List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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• One on either main OR rookie list to be filled as a SSP selection following train on assessments

Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Principle would be the same.

Splitting pick 3 for multiple options.

Which option is a better outcome for us? A single player or multiole players in an even deep draft?

Only time will tell. It's not as bad as it looked at first blush, but a lot depends on Allan developing into a genuine mid, or an AA level half back.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

For the love of god we need an accumulation midfielder, take moraes

I see Moraes as more outside mid. Gross would be the best accumulator left on the board

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Make if it of what you will, but Adam Papalia last night on 6PR suggesting as par of the trade with Richmond, there was a gentlemans agreement that the tigers wouldn't draft Allen.

Feels like it may have been. Not a bad add on if so, given Tigers held so many picks before us, increased the chances he slid, and provided options at our pick.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I'd like to take davis with next pick. The high half forward is such a critical role these days & he seems perfect for it as seems to know the right spot to run to, & isn't allergic to the goals either. Perhaps a little different in style from Cripps, but could fill that void.
There will be CHB options at 45 given Mraz, O'Farrell, Nicholls, Barrat & dennis remain.
Shanahan sounds good but unless he has the potential to play back I don't see the point.

Importantly if you're going to turn a key forward into a back, you better have that conversation with him before drafting him otherwise you're just going to have one upset boy on you hands if he see's himself as a forward.

 

[shooshka]

If we slide from 30 to 37 we will miss a target.

I'd be taking Shanahan at 30. Everyone saying we don't need another key forward, but I disagree.

Gov has a year or 2 left.
O. Allen is one injury away from missing half a season (he doesn't get niggles).
A.Reid is unknown yet.
Jamerson is shit.
H.Edwards still has to prove he can replace barrass. Maric could be good down back.
B.Williams is meh
Bazzo has to come from a long way back, big
Barnett we are now trying to turn into a defender BC he can't ruck.


I think we need one key forward and one key back this draft. Don't care if they play wafl for a year and push past the above list the year later.

2 of Shanahan, Barrett, o'farrell, Dennis, Whitlock, gerreyn.



Hawks F2 for lions 46 47

Tonite
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44
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Champion
Late slider.



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Allen, Waterman, J Williams, A Reid, B Williams (then Ryan and H Reid who can both play as the deepest key forward even though they are not talls per se).

No, we don’t need to draft another key forward. Not opposed to it if one of the above or the drafted player can go back - as that is a clear list need - but we could also easily just go with a small.

It sounds like there are some decent outside mid or hhf types around this area of the draft - getting 2 of them through a trade with the bombers may make sense. Then a key back at 45ish


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[Monsterdarlz]

Given the price of picks this year I’m even more baffled by our decision to part ways with pick 14 so easily.

 

[WCE_Phill]

Essendon have offered Pick 37, 39, F2 for 28(RICH)/29(WBD)/30(WCE) and F3 to take Shanahan provided he’s available.

Start the car!

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I'm unsure whether the AFL list managers are aware of this... surely it can't be this simple? So many variables...

The assignment for list managers is real simple: build a list with the best top end talent that you can.

Tigers came out and said they were building a premiership side. Not a short term side to win early games. I'd do it slightly differently, but that's just differences in opinion. We both agree that the best talent in the draft builds you the backbone of a flag side. Afterall, they did this last time with Dusty and Cotch.

Guess what Clarke thinks the assignment is? Get early wins. Improve short term, and that will result in long term improvement. He's a clown.

 

[eaglevision]

Start the car!

The offers will be coming in that’s for sure, this is the difference even between a “deep draft” and a “super draft”. Crazy prices for picks in the 30s. Deal would have to include F1, I wouldn’t do the proposed one.

30, WCE F2 for F1, 37, 39 I’d do.

Hawks F2 for 46, 47, 49 I’d do.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

It does have to be now if we want to retain possibly the best player in the league for years to come. This is the year that Harley needs to sign an extension and to do that he needs to see a future at WC and that starts with a winning culture which I think Bakes and Graham will bring. A Draper,TT, FOS etc was unlikely to do that at least in their 1st year.
Harley is 100% the most important asset to our rebuild. He will attract other players, even in his 1st year WC attracted interest from other players reportedly. Its rare for 1 player to make a significant difference but I think HR is that player and it would surprise me if he was not a major consideration when we made that deal.
That is why I put the question to nameless . He has some inside info, you merely have an opinion.

Baker was at Tigers with a similarly broken list to ours. What difference did he make? Do you think Harley wouldn't see the potential of he and Smith in the midfield?

 

[amazingjoshy]

Only time will tell. It's not as bad as it looked at first blush, but a lot depends on Allan developing into a genuine mid, or an AA level half back.

Exactly. It still might turn out either way, but the carry on like it was already a foregone conclusion that we'd definitely blown it was way over the top

At least most are seeing some sense now it's actual players and not draft numbers

Edit: I did say most

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

For the love of god we need an accumulation midfielder, take moraes

Which is why we should have taken Smith. Possession monkeys are a liability if they don't have elite disposal and decision making skills. I'm not saying Moraes is that, but there's a reason Smith is 3, and Moraes second round. That is almost always the difference.

 

[mattyc75]

This guy who I believe is from RookieMe Central has us taking Shanahan at 30 in his mock second round.

He probably also had us taking him at 15...

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[Bleedblueandgold]

Also Essendon fans would be livid. Traded out their first, Kako bid comes after what would have been their own pick.

Couldn’t trade back in.

Well done pieman, vozzo.

West coast haul could well end up as Bradbury of this draft.

Who knows, if they had pick 9, another team might have bid on him earlier.
Norf and Carlton should have bid on Ashcroft.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The assignment for list managers is real simple: build a list with the best top end talent that you can.

