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Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread
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And rightfully so. He has done nothing to deserve to a 7th and 8th year. Shit he did nothing too deserve a 1st year except use his friendship with Ed, Pert and Kelly to knife Malthouse.
He's a snake in the grass that lets his own self interest and misuse of the slogan "side by side" to justify mediocrity and "sticking fat" with his leadership. Yet he had zero "side by side" loyalty for Malthouse as soon as he retired did he? Chickens coming home to roost no doubt, reap what you sow etc etc
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Clarkson (and Longmire) work for well governed, well managed clubs. Why would they chuck that in and come to Cwood? Not everything is about a bucket load of cash
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Who said anything about bucket load of cash?
Anyway, some coaches like a challenge of going to another club, maybe not us with a large number of supporters that don't understand that with an expanded league, a fixture that is fixed, a drafting system that was un balanced, the fact that some clubs have their own academies, etc it is a lot harder to be successful as there is another group of teams trying just as much.
Especially this year which has been a really strange one.
Who were the cats missing? Selwood, Hawkins, who else?
As for the +1, what reason did Roos give for his opinion?
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As for the plus one, as soon as they played with a plus one we didn't look like scoring.
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I don't know what the club is thinking at the moment. The speculation of Buckley's future was quelled in the short-term when Pert announced that Buckley would remain senior coach for the remainder of the year, but beyond that no one is sure of what the club is planning to do.
Eddie has asserted that the decision won't be made based on the performances that we've produced after the Essendon match when the rumours of Buckley's immediate coaching future were extinguished for the short-term. If Eddie is being truthful, then the club will obviously assess what we've produced this year and potentially assess his coaching performances from previous years and whether this has satisfied the expectations of the club internally.
The club has made noises about pushing for the finals in the last few years, which I always thought was somewhat unrealistic, especially in 2014 and 2015 when a rebuild of some sorts was being undertaken, but I wonder whether they truly expected us to be pushing for the 8 in these years or whether this was a way to convince supporters to renew or sign up for their memberships. If these expectations were being espoused both internally and externally, then Buckley has clearly fallen short of that mark and it would be difficult to mount an argument to extend his contract.
However, my gut feeling for a while has been that he would remain senior coach beyond this year, but a significant shake up of the football department and assistant coaches would occur, similar to what we saw with Richmond last year, but maybe it will not eventuate that way however. I feel that if Buckley was on the verge of not being renewed as coach, then the media would have started speculating about his demise already, which hasn't been apparent recently.
I don't think he's been a bad coach this year and he's been gradually improving from year to year as he attains more experience as a senior coach, but fundamentally the same issues under him have continued to rear their ugly head in relation to the game plan and he hasn't delivered on results. We've been having these debates dating back to 2014/2015 and I suspect if most thought we'd been here two or three years later stagnating and showing little progression in terms of wins and losses, then most would have understood that the potential for him to depart is very likely.
I just hope that when the club makes this important decision that it makes the right one, rather than the popular one, because any further setbacks from here could lead to a wasted decade for the club, similar to what we saw in the mid to late 90s. Arguably, we've lost about half a decade under this current system, and further setbacks beyond this year would be harmful for the club, so the club has reached the crossroads here and now is required to make an informed decision. Either back the coach and give him everything you afford to give him, or move him on and start again.
I don't think the club can endure another situation of another one-year extension where the speculation on the coach's future becomes endless once again this time next year, so if Buckley is extended, I think it needs to be at least two years.
Whatever happens, I will continue supporting the club with my membership, as no specific individual defines my love and passion for the football club, but it shouldn't necessarily be construed as an implicit endorsement of how the club is operating both on and off the field.
I've waffled on a bit now, but I'm trying to be as objective as possible in a time where emotions are running high on this issue.
Eddie has asserted that the decision won't be made based on the performances that we've produced after the Essendon match when the rumours of Buckley's immediate coaching future were extinguished for the short-term. If Eddie is being truthful, then the club will obviously assess what we've produced this year and potentially assess his coaching performances from previous years and whether this has satisfied the expectations of the club internally.
The club has made noises about pushing for the finals in the last few years, which I always thought was somewhat unrealistic, especially in 2014 and 2015 when a rebuild of some sorts was being undertaken, but I wonder whether they truly expected us to be pushing for the 8 in these years or whether this was a way to convince supporters to renew or sign up for their memberships. If these expectations were being espoused both internally and externally, then Buckley has clearly fallen short of that mark and it would be difficult to mount an argument to extend his contract.
However, my gut feeling for a while has been that he would remain senior coach beyond this year, but a significant shake up of the football department and assistant coaches would occur, similar to what we saw with Richmond last year, but maybe it will not eventuate that way however. I feel that if Buckley was on the verge of not being renewed as coach, then the media would have started speculating about his demise already, which hasn't been apparent recently.
