Autopsy The not even The Bont, Libbas and Jones' heroics can drag us over the line against the cats thread

[Planet Dogs]

Naughton needs to be CHB. He would be an intercept marking machine.
English's best role is key forward.
Lobb and Darcy should be the ruck duo.
Dale should be dropped (should have happened after the Weagles). JJ should consider himself lucky not to be dropped.

 

[Libba39]

Not much as changed really, just the names have changed. Still rely on Gods hand picked midfield trifecta (originally Bont Libba Macrae, now Bont Libba Treloar) to get us across the line. Have some other stand out players, a group of other players that have great moments, then proceed to play like western districts players less than a minute later, and another small group of players that shouldn’t be in the side no matter what.

In case you hadn't noticed the current trend across all clubs is to play your best midfield group at about 80% of centre square bounces. We're definitely not alone there.

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[Dogs_r_barking]

The good
Our defence is working well, Bukhu, Jones, Richards, Bramble

The bad
Our forwards no cohesion, chaotic, Marra frustrates me he is so lethargic, and those kicks out on the full are just not good enough.

The rest
Midfield, Libba, Bont, Treloar couldn’t have done any more, but we are missing that fourth exp mid, we have some youth coming through but to challenge we need another mid.

 

[Next Waiting]

We were matched at source by a younger unheralded midfield, especially in the first half. They won't remain unheralded for long.

We, on the other hand, are still desperately seeking that quick and composed burst midfielder, a quality compliment to Bont and Libba.

Sydney 2005 style remains our best chance of success this year. They were able to defeat a quick and skilled Weagles midfield with physicality and bloody mindedness. Not pretty but effective. Until our white knight rides in on his speedy steed we'll be grinding it out.

 

[MrChristo]

Honest question - why was it reviewed? They don’t review behinds, that’s the offical line (or was). Has that now actually changed after the issue with Adelaide last year? All goals are reviewed regardless but unless the goal umpire calls a review, why review it? The reviews have gone cray-cray this year

That's a good question, and I'm only answering based on what I saw...
... which was the umpire gesturing to his ear to Richards, telling him it came from 'upstairs' (or wherever).

Don't get me wrong here, I'll argue every minute for the rest of my days that video/replay 'technology' in sports is awful. Flawed. Effectively adds human error (and variance) to a decision and is a MASSIVE waste of time. (*)
But, we have what we have. To the absolute frustration of most.

So in this case I can only assume that the ARC (# which proves my concurrent point that it's more of a commercial venture than any actual serious attempt to get decisions right), watched the replay (because it affected a score), saw what they saw and then due to a ridiculously contrived "system" (see # above) the 'drama' unfolded.

(*) Literally the only sport who has those right is goal line technology in soccer, which relies on multiple high speed cameras and doesn't stop the game unnecessarily.
[Of course the rest of it now in EPL specifically is just as bad as everything else around the world].

 

[King Harold]

Can some of you experts of the modern game tell me why when we have to kick a score to win the game during those last minutes , our forward line had no forwards ?

Surely you have some structure at that point ?

 

[stefoid]

This is the first time ive seriously favoured Naughton to CHB.
we dont need him forward anymore, and we need a CHB
Jones is great defensively but is old and his decision making and field kicking is so so so bad. could barely get one to travel 30 metres last night.
The young ones coming through are undersized

Our defence was OK. We desperately need Naughton to play a game more like Cameron who was everywhere. He showed he was capable of it against a shit team last week.

 

[cherrypie]

Honest question - why was it reviewed? They don’t review behinds, that’s the offical line (or was). Has that now actually changed after the issue with Adelaide last year? All goals are reviewed regardless but unless the goal umpire calls a review, why review it? The reviews have gone cray-cray this year

I thought the same. That was my bigger issue than actually overturning it. Goal umpire had signalled it, field umpire had given the all clear and Richards had already brought the ball back into play. I’ve never seen ARC ask for a behind review, I thought they only review after goals while the ball is going back

 

[Next Waiting]

The video decision didn't decide the game and it didn't look incorrect anyway.

Geelong had a more more clear cut non decision go against them with William's push in the back and mark in the last minute or so allowing us to get within a kick of winning.

