List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

This is apparently the direct quote from the article in The Age.

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Not sure if they mentioned Smillie in that article, but I’ve read that he’s the one they’re really keen on at 6, which is why they don’t want to move that pick to get up to 2.

And their later picks would be too late to be of interest to North, who would presumably only trade back to a point they’re sure they’d get Tarau at.

Yeah, I've heard they're into Smillie.

No chance he gets through 4 Tigers picks to us.

 

[amazingjoshy]

With so many clubs with multiple top end picks, there will be more games played than ever over who clubs are interested in

Would take every rumour with a bigger grain of salt than normal

Also on a sidenote, I cannot get my head around how folks talk about Ginbey like he's a failed pick

 

[Shueygod]

With so many clubs with multiple top end picks, there will be more games played than ever over who clubs are interested in

Would take every rumour with a bigger grain of salt than normal

Also on a sidenote, I cannot get my head around how folks talk about Ginbey like he's a failed pick

Because he didn’t dominate in the middle like all second year players should. Just a hbf.

 

[stallon]

With so many clubs with multiple top end picks, there will be more games played than ever over who clubs are interested in

Would take every rumour with a bigger grain of salt than normal

Also on a sidenote, I cannot get my head around how folks talk about Ginbey like he's a failed pick

If Ginbey plays like we expect he should then he will justify his pick.
If Hewett was playing footy I dont think anybody would be too upset about Ginbey

 

[Mop]

With so many clubs with multiple top end picks, there will be more games played than ever over who clubs are interested in

Would take every rumour with a bigger grain of salt than normal

Also on a sidenote, I cannot get my head around how folks talk about Ginbey like he's a failed pick

I don't know if people are actually talking about the Big Sandwich as a failed pick per se, but a defensive HBF at pick 9 really wasn't what we needed.
Hewett is coming into season 3 with essentially no development and minimal top level experience. It really is a make or break season.

Is it fair to pin the hopes of both of them into Ginbey? No. Is it unfair to, in hindsight, wish we had taken someone else with one of both of the picks? Also no.

Couple that with Chesser being underwhelming (to be polite), Burgiel being wrecked by injury and Clay Hall not really living up to the hype either (...yet, early days with that one), and it all culminates in a big ball of dissatisfaction, with Ginbey being the larger slice of a pick 2 pie.


Conversely, external factors aside, Sheezel is the real deal. When you pay them off, would we rather have Sheezel the Cheezel or Ginbey / Hewett? Right now we all know the answer.

I need to caveat, I'm a huge Ginbey fan. I love the big hair, he's built like a brick shithouse and he's so so hard at it. All of the hallmarks of a good AFL player. Again, just isn't - at this stage - what we needed. If he can kick it up a gear or two, then we'll re-assess.

 

[amazingjoshy]

I don't know if people are actually talking about the Big Sandwich as a failed pick per se, but a defensive HBF at pick 9 really wasn't what we needed.
Hewett is coming into season 3 with essentially no development and almost no top level experience. It really is a make or break season.

Is it fair to pin the hopes of both of them into Ginbey? No. Is it unfair to, in hindsight, wish we had taken someone else with one of both of the picks? Also no.

Is is fair to pigeon-hole a 20 year old who's played nearly every game since drafted in various positions?

How old was Yeo when he made a move to the middle?

 

[Mop]

Is is fair to pigeon-hole a 20 year old who's played nearly every game since drafted in various positions?

How old was Yeo when he made a move to the middle?

I'll answer reverse.

It was the premiership season, wasn't it? He rotated in and out of it previously, but in 2018 it stuck. Happy to be corrected.

Is it fair? That opens a philosophical debate about what is it and isn't fair about an AFL footballer and critiquing dudes not far into adulthood.

In saying that, Yeo and Ginbey are two very different players in my opinion. Ginbey lacks the foot depth and penetration and even the natural action with the boot. He's either a hard running linkup defensive best or an in and out retreival merchant a-la Priddis on roids. I don't see him ever being more than a B grader. Again, love the dude to bits - but this has been my take for a while.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Conversely, external factors aside, Sheezel is the real deal. When you pay them off, would we rather have Sheezel the Cheezel or Ginbey / Hewett? Right now we all know the answer.

