List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

List Spots Available

• One on either main OR rookie list to be filled as a SSP selection following train on assessments

Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Wooshaaaa]

It’s a good problem to have.

We have been terrible for 3 seasons. If players aren’t aware they are on notice they should be. Earn your spot in the team, earn your spot on the list.

AFL is a brutal industry at times, but it is what it is.. if we have drafted guys to develop and they don’t at the rate required then so be it. Need to find our next premiership squad!


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And when was the last time we had players unable to crack into the best 22 despite being good enough, to then seek a trade to gain greater opportunity.

The more we have on the list competing for similar roles, the cream rises to the top and then we might actually get some decent trade value for some players wanting greater opportunity. This will become critical with the Tassie inclusion.

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[PremiershipNo4]

This response seems like a non sequitur to my post

That might that way to you, but not necessarily to me.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Rucks - Flynn, B Williams, Barnett(?)

Forward Rucks - J Williams, Livingstone

KPF - Allen, Waterman, A Reid, Shanahan

KPD - McGovern, Edwards, Bazzo, Jamieson

Defenders - Hough, Ginbey, Baker, Cole

HB/Mid - Duggan, Hunt, Allan, Johnston, Grego

Mids - Yeo, Kelly, H Reid, Graham, Chesser, Hall, Sheed

HF/Mid - Hewett, Hutchinson, Petruccelle, Gross, Davis

Forwards - Ryan, Cripps, Owies, Long, Dewar, Brockman, Champion, Rawlinson

Everywhere/Anywhere - Maric

Last list spot :

From a list needs perspective we should be looking for a KPD with Brock, Van Es, DGB and Phillips mentioned as possibilities. If Jamieson can get himself healthy and we decide to develop Barnett as a KPD then we might have enough to work with

I’d like us to look at Dennis and/or Bell who were said to be considering as draft options - less of a short term fix but possibly better long term options

Another ruck maybe but since we overlooked Knobel it appears we’re happy to push through with what we have

Burgiel was initially playing as a HB in the WAFL before being trialled on a wing towards the end of last season and has the capability from his junior days to play as a HHF. Unfortunately for him, after the draft we’ve got pretty good depth through those positions so he doesn’t really fill a list need. Hotton and Sellwood have also been mentioned as possible train on invitees

We don’t need another small forward - looking at our list we probably should’ve moved Rawlinson on who’s a long way back in the pecking order. Would have been better retaining Jordyn Baker

I liked the look of Burgiel but he hasn’t come on, hence being delisted. The club obviously still holds out hope he can fulfill his talent and I see him as the front runner for the last spot.

He needs to show he wants it though

Don’t forget we have Banfield Walley and Evans as options next year so no way do we need more small or high half forwards now

 

[Farang83150]

For those in the know, who would be the player comparison for Burgiel should he reach his suspected full potential?

 

[kane249]

For those in the know, who would be the player comparison for Burgiel should he reach his suspected full potential?

Was compared to Zac Bailey before the draft

 

[Grahame]

Those 3 players might seem a short term fix, but they help fill a gap, act as a bridge to the future, and their work ethic and hardness will be instilled in the playing group for the future.

Don't disagree with your general sentiment but Baker and Graham are within 3-4 months of Waterman. Both also have multiple premierships and about 130 games - so absolutely mid career - with good standards. What's not to like?

And Owies is between Duggan and Cole in age.

So none are 'old' as some were saying here.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

For those in the know, who would be the player comparison for Burgiel should he reach his suspected full potential?

Hopefully brent Guerra ex hawk. But he seems was too soft for that comparison

 

[chaddy22]

It’s hard to not feel a bit ill about the baker trade after the draft.

We traded pick 14 straight for baker.
Sydney had reportedly offered 19 and 22 pre draft for 14. Let’s say we do that trade.
North stated that they were offering their future round straight for picks up to that 20 stage.

If we hadn’t traded for baker we could have kept 14, traded it to Sydney for 19, 22, then traded 19 to north for their F1.

We could have turned 14 into 22 and North’s F1, than on current ladder positions is pick 2 next year…

Who would you rather, Dattoli and Rodriguez next year, or Liam baker…


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Nah if we didn't trade for Baker we would have most probably just kept pick 3 and Baker. Graham and Owies most probably are not on our list. Our picks would have been 3,26 and 59.
I doubt our club would be a destination club in the future with reneging on our deal with Baker.

We couldn't get the deal done for 14 with Hawthorn so we would finish up with Hawks future first, second and Third.
Most probably would have had to use our future picks more to get back into this years draft.

Only my opinion but we have come out better with the Baker deal because we have come out with some decent young talent plus traded in some experience in Baker, Graham and Owies and strengthened next years draft.

 

[Azza21]

We have to sign Van Es as our sign on player.
He is way more of a need for us then burgeil or selwwood

 

[WCE_phil]

For those in the know, who would be the player comparison for Burgiel should he reach his suspected full potential?

