List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling
 
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AsterixTheGaul said:
Are you fu(king joking?

2019 had a fantastic crop of WA talent. I remember East Fremantle pumping out great talent. Also WA won the U18 Carnival and included Jackson, Robertson, Sharp, Rivers, Warner, and Truscoe plu others. I recall going to East Fremantle oval thinking wow

So having a proper recruitment manager seperate to list manager would have challenged the Kelly trade. You do realise that with the trades we gave up for Kelly, we could have drafted Robertson, Rivers and Warner. If you may want to take back that it had no impact.
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Who coached that 2019 team ?
 
briztoon said:
Can see Collingwood going hard after LDU, and North getting band 1 compensation.


Interesting narrative starting to form around next year’s draft, that it has significantly better KPP’s in it, compared to this year, which is why quite a few of this year’s KPP’s slid in the draft.
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Most players to watch, top prospects articles have mids dominating the top 10 again.
 
2025 draft
Sharp/Duursma (our pick)
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Rodriguez (Hawks pick)
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Cody Curtin (Bundle up our and Hawks 2R picks for who ever finishes lowest out of the hand out academy clubs)
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Banfield+Walley+Stevens


Or Warner
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Banfield+Walley+Stevens

Can’t lose ;) Now just need the players to develop and a bit of luck death riding the Hawks

 

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Rucks - Flynn, B Williams, Barnett(?)

Forward Rucks - J Williams, Livingstone

KPF - Allen, Waterman, A Reid, Shanahan

KPD - McGovern, Edwards, Bazzo, Jamieson

Defenders - Hough, Ginbey, Baker, Cole

HB/Mid - Duggan, Hunt, Allan, Johnston, Grego

Mids - Yeo, Kelly, H Reid, Graham, Chesser, Hall, Sheed

HF/Mid - Hewett, Hutchinson, Petruccelle, Gross, Davis

Forwards - Ryan, Cripps, Owies, Long, Dewar, Brockman, Champion, Rawlinson

Everywhere/Anywhere - Maric

Last list spot :

From a list needs perspective we should be looking for a KPD with Brock, Van Es, DGB and Phillips mentioned as possibilities. If Jamieson can get himself healthy and we decide to develop Barnett as a KPD then we might have enough to work with

I’d like us to look at Dennis and/or Bell who were said to be considering as draft options - less of a short term fix but possibly better long term options

Another ruck maybe but since we overlooked Knobel it appears we’re happy to push through with what we have

Burgiel was initially playing as a HB in the WAFL before being trialled on a wing towards the end of last season and has the capability from his junior days to play as a HHF. Unfortunately for him, after the draft we’ve got pretty good depth through those positions so he doesn’t really fill a list need. Hotton and Sellwood have also been mentioned as possible train on invitees

We don’t need another small forward - looking at our list we probably should’ve moved Rawlinson on who’s a long way back in the pecking order. Would have been better retaining Jordyn Baker

I liked the look of Burgiel but he hasn’t come on, hence being delisted. The club obviously still holds out hope he can fulfill his talent and I see him as the front runner for the last spot.

He needs to show he wants it though
 
Wooshaaaa said:
General defender
Michael Sellwood. 185cm



Sellwood at 185 cm isn't a key back, but gee he can mark the ball and knows how to find it. I haven't seen much, Monocle is he a Shepperd type?
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Not really, Shep was very good at reading the game and ball in flight, Sheps aerial ability was elite, also Shep was just an average kick.

Selwood more aggressive, better run and carry with good footskills and much faster.

Shep was more a link up player and hand balled more, where as Selwood more a release of ball player who gives the quick get away.

Selwood probably has more positional versatility.

Sheppard was in the leagues best for the role that he played and his unique ability to equally effectively play on both talls and smalls a real point of difference.
 
It’s hard to not feel a bit ill about the baker trade after the draft.

We traded pick 14 straight for baker.
Sydney had reportedly offered 19 and 22 pre draft for 14. Let’s say we do that trade.
North stated that they were offering their future round straight for picks up to that 20 stage.

If we hadn’t traded for baker we could have kept 14, traded it to Sydney for 19, 22, then traded 19 to north for their F1.

We could have turned 14 into 22 and North’s F1, than on current ladder positions is pick 2 next year…

Who would you rather, Dattoli and Rodriguez next year, or Liam baker…


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briztoon said:
Can see Collingwood going hard after LDU, and North getting band 1 compensation.


Interesting narrative starting to form around next year’s draft, that it has significantly better KPP’s in it, compared to this year, which is why quite a few of this year’s KPP’s slid in the draft.
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Hopefully, that means while clubs are chasing KPP’s we can target mids. Would be good for us if a couple of KPP make it to the pointy end.
 
Patron said:
It’s hard to not feel a bit ill about the baker trade after the draft.

We traded pick 14 straight for baker.
Sydney had reportedly offered 19 and 22 pre draft for 14. Let’s say we do that trade.
North stated that they were offering their future round straight for picks up to that 20 stage.

If we hadn’t traded for baker we could have kept 14, traded it to Sydney for 19, 22, then traded 19 to north for their F1.

