Politics The Immigration Debate

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Nearly all the key pillars of western society are under attack

1.preaching in schools and university western society has a shameful history mostly from imperialism.

2.Attacks on christanity, for example we have seen misleading stories from the ABC, the greens want the lords prayer removed and even on this forum you see the constant putdown of christanity.

3.Open borders with high levels of immigrants who refuse to embrace and adapt to western culture.

4.Constantly siding with Palestine and condemning Israel every time they try to defend themselves.

5.Fighting against cheap and reliable energy in the name of climate change.

6. The idea that gender is not natural but a social construct.

7. Attacking nearly all national symbols.for example change the day.

8.the constant obssesion with white male privilage.

9.the push for more and more global institutes with more power.

10. Using pc to sanitize humour and ordinary language often found un western nations.

11. Trying to cut back on military expenditure.

I am sure there are many more.

So basically....

Bastards that disagree with you?

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

You got to laugh at “my parents arrived with nothing and have never asked for a hand out....the immigrants of today just come here for hand outs”.

Well my father came here in 1967, was handed out free flights, free accommodation at Benagilla, free train rides to look for work. zero unemployment level and cheap housing.

And yet that's how the country was built. People with the balls to jump in a boat and take a chance on a better life.

It started around 40,000 years ago and we never discouraged it until recently

 

[its free real estate]

If you're talking about low birth rates and an aging population, all advanced industrialised societies seem to have this problem, not just the secular ones. One of the reasons why they resort to immigration of young adults who can start working and paying taxes immediately.

It’s secular ones. Religious countries have higher birth rates, secular countries are below replacement.

How does a culture survive of the people who practice it simply disappear?

 

[kranky al]

It’s secular ones. Religious countries have higher birth rates, secular countries are below replacement.

How does a culture survive of the people who practice it simply disappear?

As a species we would be far better off depopulating

Its this ludicrous financial system we have practised for the last few short years that relies on unending increase in consumption on a finite planet we should be looking at.

 

[Admiral Byng]

It’s secular ones. Religious countries have higher birth rates, secular countries are below replacement.

How does a culture survive of the people who practice it simply disappear?

I'm not sure any of them have actually collapsed yet because of it.

The children of migrants tend to grow up adopting the host culture they were born into. So I don't think it is such a big worry.

In any case the reverse situation probably produces collapse too via a different route: the society becomes stagnant and overpopulated and falls into a backwards spiral.

I think the Australian experience has been that children of immigrants largely adopt the Australian culture and add energy and vitality to the society. Stopping immigration for fear that somehow they'll suddenly stop assimilating is unfounded I think. It risks taking us backwards if we become stagnant, conservative and afraid of change - and the birthrate will still be below replacement level. Low birth rates correlate strongly with education and employment participation of females, so unless you want radical change there to the role and status of women in society the birth rate isn't going to change much.

 

[its free real estate]

The children of migrants tend to grow up adopting the host culture they were born into. So I don't think it is such a big worry.

Do they?

 

[Espe]

And yet that's how the country was built. People with the balls to jump in a boat and take a chance on a better life.

It started around 40,000 years ago and we never discouraged it until recently

This is why.

But sure, the simpleton argument of ‘this country was built of immigration so therefore should have high levels of immigration forever otherwise you’re a racist’ works too.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

This is why.

But sure, the simpleton argument of ‘this country was built of immigration so therefore should have high levels of immigration forever otherwise you’re a racist’ works too.

Wierd.

Should I counter with a graph if Mars Bar sales? Maybe that would take you troglodytes feel safe.

 

[Espe]

Wierd.

Should I counter with a graph if Mars Bar sales? Maybe that would take you troglodytes feel safe.

I wouldn’t be surprised if you did based off your past few posts, would probably be more relevant and factual than those.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I wouldn’t be surprised if you did based off your past few posts, would probably be more relevant and factual.

Attempt to criticize relevance and accuracy?

You're funny.

 

[Espe]

Attempt to criticize relevance and accuracy?

You're funny.

I know, tough to comprehend; you’ll get there I’m sure.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I know, tough to comprehend; you’ll get there I’m sure.