In regards to Burgiel, Saad in the backline.

In regards to who I think we should take in the SSP I would be looking very strongly at Michael Sellwood. Purely from the perspective that he could be best 22 next year, he is developed and his kicking is very, very good. Also provides plenty of run and carry. His kicking from defence is something I think we lack and he's still quite young. I think he is an AFL level talent. He's a very good mark at WAFL level but I think that would just translate to average at AFL level. It's the combination of his overall athletic package, intercept, kicking and to a lesser extent run and carry that I think is worth a shot.

Van Es I would love to get in, have an MRI & CT done of his ankle & back as well as a full medical with a focus on flexibility and if that turns up alright have him out there training. I have a sneaking suspicion however that he was cut on the basis of a couple of things. His ankle is ****ed, he's lost flexibility due to his back injury and those things combined have also meant he's lost a lot of speed resulting in him being delisted. From my running memory and it's getting worse he had a fair bit of development to do as well and wasn't seen as the hardest player at the ball.

Of the overlooked 18 year olds I'd prefer to wait till MSD draft time before having a look. The chances are highly likely by then there will be someone to put on the LTI list.

Burgiel has to show 100% intent, 100% intensity and not to get an injury to get a shot at being picked back up.

Outside of those already mentioned there's a few who have already been mentioned I'd give Oli Eastland a 2 week train on period. If he performs better than our current rucks I'd sign him.

SSP train on payments and medicals come out of the soft cap so people know.

 

[ArdentEagle]

WCE_phil - Now the draft is over, are you able to share the draft big board/order?

Also, what was the Bombers trade they reneged on?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I still can’t believe we’ve ended up with the 2 best West Aussie, footballers from this years draft, and Malakai, a gun KP player, an All Aussie VIC midfielder and a tough as nails Ranga.
Bloody brilliant, can’t stop smiling

 

[WCE_phil]

WCE_phil - Now the draft is over, are you able to share the draft big board/order?

Also, what was the Bombers trade they reneged on?

Without having the full board in front of me anymore and being a fair few san migs in i'd probably forget a few or get a few placements wrong.

Our future second & Hawks F3 for 28+31, Then after the bid on Kako their future second for 26. I'm not unhappy the trade didn't happen but it did mean we had no interest in talking to Essendon come the second day of the draft particularly with who was still on the board. We rated Shanahan at 12 so for it to even be considered it would have had to be Melbourne's F1 with nothing going back and I don't think that would have been the offer. I didn't take that call, I was just getting off the phone to Mackie telling him no for Geelongs F1.

 

[eaglevision]

In regards to Burgiel, Saad in the backline.

In regards to who I think we should take in the SSP I would be looking very strongly at Michael Sellwood. Purely from the perspective that he could be best 22 next year, he is developed and his kicking is very, very good. Also provides plenty of run and carry. His kicking from defence is something I think we lack and he's still quite young. I think he is an AFL level talent. He's a very good mark at WAFL level but I think that would just translate to average at AFL level. It's the combination of his overall athletic package, intercept, kicking and to a lesser extent run and carry that I think is worth a shot.

Van Es I would love to get in, have an MRI & CT done of his ankle & back as well as a full medical with a focus on flexibility and if that turns up alright have him out there training. I have a sneaking suspicion however that he was cut on the basis of a couple of things. His ankle is ****ed, he's lost flexibility due to his back injury and those things combined have also meant he's lost a lot of speed resulting in him being delisted. From my running memory and it's getting worse he had a fair bit of development to do as well and wasn't seen as the hardest player at the ball.

Of the overlooked 18 year olds I'd prefer to wait till MSD draft time before having a look. The chances are highly likely by then there will be someone to put on the LTI list.

Burgiel has to show 100% intent, 100% intensity and not to get an injury to get a shot at being picked back up.

Outside of those already mentioned there's a few who have already been mentioned I'd give Oli Eastland a 2 week train on period. If he performs better than our current rucks I'd sign him.

SSP train on payments and medicals come out of the soft cap so people know.

Agree with the Saad comparison, I posted the same a couple of days ago and would be great to have a line breaking player like that in the team. Was Charleson spoken about at any stage, especially since he got through to the rookie draft? Him, ADW, Knobel, and Retschko were players taken as rookies I would have been keen on knowing how they were viewed (we know Knobel). Dennis any chance of a train on spot?

 

[eaglevision]

Our future second & Hawks F3 for 28+31, Then after the bid on Kako their future second for 26.

Any idea why they knocked it back? They didn’t exactly make out like bandits.

 

[WCE_phil]

Agree with the Saad comparison, I posted the same a couple of days ago and would be great to have a line breaking player like that in the team. Was Charleson spoken about at any stage, especially since he got through to the rookie draft? Him, ADW, Knobel, and Retschko were players taken as rookies I would have been keen on knowing how they were viewed (we know Knobel). Dennis any chance of a train on spot?