Tigers came out and said they were building a premiership side. Not a short term side to win early games. I'd do it slightly differently, but that's just differences in opinion. We both agree that the best talent in the draft builds you the backbone of a flag side. Afterall, they did this last time with Dusty and Cotch.

Guess what Clarke thinks the assignment is? Get early wins. Improve short term, and that will result in long term improvement. He's a clown.

Off the top of my head.

Melbourne circa last 2000's, cut mature players, drafted a stack of young players, and nearly died as a club. Took massive intervention.

GC took a stack of kids, still haven't played finals

GW, took kids, have had success.

North, have gone hard on the kids, are still diabolically bad after all this time.

I'm not saying getting young top end talent isn't wise, but you go scorched earth and draft a stack of kids while gutting your middle aged players it can lead to disaster just as easily.

 

[mattyc75]

I don’t think either of those teams above us take that deal. I think Tigers will be keen on Dodson and possibly Alger and Dogs have had their eyes on Moraes for a while.

I won’t say who my two favourite players left on the board are because last time they were both gone within 5 minutes of my post.

Well you're safe, the draft is more than 5 minutes away. Do tell

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[We_The_West]

The assignment for list managers is real simple: build a list with the best top end talent that you can.

Tigers came out and said they were building a premiership side. Not a short term side to win early games. I'd do it slightly differently, but that's just differences in opinion. We both agree that the best talent in the draft builds you the backbone of a flag side. Afterall, they did this last time with Dusty and Cotch.

Guess what Clarke thinks the assignment is? Get early wins. Improve short term, and that will result in long term improvement. He's a clown.

Outside of Cotchin (2007), Martin (2009) and Vlastuin (2012), Richmond didn't draft any other top 10 picks between 2007 - 2020 that were stars of their premiership sides.

The successful sides build winning cultures and attract talent through FA and the trade period. I don't see Collingwood or Geelong trading into the top 10 of the draft to locate their next "backbone".

Our culture under Simmo was shot and we need big changes and we need to win games of football asap

 

[mat11]

The offers will be coming in that’s for sure, this is the difference even between a “deep draft” and a “super draft”. Crazy prices for picks in the 30s. Deal would have to include F1, I wouldn’t do the proposed one.

30, WCE F2 for F1, 37, 39 I’d do.

Hawks F2 for 46, 47, 49 I’d do.

F1, 37, 39 would be awesome. We need another key back, not a key fwd who can prob switch. I'd pass on Shanahan. Allan is a great inclusion but we still haven't addressed a pure mid or any run and carry this off-season which we could grab in the 30's.

37 boxshall
39 hayes
44 kpb


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[Happy Mastenator]

I'd dangle our F2 for GWS pick 36. They've taken three players already, might be ready to move points into 2025.

 

[TOA.]

I'd dangle our F2 for GWS pick 36. They've taken three players already, might be ready to move points into 2025.

Their recruiting manager said straight up that they are looking to trade it, after the draft last night. So it is 100% on the table.

 

[Coasters7]

The assignment for list managers is real simple: build a list with the best top end talent that you can.

Tigers came out and said they were building a premiership side. Not a short term side to win early games. I'd do it slightly differently, but that's just differences in opinion. We both agree that the best talent in the draft builds you the backbone of a flag side. Afterall, they did this last time with Dusty and Cotch.

Guess what Clarke thinks the assignment is? Get early wins. Improve short term, and that will result in long term improvement. He's a clown.

A bit of column A and a bit of column B I think. All good to have bucket loads of talent coming in but Richmond have just traded out all the senior players that help to turn talented youngsters into stars.

 

[ronpingwins]

pantskyle so what you heard was we offered our F1 to Melbourne at 9? Did it sound like an actual chance? Obviously would have been for Bo

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Agree with all of this, deal would have to include a F1. I’d also go after 49 from Brisbane in that deal.

As in

Hawks F1 F2 for 46 4749??

Or as in

Hawks F2 for 46 47 lion F1.

??

I'm not giving a F1 for those picks in the 40s.

Lions need points next year. Second rounders now very valuable for the northern acadamy teams.

The Hawks F2 is valuable, auction it off....

Lions 46 47

bombers 37 39 or 39 43

Take the deal that doesn't need a sweetner.



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[Ruben Grubarb]

Who knows, if they had pick 9, another team might have bid on him earlier.
Norf and Carlton should have bid on Ashcroft.

Quite a few clubs, including ours, ballsed up this draft. Those usual peasants North and Essendon, and us. I think Hawks is touch and go. Could easily end up and catastrophe.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Essendon have offered Pick 37, 39, F2 for 28(RICH)/29(WBD)/30(WCE) and F3 to take Shanahan provided he’s available.

Dons getting one of Shanahan or Whitlock might just save their draft. I’m still playing tougher than what is offered and it needs to include a F1. They can choose - Dees or Drug Rats F1. There will be a F2 going back that’s going to be a negotiation but not our F2 unless they chuck 37 and 39 (we can always give them some later picks)

I would be ok taking 37 and 39 as we would then have 44 as well, meaning we can get a riskier Mraz plus hope Gross or Davis slip through plus Gerryne Barrat or Ough. Massey is also keen on Nicholls as a KPD. Boxshall is a blue collar inside mid as another decent pick and should be there at 44

At this stage, list spots will be vital. I don’t see Tigers wanting another couple of later picks when they have loaded up already. They will be better served going more experienced SSP option and take the ruck they want in Dodson

Dogs are also pretty tight on spots and both Moraes and Gross would be good options. If Tigers go tall at 27, Dogs also have 31 but do they risk their main target in Moraes

We have the spots available to

Can you imagine us going into 2025 with 3 x R1, 1 x R2 and 2 x R3. There are some some really good prospects next year that are not club tied. Plus we have 3 club tied options.