Just completely ignoring the fact that had we not done the splitting of 2, North wouldve taken Sheezel at 1

It's Wardlaw or Cadman we missed out on with that trade

 

[TOA.]

What’s the general knock on him? 191cm versatile competitive beasts who are explosive and athletic don’t grow on trees. Especially if they also have leadership abilities.

I'm not the person to ask but i think its that he's not a pure mid (we are tired of taking flankers hoping to turn them into mids) and at least from my point of view from his highlights is disposal and decision making doesnt look amazing, especially for a top 10 pick

 

[Mop]

Just completely ignoring the fact that had we not done the splitting of 2, North wouldve taken Sheezel at 1

It's Wardlaw or Cadman we missed out on with that trade

I reckon we'd have taken Cadman - and we'd be melting for very different reasons. We really need another tall right now </sarcasm>


Wardlaw is a more interesting argument. I don't think we'd have taken him. History of injuries at the time made it a risky bet. We'd have the same concerns that we currently have over Hewett.

For fairness, I think he could be a genuine A grader, I think he's a cut above Ginbey, but the repeat soft tissue injuries and question marks of those even going into the draft - even if he's great now, and for the first few years, as he ages and gets into his mid-late 20s, are they going to reoccur? Lets be real - we don't have a great recent injury management record.

 

[TerryFilk]

With so many clubs with multiple top end picks, there will be more games played than ever over who clubs are interested in

Would take every rumour with a bigger grain of salt than normal

Also on a sidenote, I cannot get my head around how folks talk about Ginbey like he's a failed pick

I don’t think people think Ginbey is a failed pick at all, he’s one of the better players from that draft class but he also looks lost as a midfielder, granted he has plenty of time to change that but it definitely looks like he’ll be a defender from here on out.

Giving up Sheezel / Wardlaw is tough to stomach, but even then I thought Phillipou was a better option than Ginbey at 9, Ginbey has been better overall but Phillipous end to this season was incredible and I think he’s about to explode.

Top end picks don’t come around often and us continuously being in love with splitting, giving up top end mids is just crazy to me, especially after seeing the impact Harley has had and yes I know there’s no Harley in the top 3-4 this year, but there were several perfect top end mids for us still and thats why it stings.

Allan is a better prospect than Ginbey, he’s better athletically and slightly more skilled whilst boasting a more penetrating kick, but I still am not convinced he’ll 100% be a midfielder at AFL level, hence why people probably are cold on him, we don’t need two Ginbey’s in the back half.

 

[amazingjoshy]

he’s one of the better players from that draft class

Agreed. Yet for whatever reason hes jjudged way harsher than nearly anyone else from that year

Allan is a better prospect than Ginbey

Hope we draft him then

we don’t need two Ginbey’s in the back half.

Would be a good problem to have imo

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Chesser on the other hand...

 

[aussierulesrules]

When I mentioned Ginbey earlier I wasn’t suggesting that he’s a failed pick, more that you might not want to have two of the same type, which he and Bo seem to be.

I would have thought he was tracking perfectly fine thus far and still has huge potential.

I’d be very very happy to have either him or Allan at St Kilda.

 

[Mattman93]

Depends what you mean by distributor.
His handballing is very good. His kicking isn't exceptional, however, that's more about how he needs to lower his eyes and stop frequently electing to bomb it long. I think this will improve at the next level. He's not going to be an elite field kicker but he could certain avoid being considered a player with average-to-poor foot skills.
The emphasis has always been on Tobie's elite endurance, intercepting and defensive game along with his very good aerial ability and football IQ.

Fair enough re the latter part.

I don't have a problem with his kicking either, but I don't see a reason to assume it will improve by just learning to lower his eyes. He's diligent and good at limiting himself to either taking an easy/obvious target or getting a head of steam going and pumping it. Very safe, but if he started going for more directed passes by foot there'd also be much more mixed results.