Hack at the roots people, not the leaves.

 

[BEaston]

Scores from turnovers were the difference really. Too many costly mistakes by us, but played OK otherwise.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Honest question - why was it reviewed? They don’t review behinds, that’s the offical line (or was). Has that now actually changed after the issue with Adelaide last year? All goals are reviewed regardless but unless the goal umpire calls a review, why review it? The reviews have gone cray-cray this year

It's a very good question.

Goal umpire certainly didn't call for it, field umpire got the voice in the ear to tell them to go upstairs. Didn't think you were meant to go to the review after play restarted. Umpire clearly thought play hadn't restarted enough because Richards had only really played on when they called for the game to stop.

Have seen it before that they've called it back, but there's obviously the more famous cases (the Adelaide game last year, an Essendon-Gold Coast game in the bubble) where the line has been "we can't go back because play has moved on". I think they just do whatever they want at the time and barely follow processes.

I remember a few years ago (maybe 2020 or 2021, Bontempelli had one against West Coast?) where a heap of touched goals were getting missed despite the "we check every goal before it gets to the bounce" line they were sprouting.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Tackle Attempts / Tackles / Percentage

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Of our 8 clear-cut defenders

13 tackle attempts
4 tackles

Weightman had twice as many tackles as the entirety of our backline.

 

[go the dogs]

My biggest frustration is the amount of times they have numbers free forward of the footy. When we generate a quick fast turnover we rarely have players alone forward of the footy. When we turn it over the opposition have numbers everywhere.
We bust our asses too score yet opposition score there goals so easy

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Naughton needs to be CHB. He would be an intercept marking machine.
English's best role is key forward.
Lobb and Darcy should be the ruck duo.
Dale should be dropped (should have happened after the Weagles). JJ should consider himself lucky not to be dropped.

Putrid call. JJ has been one of our best this year.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Thought Macrae was good once he came on. No idea how he isn’t that fourth midfielder in the rotation with Sanders.

 

[Next Waiting]

Thought Macrae was good once he came on. No idea how he isn’t that fourth midfielder in the rotation with Sanders.

Thought the sub was the wrong way around and that Macrae should have started with Daniel sub.
Their midfield matched and probably bettered us in the first half.
Macrae's physical presence and experience seemed like it had to more to offer in a first half than whatever it was that Daniel offered yesterday.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Sanders is not composed at the level yet. Should be dominating VFL and building confidence to take the game on and work on his poise rather than playing hot potato at AFL level.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Thought Jobe Watson made some great points on commentary last night, especially about our tactic of bringing the extra up at the stoppage. When you do that you have to pinpoint your way into the F50, not just dump kick as the defence has the spare man.

 

[olimauldon]

In positive news, Sanders or Darcy would have to be looking pretty good for a rising star nomination this week

 

[BrisDog]

The video decision didn't decide the game and it didn't look incorrect anyway.

Geelong had a more more clear cut non decision go against them with William's push in the back and mark in the last minute or so allowing us to get within a kick of winning.

Hack at the roots people, not the leaves.

Correct - that blatant push in the back from Williams made it one-all on rubbish calls leading to goals.

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Was by no means a bad effort or game.

Scoreboard was probably a bit closer than the game really was Geelong had us for most of the game and then ran out of steam.

The good and the bad was that a core mature group was mostly responsible for our competiveness but Geelong showed how a team only when your best are not in the game. Cameron was good but Hawkins and Stewart were well held.

Bont, Libba, Trelor and Jones best by far and dominated their positions but that is 4 out of 22 positions and would have won many others.

Darcy, Gag, Khamis and Sanders showed some really good patches but also got caught out - overall though - brilliant.