We could have turned 14 into 22 and North’s F1, than on current ladder positions is pick 2 next year…

Who would you rather, Dattoli and Rodriguez next year, or Liam baker…


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You just can't make some people happy can you. How often does a club nail EVERY trade and every pick in an off season to perfection?

Yes, it appears like WCE over paid for Baker. But considering the overall result, it appears to be a fantastic off season and getting Baker and Graham seems so important in the overall scheme of things.

And as WCE_Phil has noted, WC appear to have a great relationship and reputation with other clubs and this may prove valuable in future dealings with other clubs.

I would absolutely share your sentiment about the cost of Baker if the draft wasn't so successful (eg. Tim Kelly), but as a WC nuffy I am stoked with the overall net result regardless of any of the trades or picks in isolation.
 

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Boohemian said:
Sorry, but this kind of response really shouldn’t be acceptable on our board.

It’s hysterical, belligerent and rather rude.

If you’ve got a different viewpoint or perspective, try to articulate it in a coherent and intelligent manner. This ain’t it.
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But hang on D Trump, has set the example for all to see, hysterical, belligerent, and rather rude and gets elected.
Monkey see, monkey do, the world is in for a rough ride!
 
Bit harsh on Rawlinson to say he hasn't shown much. Reason he was a rookie was because like most 18 year old kids who aren't absolute freaks, he possibly needs a couple of years to fill out his frame in order to play on equal terms with men.

Going to be really interesting next year with all these shiny new draftee's everyone wants a piece of. What was it 8 players left from 2018, 60% of the list turned over in last 3 seasons. Something crazy like that. Its going to reach a point in 2025 where we are delisting unknown quantities who have barely had a chance to develop in the WAFL, for unknown quantities who will barely get a chance to develop in the WAFL.

End of 25 we say goodbye to Sheed and Cripps you'd think [though both will probably be hoping to extend their careers] and then what? Catchya Rawlinson too bad you were 7th back as a small forward, thanks for spending 2 years learning our system. Seeya Coen you're solid depth but not sure why we drafted you, need the list spot. Barnett is contracted to 2026 I thought. Jameison you'd think goes but equally if he miraculously breaks out of walking laps this preseason and has a good season at WAFL in KPD maybe we can't afford to lose that depth. We're going to have to be looking at Petch and Cole and/or trading out some best 22 players if we plan on taking 2 first rounders [or 1 plus Warner] plus Banfield, Wally, Evans and whatever else people have planned, project rucks etc. This list simply can't have another intake of 6 players next season, and if it does then come the end of 2026 there is going to be litterally no-one left to delist outside of Flynn and Barnett, both of whom I presume we want to come good.
 
rub won out said:
Yes, it appears like WCE over paid for Baker. But considering the overall result, it appears to be a fantastic off season and getting Baker and Graham seems so important in the overall scheme of things.
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I think Graham might be the forgotten piece in the Baker trade. On paper we definitely over paid for him. But maybe the deal was get Baker and Graham will come too. (And for SFA.) Who knows? But in among all the whining and abuse (about Baker) no one seems to have considered that scenario. Not saying it’s right - just a possibility.

And if the hierarchy thought we had a problem with some ‘coasting’ senior players then this one trade (for two mid-aged successful hard noses) might have gone some way to remedying the situation.

Just a hypothetical. ????
 
Grahame said:
I think Graham might be the forgotten piece in the Baker trade. On paper we definitely over paid for him. But maybe the deal was get Baker and Graham will come too. (And for SFA.) Who knows? But in among all the whining and abuse (about Baker) no one seems to have considered that scenario. Not saying it’s right - just a possibility.

And if the hierarchy thought we had a problem with some ‘coasting’ senior players then this one trade (for two mid-aged successful hard noses) might have gone some way to remedying the situation.

Just a hypothetical. ????
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Just saw a post from WCE-phil on another thread stating similar. Sorry for the repetition.
 
sharps24 said:
Bit harsh on Rawlinson to say he hasn't shown much. Reason he was a rookie was because like most 18 year old kids who aren't absolute freaks, he possibly needs a couple of years to fill out his frame in order to play on equal terms with men.

Going to be really interesting next year with all these shiny new draftee's everyone wants a piece of. What was it 8 players left from 2018, 60% of the list turned over in last 3 seasons. Something crazy like that. Its going to reach a point in 2025 where we are delisting unknown quantities who have barely had a chance to develop in the WAFL, for unknown quantities who will barely get a chance to develop in the WAFL.

End of 25 we say goodbye to Sheed and Cripps you'd think [though both will probably be hoping to extend their careers] and then what? Catchya Rawlinson too bad you were 7th back as a small forward, thanks for spending 2 years learning our system. Seeya Coen you're solid depth but not sure why we drafted you, need the list spot. Barnett is contracted to 2026 I thought. Jameison you'd think goes but equally if he miraculously breaks out of walking laps this preseason and has a good season at WAFL in KPD maybe we can't afford to lose that depth. We're going to have to be looking at Petch and Cole and/or trading out some best 22 players if we plan on taking 2 first rounders [or 1 plus Warner] plus Banfield, Wally, Evans and whatever else people have planned, project rucks etc. This list simply can't have another intake of 6 players next season, and if it does then come the end of 2026 there is going to be litterally no-one left to delist outside of Flynn and Barnett, both of whom I presume we want to come good.
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There'll still be the likes of Kelly, gov, yeo to leave in the next few years and some draftees will never make it. Nature of the game.
Chesser probably won't come good, and guts who've been lucky to get games will be let go.