Now you're just boring.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Do they?

Well I did.

over the years I have known or worked with many others too.

 

[its free real estate]

Well I did.

over the years I have known or worked with many others too.

Into a majority monoculture. Multiculturalism asserts the children of immigrants never have to.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Into a majority monoculture. Multiculturalism asserts the children of immigrants never have to.

I certainly don't agree with that approach.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Nah. I trace Western Civilisation back to ancient Greece and then the empire of Rome. They were pagan originally and only transitioned to Christianity in the late Roman period. I see our current time as being another transition: to a post-Christian society. All of the things that have brought this about have sprung up and been developed within western civilisation itself, not the result of some dominant foreign imposition. Secularism, rational thought, democracy, freedom of expression, scientific inquiry, the printing press and the distribution of knowledge, and the democratisation of learning - all part of western civilisation. I don't think gender issues are that important, it is an issue on the margins, as are most of your other gripes. They are not the end of civilisation, merely the end of Christianity. Civlisation managed quite well enough before it, and will manage quite well enough after it.

Nearly all of the good things you mentioned about western civilisation were largely influenced by Christianity. Rational thought, distribution of knowledge, and scientific inquiry was inspired by a logical god that does things for a reason and by learning more about how the world works Christians could get to know god better.

Democracy was inspired by the Christian belief that we are all equal as humans under 1 god. The bible also makes it clear god wants us to be free, the 10 commandments were given after slaves were freed, so this plays a role in freedom of expression. Secularism only comes about when you have a god who says don't do bad things in my name and to love your enemies.

Teaching young kids they can pick their gender is a big issue, its social engineering that goes against nature. Putting the costs of power up so poor people die in the winter is not is a big issue. Bringing in people to our country who commit acts of terror as well as large numbers that keep wages down is a big issue.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Nearly all of the good things you mentioned about western civilisation were largely influenced by Christianity. Rational thought, distribution of knowledge, and scientific inquiry was inspired by a logical god that does things for a reason and by learning more about how the world works Christians could get to know god better.

Democracy was inspired by the Christian belief that we are all equal as humans under 1 god. The bible also makes it clear god wants us to be free, the 10 commandments were given after slaves were freed, so this plays a role in freedom of expression. Secularism only comes about when you have a god who says don't do bad things in my name and to love your enemies.

I don't find any of that convincing. None of these things are exclusive to Christianity, and furthermore Christianity is also likely to be the primary argument against it. Christian scholars have worked both sides of the street.

For example, Democracy was used by the ancient Greeks long before the invention of Christianity, and also by some pre-Christian Vikings. The main argument against democracy was monarchs were chosen by (the Christian version of) God and it was a sin not to obey them.

I think you've got the cart before the horse on this one. Western civilisation gave rise to Christianity, but I don't think the opposite is true.

 

[The Passenger]

I think the Australian experience has been that children of immigrants largely adopt the Australian culture and add energy and vitality to the society.

The fear bus has been driven before and it's no different now. Just the bogeyman driving it changes as required.

 

[EasternTiger]

They are predicting a fall in house prices. That will wreak havoc on my investment portfolio.

I say open the gates and let whoever wants to come in, come in. Give us your tired, your poor, your rental seekers yearning to breathe free...

 

[Deccas]

Nearly all of the good things you mentioned about western civilisation were largely influenced by Christianity. Rational thought, distribution of knowledge, and scientific inquiry was inspired by a logical god that does things for a reason and by learning more about how the world works Christians could get to know god better.

Democracy was inspired by the Christian belief that we are all equal as humans under 1 god. The bible also makes it clear god wants us to be free, the 10 commandments were given after slaves were freed, so this plays a role in freedom of expression. Secularism only comes about when you have a god who says don't do bad things in my name and to love your enemies.

Teaching young kids they can pick their gender is a big issue, its social engineering that goes against nature. Putting the costs of power up so poor people die in the winter is not is a big issue. Bringing in people to our country who commit acts of terror as well as large numbers that keep wages down is a big issue.

Democracy was developed in ancient Greece around 500 years before Christ was born.