So lines:

Mids:

English - poor
Bont, Libba and Trelor all fantastic
Baker - thought was good again just kept running
Gags - good but seemed to run out of puff in second half
Sanders - was solid - just great for someone his age but is still a bit off the speed of the game.
Daniel - poor and looks lost (he is too good to be playing that way)
Macrae - only on for a quarter and made some impact but he is an accumulator and would much rather he player at start and then go subbed off for more run. Also he allow Bont to go forward more which ultimately I think is a good thing

-> VDM or Garcia as sub - bring on speed

Defence

Jones - excellent
Red - solid but not great by his standards and very few marks
Khamis - good intercept marks but seems like he was told not to chase Cameron who ended up being the difference. He is really really slow. I reckon he is more a third man than a KPD. A fit JOD plays and while Cameron is a star he has the athletic ability to reduce his impact around the ground.
Duryea - was good. A couple of clangers but also solid.
Bramble - quiet - had Stengle (I think) who ran him around
JJ - also quiet
Dale - was putting in the effort but just seems a bit off. Reckon there is admin effect on him having the defend against bigger players.

-> JOD in and one of JJ, Bramble or Dale out.

Forwards

Naughty - did play more up the ground but couldn’t hold his marks. Still the best role for him and just needs to learn from Cameron and play with more freedom. Looks timid?
West - was excellent and was a shining light for show the impact of aggression - many occasions he won because he just kept fighting
JUH - was good but took a long time to get going. Missed shots meant a lot but he looks very slow around the ground and even looked to be limping. Has very little energy in his game.
Weightman - played well individually but not really connecting. Is running back for over the top but this allows defence to fall back and take easy marks needs to play much more like Elliott with fast leads to speed defence.
VDM - poor game. Bevo wants his speed and we saw it but has to be more effective. García also has speed but also has disposal challenges. Clarke has the skills but not the speed and skills. Arty has the speed and skills but not the work rate. Scott has the work rate and skills but not the speed.

-> So not sure. Admit I am García fan and he does find a way of scoring ugly goals like Clay Smith

Clay Smith

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

4.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.8

4star

. I like Daniel better as a high half forward but he wasn’t great today.

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Was by no means a bad effort or game.

Scoreboard was probably a bit closer than the game really was Geelong had us for most of the game and then ran out of steam.

The good and the bad was that a core mature group was mostly responsible for our competiveness but Geelong showed how a team only when your best are not in the game. Cameron was good but Hawkins and Stewart were well held.

Bont, Libba, Trelor and Jones best by far and dominated their positions but that is 4 out of 22 positions and would have won many others.

Darcy, Gag, Khamis and Sanders showed some really good patches but also got caught out - overall though - brilliant.


So lines:

Mids:



-> VDM or Garcia as sub - bring on speed

Defence


-> JOD in and one of JJ, Bramble or Dale out.

Forwards



-> So not sure. Admit I am García fan and he does find a way of scoring ugly goals like Clay Smith

Clay Smith

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

4.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.8

4star

. I like Daniel better as a high half forward but he wasn’t great today.

Forgot Williams - so did Geelong.

So

• JOD for Williams
• VDM to sub
• Macrae starting

Controversial:

- García for Bramble. Need the speed in forward line and in midfield.

I like Bramble but I think with JJ and Bramble it just isn’t working and prefer JJ. I also think Duryea is a better defender and Dale better metres gain offensive set up. Bramble is OK at all these roles.

Duryea Jones JJ
Red JOD Khamis

Dale

 

[Whoyagot]

Naughton looked like Wayne Carey 4 years ago - he’s regressed a lot.

It’s coaching. Hasn’t benefited from a forwards coach with experience in the position for 3 years now.

 

[MaxiBont]

Forgot Williams - so did Geelong.

So

• JOD for Williams
• VDM to sub
• Macrae starting

Controversial:

- García for Bramble. Need the speed in forward line and in midfield.

I like Bramble but I think with JJ and Bramble it just isn’t working and prefer JJ. I also think Duryea is a better defender and Dale better metres gain offensive set up. Bramble is OK at all these roles.

Duryea Jones JJ
Red JOD Khamis

Dale

Bramble had a quiet game yesterday but has been one of our best this season. Would do a lot of changes before thinking about dropping him.

 

[Dogs Rule]

My biggest frustration is the amount of times they have numbers free forward of the footy. When we generate a quick fast turnover we rarely have players alone forward of the footy. When we turn it over the opposition have numbers everywhere.
We bust our asses too score yet opposition score there goals so easy

The eternal problem. You would think we would have figured it out by now.