List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

List Spots Available

• One on either main OR rookie list to be filled as a SSP selection following train on assessments

Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Rowan18]

I tend to agree. The last attacking midfielder we brought in was Tim Kelly and the price we paid has had a significant impact on our quality since. We feel like we've done well here, we have some good kids that will have another 20 games experience, and we have a nice hand next draft - I'd be happy to keep buiding internally.

The price we paid for Kelly had almost no impact in hindsight. Both 2019 and 2020 drafts were really weak and the picks we gave up were pretty poor (late teens for the first rounders). Go look at the spuds that got drafted with our selections, a couple are already delisted and the rest are likely to follow.

I don't buy any hindsight revisionism either (ie we were not going to take Warner). Geelong and GWS were the clubs that recieved our selections and I doubt we would have outperformed their recruiting teams.

 

[Bender_]

Sandy Brock, the nephew of late Australian motorsport legend Peter Brock...

Motor-sport background.

 

[Bender_]

I had to go and google who Tori Black is/was.

Suggest people wait for their wife and kids leave the room before doing so.

Just tag Carbine Chaos next time.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The price we paid for Kelly had almost no impact in hindsight. Both 2019 and 2020 drafts were really weak and the picks we gave up were pretty poor (late teens for the first rounders). Go look at the spuds that got drafted with our selections, a couple are already delisted and the rest are likely to follow.

I don't buy any hindsight revisionism either (ie we were not going to take Warner). Geelong and GWS were the clubs that recieved our selections and I doubt we would have outperformed their recruiting teams.

Are you fu(king joking?

2019 had a fantastic crop of WA talent. I remember East Fremantle pumping out great talent. Also WA won the U18 Carnival and included Jackson, Robertson, Sharp, Rivers, Warner, and Truscoe plu others. I recall going to East Fremantle oval thinking wow

So having a proper recruitment manager seperate to list manager would have challenged the Kelly trade. You do realise that with the trades we gave up for Kelly, we could have drafted Robertson, Rivers and Warner. If you may want to take back that it had no impact.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Are you fu(king joking?

2019 had a fantastic crop of WA talent. I remember East Fremantle pumping out great talent. Also WA won the U18 Carnival and included Jackson, Robertson, Sharp, Rivers, Warner, and Truscoe plu others. I recall going to East Fremantle oval thinking wow

So having a proper recruitment manager seperate to list manager would have challenged the Kelly trade. You do realise that with the trades we gave up for Kelly, we could have drafted Robertson, Rivers and Warner. If you may want to take back that it had no impact.

Could have, yes, if we had nailed every single pick, which is unlikely given our drafting around that time. It was the right call to trade for Kelly at the time, problem was we gave up one pick too many which we may have landed one of these guys with, but also might not have.

 

[southcoast]

Motor-sport background.

Better than basketball?

Asking for a friend.


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[Bender_]

Better than basketball?

Asking for a friend.


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Basketball background
Rugby background
Waterpolo background
Taxidermy background
Motor-sport background

I believe those are the official rankings

Soccer background basically a negative. (Sorry Butts)

 

[Rowan18]

Are you fu(king joking?

2019 had a fantastic crop of WA talent. I remember East Fremantle pumping out great talent. Also WA won the U18 Carnival and included Jackson, Robertson, Sharp, Rivers, Warner, and Truscoe plu others. I recall going to East Fremantle oval thinking wow

So having a proper recruitment manager seperate to list manager would have challenged the Kelly trade. You do realise that with the trades we gave up for Kelly, we could have drafted Robertson, Rivers and Warner. If you may want to take back that it had no impact.