After missing Boxshall and drafting Grego with the potential of him either being a mid or backman Charleson wasn't discussed. He was late in the top 60 on the clubs draft board though.

I finished up at the end of the main draft and at that stage the discussion was just leave an SSP spot and pick up grab Champion.

The SSP discussions were to be started on Friday morning with a large input from Mini, Woosh and the main recruiting team. The only thing I know is it was based around more experienced players than 18 year olds who missed out.

 

[WCE_phil]

Any idea why they knocked it back? They didn’t exactly make out like bandits.

It was an in principle deal before the draft. They obviously liked the options they got elsewhere and didn't even bother to give us a call before we found out their trades just as the draft started. Honestly after having to deal with Dave Barham and Kevin Sheedy last year, combined with Woosh's experience at Essendon and particularly knowing I was done with dealing with them I would have given them an earful and I think Woosha would have as well.

It's little things like not even bothering to call and say thank you but we've decided to go down a different path that make a big difference. Not even making a 30s call is just ****ing disrespectful and why Rosa coped a polite but firm no thank you before any real offer was made.

Also I had just gotten a rise out of the team with my discussion with Mackie which is why there is a photo with lots of smiles floating around with live draftees on it. It was quite amusing and I can't repeat what was said but it related not only to Mackie but also to one of their current players. BTW **** Geelong, they are the ones who are already going hard at Harley.

 

[JADED]

WCE_phil - Now the draft is over, are you able to share the draft big board/order?

Also, what was the Bombers trade they reneged on?

Think it was something like this from what I know so far.
1 - Lalor
2- Ashcroft
3 - FOS
4 - Langford
5 - Lombard
6 - Draper
7 - Jagga Smith
8 - Allan
9 - Lindsay
10 - Reid
12 - Shanahan

 

[WCE_phil]

Think it was something like this from what I know so far.
1 - Lalor
2- Ashcroft
3 - FOS
4 - Langford
5 - Lombard
6 - Draper
7 - Jagga Smith
8 - Allan
9 - Lindsay
10 - Reid
12 - Shanahan

I remember further than that but not out to the exact line up between say 30-60.

That and I really shouldn't post what I do remember as there are names on that board not only out of respect to the club but also who didn't get drafted at all.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Think it was something like this from what I know so far.
1 - Lalor
2- Ashcroft
3 - FOS
4 - Langford
5 - Lombard
6 - Draper
7 - Jagga Smith
8 - Allan
9 - Lindsay
10 - Reid
12 - Shanahan

If this is the order, bit worrying to think that we would've chosen Langford ahead of Draper had we kept pick 3.
I'm guessing
1 Rich Lalor
2 Norf FOS
3 WC Langford
4 Adel Draper
5 Bris Ashcroft
6 Melb Smith

I would've preferred
1 Rich Lalor
2 Norf FOS
3 WC Draper
4 Adel Smith
5 Bris Ashcroft
6 Melb Langford

 

[Mattman93]

I remember further than that but not out to the exact line up between say 30-60.

That and I really shouldn't post what I do remember as there are names on that board not only out of respect to the club but also who didn't get drafted at all.

Who do you imagine we might have selected with 28 and 31 had the Essendon deal gone ahead (and say theoretically in that case Shanahan gets nabbed before us)?

 

[WCE_phil]

It may have just been to throw the team off the scent however it was very heavily inferred that Draper much preferred going to Victoria if he didn't get to stay home. The club had Langford rated higher than him outside of that so that would have been the pick.

 

[WCE_phil]

Who do you imagine we might have selected with 28 and 31 had the Essendon deal gone ahead (and say theoretically in that case Shanahan gets nabbed before us)?

Whitlock and Boxshall.

Essendon would have drafted Shanahan.

 

[Toli13]

It was an in principle deal before the draft. They obviously liked the options they got elsewhere and didn't even bother to give us a call before we found out their trades just as the draft started. Honestly after having to deal with Dave Barham and Kevin Sheedy last year, combined with Woosh's experience at Essendon and particularly knowing I was done with dealing with them I would have given them an earful and I think Woosha would have as well.

It's little things like not even bothering to call and say thank you but we've decided to go down a different path that make a big difference. Not even making a 30s call is just ****ing disrespectful and why Rosa coped a polite but firm no thank you before any real offer was made.

Also I had just gotten a rise out of the team with my discussion with Mackie which is why there is a photo with lots of smiles floating around with live draftees on it. It was quite amusing and I can't repeat what was said but it related not only to Mackie but also to one of their current players. BTW **** Geelong, they are the ones who are already going hard at Harley.

WCE_phil Surely Geelong wouldn’t be able to fit Harley into their salary cap?!

Also, do have a view as to whether Harley is likely to stay?

 

[Mattman93]

Whitlock and Boxshall.

Essendon would have drafted Shanahan.

Must have been pissed to just miss out on Boxhall later. Recall where we had this board's pet favourite Travaglia, and my pet favourite Hannaford?