Mixed feelings at best about his handballing. He has a really strange technique, holds the ball central and close to his body and cramps himself, then generates all the power by moving his punching arm basically straight out. It's true that he flicks out some very quick and effective handballs in tight, but you can also see when he needs to handball in stride or get a bit of distance it's unnatural and he can't generate any momentum. It's also one-sided; he gives it off to his RHS with the outside of his right fist, which is a nifty little action that can work in tangled situations but on the whole is usually unsustainable at AFL level.

These are related. He has good instincts and positional IQ, is quick-thinking and acting and frenetic in his playing style. So he's adept at identifying the closest teammate and flicking out rapid little passes by hand, but it's not especially creative and I think will be prone to blunders. Likewise he often gets on the move early and loves to use any space in front of him, which is also why he looks quicker off the mark than he tests, and is a good metres gained player. But again, it also means he's usually moving a bit frenetically and so opts to go for the long pumping kick.

But you can't argue with his intercept game, defensive hustle, his overall positional IQ and run. Overall this is why I've said in the ideal case he'd be like getting another player in the Duggan/Hough mould.

That's fine, and maybe at 12 he'd demand to be picked given he looks a certainty to be a 150+ game AFL player, but I don't know why people seem to think it's the pressing positional need for us.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

I reckon we'd have taken Cadman - and we'd be melting for very different reasons. We really need another tall right now </sarcasm>

If we took Cadman, we probably would have let Waterman go

 

[ep2018]

Well I mean wasn't that the whole reason GWS originally wanted pick 1, because we were likely taking Cadman with pick 2?

 

[stallon]

I think the comparisons between Ginbey and Allan are entirely limited to "plays hb/mid" and the fact theyre both great athletes.

Theyre different types of athletes and dont play the same style

 

[TerryFilk]

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If we had ball users it would be fine, but we don’t. All our half backs are absolute hacks with ball in hand unfortunately.

 

[EagleMan87]

HUN has a good article on concussion and the 29 players on the concussion tightrope

Luke Edwards on 3 concussions is our only listed player

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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mark-robinson-jake-kelly-discusses-concussion-factor-in-retirement-which-players-are-in-headknock-danger/news-story/758512f9b1c1f4f722cbf16987905d5c

Amazing that Hawthorn have pinned their hopes on two players with serious injury concerns.

 

[1Bally1]

My preference with Pick 12 in order:
1st Tobie Travaglia a elite ball mover who can play half back mid
2nd Xavier Lindsay a gaff replacement pure mid
3rd Bo Allen big bodied mid

Pick 26:
1st Cooper Hynes
2nd James Barratt direct Barrass replacement
3rd Jesse Dattoli
4th Hamish Davis

Pick 71 range:
1: Any smokey literally no preference but maybe a key back

If we land any of these players I wouldn't be mad but if Travaglia is on the board and we pick Allen I wouldn't be pleased but I will trust the club.

 

[stallon]

Is Lindsay even a winger? He has a nice kick and work rate but none of his traits scream winger to me.
Half back or a receiver midfielder seems more like what he will be?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

As I previously posted James most admires and styles his game on Tom Barrass:
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Were his parents born in Kazakhstan?

 

[FootyOutlier]

My preference with Pick 12 in order:
1st Tobie Travaglia a elite ball mover who can play half back mid
2nd Xavier Lindsay a gaff replacement pure mid
3rd Bo Allen big bodied mid

Pick 26:
1st Cooper Hynes
2nd James Barratt direct Barrass replacement
3rd Jesse Dattoli
4th Hamish Davis

Pick 71 range:
1: Any smokey literally no preference but maybe a key back

If we land any of these players I wouldn't be mad but if Travaglia is on the board and we pick Allen I wouldn't be pleased but I will trust the club.

Surely pick 26 on Davis no question. I think he will become an incredible player. It will suck to miss out on a player who is not only local but has incredible talent to grow.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Surely pick 26 on Davis no question. I think he will become an incredible player. It will suck to miss out on a player who is not only local but has incredible talent to grow.

Don’t think we pull the trigger on Davies we have Banfield, Wes Walley and Koby Evan’s who are av next year and similar arch type players