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[Espe]

They are predicting a fall in house prices. That will wreak havoc on my investment portfolio.

I say open the gates and let whoever wants to come in, come in. Give us your tired, your poor, your rental seekers yearning to breathe free...

Aw diddums.

 

[greyhound punter]

The Hon. Julie Collins, the minister for housing and homelessness, was in the media a day or two ago claiming the moral high ground due to suffering as a child living in social housing (where have i heard that before i wonder?). Nevertheless, readers/listeners were than treated to a sermon about how Ms Collins, at various times, was facing homelessness but for the generosity of people such as her grandparents.

Which leads me to the current predicament many people now find themselves in around the country.

Ms Collins now owns 3 properties - her days of homelessness are long forgotten.

So why does Ms Collins, and her boss, Mr Albanese, seem intent on replicating their childhood suffering via poverty/homelessness on many hundreds of thousands of children and women?

Because that is what the government's current rate of immigration is doing. It is deliberate and it is intentional.

Thankfully, this issue is not starting to get MSM attention, albeit slowly. Dan Tehan was interviewed on ABC about this issue, however, the very nature that the LNP are raising immigration is a significant starting point. Of course, words are cheap, action is required.

We need to return the immigration level to a sustainable level - circa 100 000 an annum. Doing so will ensure improved living standards for all.

 

[Seeds]

The Hon. Julie Collins, the minister for housing and homelessness, was in the media a day or two ago claiming the moral high ground due to suffering as a child living in social housing (where have i heard that before i wonder?). Nevertheless, readers/listeners were than treated to a sermon about how Ms Collins, at various times, was facing homelessness but for the generosity of people such as her grandparents.

Which leads me to the current predicament many people now find themselves in around the country.

Ms Collins now owns 3 properties - her days of homelessness are long forgotten.

So why does Ms Collins, and her boss, Mr Albanese, seem intent on replicating their childhood suffering via poverty/homelessness on many hundreds of thousands of children and women?

Because that is what the government's current rate of immigration is doing. It is deliberate and it is intentional.

Thankfully, this issue is not starting to get MSM attention, albeit slowly. Dan Tehan was interviewed on ABC about this issue, however, the very nature that the LNP are raising immigration is a significant starting point. Of course, words are cheap, action is required.

We need to return the immigration level to a sustainable level - circa 100 000 an annum. Doing so will ensure improved living standards for all.

This is wrong. Immigration does not cause housing problems beyong a 12 month window.

immigrants bring more and cheaper construction workers which eventually brings housing prices down. Not up.

the problem with our housing market is a lack of land releases, too much red tape with building codes, construction worker and material constraints in part resulting from the lack of immigrants during the pandemic years, stamp duty and exclusion of owner occupied housing from the pension test which discourages boomers to downsize and the 50 percent reduction in capital gains tax for rented properties.

I repeat. more immigrants will lower housing costs beyond 12 months.

and we dont just need more immigrants to help our housing market. We need more to help support our pension system which will collapse if we dont boost our rate of working age immigrants.

higher immigration is critically important four our economy and to boost our standard of living

 

[kranky al]

Nearly all of the good things you mentioned about western civilisation were largely influenced by Christianity. Rational thought, distribution of knowledge, and scientific inquiry was inspired by a logical god that does things for a reason and by learning more about how the world works Christians could get to know god better.

Democracy was inspired by the Christian belief that we are all equal as humans under 1 god. The bible also makes it clear god wants us to be free, the 10 commandments were given after slaves were freed, so this plays a role in freedom of expression. Secularism only comes about when you have a god who says don't do bad things in my name and to love your enemies.

Teaching young kids they can pick their gender is a big issue, its social engineering that goes against nature. Putting the costs of power up so poor people die in the winter is not is a big issue. Bringing in people to our country who commit acts of terror as well as large numbers that keep wages down is a big issue.

Way to fundamentally misunderstand stand transgenderism.

 

[Cap]

I've always wondered and less so in the Eastern States but when we talk infrastructure it's about getting people to the not so big cities but making sure they can get to the services they need and or jobs they need.

It seems to be everything is too expensive except sticking more houses miles from CBDs and with expensive roads to get there.