussing the issue with you

For some reason my tolerance for childish behaviour is quite low this morning.

 

[Ted38]

Anyone think C.Wilson for J.Hill would be a good trade???

Edit: Fair trade??

Be a real good trade unfortunately the Bulldogs wouldn't think so.

 

[new breed]

Hams to be added to the main list , just a Players Payments Deal techicality holding up the deal . Well deserved by Hams , happy for him and will be a handy player to have in the squad .

The article suggests Jones is gone obviously . Dalziell , Wilson and Neates in the gun . The journo is just speculating , I thought we would keep Neates maybe rookie is a good idea .


http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/10348029/hams-in-line-for-new-eagles-deal/

 

[The Passenger]

anyone reckon tyson goldsack is a bloke we should be looking at??

may feel a bit on the outer at collingwood.

maybe i'm overrating him but i reckon he is a gun. can play either end of the ground adam hunter style, could be used as a tagger for guys of the adam goodes variety...

 

[Special Agent Utah]

anyone reckon tyson goldsack is a bloke we should be looking at??

may feel a bit on the outer at collingwood.

maybe i'm overrating him but i reckon he is a gun. can play either end of the ground adam hunter style, could be used as a tagger for guys of the adam goodes variety...

Don't think he is a gun but definately someone worth looking at.

 

[kane249]

Would we want to take Motlop as part of the Ebert trade? There is now way they will offer their first rounder and their second rounder probably isn't enough, would adding a oldish/inconsistent but very talented forward be enough?

Or as an alternative, if Port get a late compensation pick (3rd or 4th round) they could throw that in. Wouldn't be used this year obviously but might be valuable in future years in stronger drafts (or drafts where gws/gc aren't dominating the top end)

Motlop is too old and too lazy, do not want

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Stop being a w***er.

I don't "make stuff up to suit my argument" and if thats how you go about trying debating a topic then I can't even be bothered discussing the issue with you

For some reason my tolerance for childish behaviour is quite low this morning.

I wish my tolerance for stupidity was as low as yours is for childish behavior, so I wouldn't need to respond to the suggestion we should trade Mitch Brown at the age of 22. If we put him on the market we would get a call from every single club within 24 hours.