I don't think he's been a bad coach this year and he's been gradually improving from year to year as he attains more experience as a senior coach, but fundamentally the same issues under him have continued to rear their ugly head in relation to the game plan and he hasn't delivered on results. We've been having these debates dating back to 2014/2015 and I suspect if most thought we'd been here two or three years later stagnating and showing little progression in terms of wins and losses, then most would have understood that the potential for him to depart is very likely.
I just hope that when the club makes this important decision that it makes the right one, rather than the popular one, because any further setbacks from here could lead to a wasted decade for the club, similar to what we saw in the mid to late 90s. Arguably, we've lost about half a decade under this current system, and further setbacks beyond this year would be harmful for the club, so the club has reached the crossroads here and now is required to make an informed decision. Either back the coach and give him everything you afford to give him, or move him on and start again.
I don't think the club can endure another situation of another one-year extension where the speculation on the coach's future becomes endless once again this time next year, so if Buckley is extended, I think it needs to be at least two years.
Whatever happens, I will continue supporting the club with my membership, as no specific individual defines my love and passion for the football club, but it shouldn't necessarily be construed as an implicit endorsement of how the club is operating both on and off the field.
I've waffled on a bit now, but I'm trying to be as objective as possible in a time where emotions are running high on this issue.
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Wrong
Hypothetically, let's say the club re-appoints Buckley for whatever term in Hardwick style fashion by removing those around him.... Then if we make the eight next season, we all live happily everafter.... right?
But wait!! Unlike Richmond this season, what if we dont make the eight in 2018?
Would the pies masses and media release fire and fury like the world has never seen before? And would that not only spell the end of Bucks, but could it also mean the end of Ed?
Bl00dy big risk to take if you ask me. Good luck with your decision and member marketing plan Ed!
But wait!! Unlike Richmond this season, what if we dont make the eight in 2018?
Would the pies masses and media release fire and fury like the world has never seen before? And would that not only spell the end of Bucks, but could it also mean the end of Ed?
Bl00dy big risk to take if you ask me. Good luck with your decision and member marketing plan Ed!
Yes it would. Ed be stupid to take that risk.
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Hopefully a decision is made one way or the other on Tuesday.
Well looking at majority of the comments on here, lm sure one of the topics discussed about Bucks internally is, if he is reappointed, how does the club sell that to the members, supporters and sponsors.
I was, as of the last couple of months, a supporter of extending Bucks to the end of 2019. This was mainly because of the players support for him and the stability this will have on the footy department.
Im now not to sure if Bucks himself will stay. I think the undecisiveness of the club, has weighed on Bucks. If the club we definate he was the coach to take them forward, the club would have signed him by now.
So l can see uncertainty on both sides, and about 4 weeks ago, l was sure Bucks would be coaching the club next year, now lm starting to feel both will mutually part ways.
I was, as of the last couple of months, a supporter of extending Bucks to the end of 2019. This was mainly because of the players support for him and the stability this will have on the footy department.
Im now not to sure if Bucks himself will stay. I think the undecisiveness of the club, has weighed on Bucks. If the club we definate he was the coach to take them forward, the club would have signed him by now.
So l can see uncertainty on both sides, and about 4 weeks ago, l was sure Bucks would be coaching the club next year, now lm starting to feel both will mutually part ways.
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You could be right. Bucks has handled himself with class all year but it must be taking a toll. He could quite easily decide to step out of coaching and back into the media.
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Valid point.
The Club does think about, or should, how to "sell" whatever decision it makes to members.
But one thing the Club should never ever do, is think about selling to the cyberspace crowd. It s weighted far too heavily to give voice to the loud negative nasty crowd.
Ofcourse there's lots of good ones there. But like all good things the nasty edge often has the loudest voice.
It looks as though The decision has been made. Bucks looks comfortable to me
You couldn't sell it to members as many have had enough
More like he is arrogant enough to take the risk
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And that's never happened before in the history of football? Some extreme exaggeration going on here.
We are an average side, playing some average football, and we let another good lead slip. Very disappointing. Some poor coaching no doubt, together with inexperience.
Bucks may very well fall on his sword in the next week or so. But is it necessary to 'catastrophise' everything?
Personally as much as I would like Nathan to succeed as he was my hero along with daicos, I think it is honestly time for a change. Things just have not panned out well with Nathan in charge to say the least. Yes, things have gone against him but that is quite common in the industry. The game plan us no good, and really had he not been so stubborn and negated the +1 Geelong had we would of won yesterday and ruined their party.
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I love Bucks and think he is a great man and believe he will go onto do good work of some type at another club. But I hope you are right and that he is moving on as the club can not take the risk of the situation continuing.
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In part this language reflects supporters' frustration over 6 years of on field decline as well as being a response to the Emperor's smooth talking spin
I bet a decision or announcement won't be made on Tuesday
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It is a repeat pattern that has happened all year including in games where we've had the experience edge. It has me really scratching my head to understand tbh. The difference between our play within the one game from quarter to quarter is too extreme. If we are that easily shut down and transformed by other teams then our game plan is a joke. We know its not the effort of the players so it's either a coaching or fitness issue or both. I go both... But mainly coaching obstinance and inflexibility.
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