Could have, but would we have? I'm not talking about potential, but what our actual recuriting team would have done:
- Robertson - yes, I think we would and I think he would be the same fringe depth he is at Brisbane. Useful but no game changer.
-Rivers - couldn't have got him if we took Robertson, as he was start of second round. Probably one or the other and I think we would have done Robertson.
-Warner: maybe he would have been our second round selection but I've got no idea if he was on our radar (you'd have a much better idea than me). He went at pick 39, so most clubs passed on him at least once. Given our history, I'd assume we would have been happy with Robertson as a mid and then looked to take a tall
-Ruscoe: we picked Jamieson ahead of him, so doubt it. He's been delisted anyway.

Arguably we got as much benefit out of Tim Kelly than what we would realistically taken from the draft. I still think we would be in a similar spot now if we had drafted instead of traded.

 

[BartBart]

T

I think it’s pretty ironic that after telling us all year that Reid is going to leave and want go home Freo now have their own Reid to worry about.

That means the reply is an assumption they are talking about their own Reid if they make the claim.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Could have, but would we have? I'm not talking about potential, but what our actual recuriting team would have done:
- Robertson - yes, I think we would and I think he would be the same fringe depth he is at Brisbane. Useful but no game changer.
-Rivers - couldn't have got him if we took Robertson, as he was start of second round. Probably one or the other and I think we would have done Robertson.
-Warner: maybe he would have been our second round selection but I've got no idea if he was on our radar (you'd have a much better idea than me). He went at pick 39, so most clubs passed on him at least once. Given our history, I'd assume we would have been happy with Robertson as a mid and then looked to take a tall
-Ruscoe: we picked Jamieson ahead of him, so doubt it. He's been delisted anyway.

Arguably we got as much benefit out of Tim Kelly than what we would realistically taken from the draft. I still think we would be in a similar spot now if we had drafted instead of traded.

You do realise that I was responding to the quote that it was a rubbish draft

 

[Schtinker]

Motor-sport background.

Comes fitted with the Polariser.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

If they match, you do realise he has no real option but to stay or to sit out of football

Or they agree to a trade like Geelong did with gws for Cameron

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Ah there might not be a norf PP, but there will be a norf band 1 compo pick for LDU!!

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Maybe going after LDU is a smarter move than Warner

 

[flamingEMBERS]

LDU is a Restricted FA meaning Norf with their massive salary cap can match.

Surely he will be better value than a draft pick 5 prospect!

The Bont is the only Unrestricted FA that I can envisage that would trigger a band 1.

There may be Restricted FA players that a club would not match. Not sure on that list but it will include Oscar, Bayshaw, Draper, Starcevich, et al

Don’t be so naive.

LDU will get north band 1. He’s a real talent, but north will have the paper cup out all year rattling those coins and asking the question. Clarkos cleaning out the list to his players.

Keeping McKay (not that I rate him highly) would have made them better last year but they let him walk for pick 3 after campaigning the whole year.

 

[Schtinker]

Don’t be so naive.

LDU will get north band 1. He’s a real talent, but north will have the paper cup out all year rattling those coins and asking the question. Clarkos cleaning out the list to his players.

Keeping McKay (not that I rate him highly) would have made them better last year but they let him walk for pick 3 after campaigning the whole year.

Suprised they didn't ask for compensation for losing Tarryn Thomas.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Suprised they didn't ask for compensation for losing Tarryn Thomas.

Probably use him as a case when they start their next pp campaign

 

[nameless]

I wonder if North know that LDU is gone already and so were happy to give up a F1 knowing they'll get band 1 compo next year anyway.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Don’t be so naive.

LDU will get north band 1. He’s a real talent, but north will have the paper cup out all year rattling those coins and asking the question. Clarkos cleaning out the list to his players.

Keeping McKay (not that I rate him highly) would have made them better last year but they let him walk for pick 3 after campaigning the whole year.

Norf will eventually rise and I suspect next year things could easily start clicking. So Norf finish 11th and get pick 8 (handed over to Tigers now). Hawks under Clarkson rose quicker than expected and Norf have been gathering top end talent since 2017

St Blunders offer a huge contract and Norf have a decision Norf. Force Saints to cough up 2025 and 2026 R1 picks or take pick 9 compo. Clarkson realising how many bright stars they have and wants to avoid the constant leakage so says force the deal Cameron style. What would you do? Pick 9 or 2 x R1 from St Blunders?