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I've noticed a similarity to our draft board and Brexit.

When asked how leaving the world's biggest trade block was going to work out as an economic plus for the UK, the response was, we will get new, better trade deals.

When asked how they would get better trade deals, the response was, we will negotiate REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY hard, and get better deals.

Except, they didn't. Because deals are 2 sided.

Half the posts here are along the lines of, I would have got a better deal, because I would have negotiated REALLY REALLY hard, and got a better deal.

Rough rule of thumb is, no, you wouldn't have.

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sharps24 said:
Bit harsh on Rawlinson to say he hasn't shown much. Reason he was a rookie was because like most 18 year old kids who aren't absolute freaks, he possibly needs a couple of years to fill out his frame in order to play on equal terms with men.

Going to be really interesting next year with all these shiny new draftee's everyone wants a piece of. What was it 8 players left from 2018, 60% of the list turned over in last 3 seasons. Something crazy like that. Its going to reach a point in 2025 where we are delisting unknown quantities who have barely had a chance to develop in the WAFL, for unknown quantities who will barely get a chance to develop in the WAFL.

End of 25 we say goodbye to Sheed and Cripps you'd think [though both will probably be hoping to extend their careers] and then what? Catchya Rawlinson too bad you were 7th back as a small forward, thanks for spending 2 years learning our system. Seeya Coen you're solid depth but not sure why we drafted you, need the list spot. Barnett is contracted to 2026 I thought. Jameison you'd think goes but equally if he miraculously breaks out of walking laps this preseason and has a good season at WAFL in KPD maybe we can't afford to lose that depth. We're going to have to be looking at Petch and Cole and/or trading out some best 22 players if we plan on taking 2 first rounders [or 1 plus Warner] plus Banfield, Wally, Evans and whatever else people have planned, project rucks etc. This list simply can't have another intake of 6 players next season, and if it does then come the end of 2026 there is going to be litterally no-one left to delist outside of Flynn and Barnett, both of whom I presume we want to come good.
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It’s a good problem to have.

We have been terrible for 3 seasons. If players aren’t aware they are on notice they should be. Earn your spot in the team, earn your spot on the list.

AFL is a brutal industry at times, but it is what it is.. if we have drafted guys to develop and they don’t at the rate required then so be it. Need to find our next premiership squad!


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Elite Pete said:
James Van Es was the other linked.

You wonder if some are targets for the WAFL signings.

From the that group, You’d think it’s a key defender that gets the spot if they can show enough. Any VFL watches have a preference between Brock and Van Ed. Philips and DGB also being linked still as possibles
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So Van Es Ive read the usual negative comments.

His background:

Vic Country lad :whitecheck:
197cm defender:whitecheck:
Described as an athletic intercepter who can also lock down.:whitecheck:
2.91 sec 20m combine.:whitecheck:
20 yrs old

Promising 1st year in VFL.
Picked up an ankle injury that needed surgury and then a complication with a screw so needed a follow up. Really didnt have any opportunity to build in 2024.

This situatation is why we have a train on period. So lets have a look at rhe kid and. See if his body and skills are looking up to it.:thumbsu:
 
Patron said:
It’s hard to not feel a bit ill about the baker trade after the draft.

We traded pick 14 straight for baker.
Sydney had reportedly offered 19 and 22 pre draft for 14. Let’s say we do that trade.
North stated that they were offering their future round straight for picks up to that 20 stage.

If we hadn’t traded for baker we could have kept 14, traded it to Sydney for 19, 22, then traded 19 to north for their F1.

We could have turned 14 into 22 and North’s F1, than on current ladder positions is pick 2 next year…

Who would you rather, Dattoli and Rodriguez next year, or Liam baker…


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Could've, would've, should've but didn't for a reason. What you're overlooking is - the club and coach wanted Baker (Graham+Owies) for specific reasons going forward. The coach has inside working knowledge of these players and how they'll assist his plan and the team going forward. Those players also know how the coach works and can help embed his plan across the lines. What we want, or know,(or think we know) in a sense is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what we could've got, this is what they wanted!

Those 3 players might seem a short term fix, but they help fill a gap, act as a bridge to the future, and their work ethic and hardness will be instilled in the playing group for the future. There'll be more good players coming in next trade/draft period.
I just don't get why so many are still hung up over Clarke and those picks, who cares, it's not a perfect science. It worked out really well (as if they knew what they were doing?) and if some begrudgingly think it was mainly luck, well luck is part of the game right through to an oval football and how it bounces. Every club had some good and bad luck during the trade/draft.
 
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Liam Baker going to be good for the club and the squad , don't worry what happened in the trade ....stuff up but they finished up pretty good .
 
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