Nothing in the AFL is

 

[Ridge Renegade]

Sorry, but this kind of response really shouldn’t be acceptable on our board.

It’s hysterical, belligerent and rather rude.

If you’ve got a different viewpoint or perspective, try to articulate it in a coherent and intelligent manner. This ain’t it.

No intelligent thoughts came to my mind after thinking of Tori Black’s legs…

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Norf will eventually rise and I suspect next year things could easily start clicking. So Norf finish 11th and get pick 8 (handed over to Tigers now). Hawks under Clarkson rose quicker than expected and Norf have been gathering top end talent since 2017

St Blunders offer a huge contract and Norf have a decision Norf. Force Saints to cough up 2025 and 2026 R1 picks or take pick 9 compo. Clarkson realising how many bright stars they have and wants to avoid the constant leakage so says force the deal Cameron style. What would you do? Pick 9 or 2 x R1 from St Blunders?

Nothing in the AFL is

2xR1 is better, but I think North being a little bitch club and not bidding on top end players as to not upset others will probably go the FA route and just tank towards the end of the year.

It’s actually the worst club to be drafted to. I find it hard to see players not continually leaving.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

North were 17th, 14th was 8 wins clear of them. Really don’t see them closing that gap. That means at best the first rounder will be pick 4. Just an absolute disaster of a trade. They are delusional.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

So, train ons.

What exactly are we targeting?

Key backs
Sandy Brock 198cm

General defender
Michael Sellwood. 185cm

Small defender
Burgeil 185cm

Mid/forward
Olli hotton 184cm


For me....

I can't see a need for hotton. We have enough mid/forwards and his injury history is the last thing we need.

I'm not sure Brock is long term, are they looking for the emergency fire button here, where he plays in the Maggoos until we have an injury crisis down back. Or are they genuinely interested in development as a long term prospect.

Burgeil is the ideal candidate to secure his lost spot, but he has to train every session flat out and look interested. Any 'niggle' or soreness is a red flag.

Sellwood at 185 cm isn't a key back, but gee he can mark the ball and knows how to find it. I haven't seen much, Monocle is he a Shepperd type?

It's interesting that Sellwood and burgeil are the same height. I thought burgeil was like 179!

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[Dark Sharks]

Nina Hartley > Tori

Come @ me kents

 

[Elite Pete]

So, train ons.

What exactly are we targeting?

Key backs
Sandy Brock 198cm

General defender
Michael Sellwood. 185cm

Small defender
Burgeil 185cm

Mid/forward
Olli hotton 184cm


For me....

I can't see a need for hotton. We have enough mid/forwards and his injury history is the last thing we need.

I'm not sure Brock is long term, are they looking for the emergency fire button here, where he plays in the Maggoos until we have an injury crisis down back. Or are they genuinely interested in development as a long term prospect.

Burgeil is the ideal candidate to secure his lost spot, but he has to train every session flat out and look interested. Any 'niggle' or soreness is a red flag.

Sellwood at 185 cm isn't a key back, but gee he can mark the ball and knows how to find it. I haven't seen much, Monocle is he a Shepperd type?

It's interesting that Sellwood and burgeil are the same height. I thought burgeil was like 179!

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James Van Es was the other linked.

You wonder if some are targets for the WAFL signings.

From the that group, You’d think it’s a key defender that gets the spot if they can show enough. Any VFL watches have a preference between Brock and Van Ed. Philips and DGB also being linked still as possibles

 

[briztoon]

Can see Collingwood going hard after LDU, and North getting band 1 compensation.


Interesting narrative starting to form around next year’s draft, that it has significantly better KPP’s in it, compared to this year, which is why quite a few of this year’s KPP’s slid in the draft.