The OFFICIAL 2012 Draft thread: Picks 15, 38, 42, 48, 58, 63

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roos_fanatic08 said:
Top 10 in no particular order:
whitfield
grundy
toumpass
plowman
wines
o'rourke
menzel
macrae
vlastuin
Daniher

Mayes, Valstuin, Jaksch, Garlett and Kennedy could all go top 10 aswell. Thats why Stringer may fall out of the top ten. He could easily reach us, especially if clubs before us go with a few outsiders like Garner.
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Fair enough, but I still can't see him getting to pick 15. Carlton will be all over him if he slipped to 11 I would think.
Pykie said:
If Grundy is there, we pick him, he's not far off Kruezer at the same age, and would be a bigger bargain than Atley at 17.

If we end up with Stringer, I'll do cartwheels, patience will be required with him, but he will still end up in the best 5 players from this draft. It's a case of de ja vu with Joel Selwood IMO, and if the trade week rumours are true, and we were keen on him, I can't see us passing on him.
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Selwood and Stringer are completely different cases. Selwood did his knee, whereas Stringer broke his leg. He could still become a gun player, but on the other hand, he might follow a similar path this chap went down:


One of the reasons he was rated so highly was due to his hard running and acceleration, which could be severely hampered for the rest of his career. All part of the risk.
 
Personally, I might be the only one to say this, but I wouldn't want to risk pick 15 on either Menzell or Stringer. Pick 15 has to absolutely be a long term main stay of the club. One of these boys will likely need a knee reco within 2-3 seasons and the other has had such a bad injury, that his running style has changed. That's a recepy for disaster. Don't forget Jesse Smith also managed one very good season after his injury, only for the persistent soft tissue troubles to develop later on.

Do not touch, as far as I am concerned, not with pick 15. Pick 38 (I know they will be gone by 15, but hypothetically), sure, why not. But not 15.
 

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Even if you take one of the other 'safer' players, history suggests there's only about a 50% chance of getting a long term player.
 
Event Horizon said:
Personally, I might be the only one to say this, but I wouldn't want to risk pick 15 on either Menzell or Stringer. Pick 15 has to absolutely be a long term main stay of the club. One of these boys will likely need a knee reco within 2-3 seasons and the other has had such a bad injury, that his running style has changed. That's a recepy for disaster.
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May I put your mind at ease because both of them will be gone before we get the chance, being the top 5 players they are. Oh and I believe its recipe. If that's what you were trying to say?

P.S. I would be STOKED to land either.
 
Event Horizon said:
Personally, I might be the only one to say this, but I wouldn't want to risk pick 15 on either Menzell or Stringer. Pick 15 has to absolutely be a long term main stay of the club. One of these boys will likely need a knee reco within 2-3 seasons and the other has had such a bad injury, that his running style has changed. That's a recepy for disaster. Don't forget Jesse Smith also managed one very good season after his injury, only for the persistent soft tissue troubles to develop later on.

Do not touch, as far as I am concerned, not with pick 15. Pick 38 (I know they will be gone by 15, but hypothetically), sure, why not. But not 15.
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Pick 15 isn't really that high of a pick anyway, and then considering O'Meara and Crouch who were both up there have been taken out. Will be very lucky imo to get a 200 gamer, may as well pick one who will have the potential to be absolutely massive.

What would a draft without 17y.o and F/S picks (so basically add in Viney, Daniher, O'Meara and Crouch) look like. Here's my stab in the dark:
1. Jaeger O'Meara - GWS
2. Joe Daniher - GWS
3. Lachie Whitfield - GWS
4. Jack Viney - Melbourne
5. Brad Crouch - Western Bulldogs
6. Jimmy Toumpas - Western Bulldogs
7. Brodie Grundy - Port
8. Jonathon O'Rourke - Brisbane
9. Oliver Wines - Richmond
10. Jackson Macrae - Essendon
11. Jake Stringer - Carlton
12. Lachie Plowman - GWS
13. Josh Simpson - GC (GC rumoured to be interested)
14. Troy Menzel - GWS
???

Leaves us with Nick Vlaustin, Sam Mayes, Kristin Jaksch, Nick Hrovat, Ben Kennedy, Taylor Garner, Tom Clurey, Dayle Garlett..probably missed a couple.

In that case, we would have a real chance at Macrae and Stringer. Brisbane could take a KP like Plowman or Jaksch, meaning O'Rourke falls to Essendon - Macrae or Stringer could fall to us. :(

edit: Sad face is because the draft does have F/S picks and no 17 year olds...
 
Ben Kennedy is exactly what we need at the moment unless some one else slips he would be my best bet Garlett i think suits well at collingwood they need pace
 
Hard_to_Beat said:
One of those three. They look like the safest bets.
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Luckily for us it looks like those 3 should be around in the proper draft - well, Kennedy & Hrovat anyway.
Vlaustin, just relying on Grundy to slip past GWS and then Port (Richmond should take him at 9 if no one else has) and for clubs to choose Jaksch, Plowman and Clurey based on needs.

I mentioned Dean Towers in one of my earlier posts (a page or 2 back) for pick 38. What are peoples thoughts on him?
Mature aged (22), North Ballarat, won an award won by Barlow, Hibberd, Saad, Nahas in the last few years...
 
Someone will reach and take Towers in the first round I reckon. Could well be us but I recall DMac saying we preferred to take mature agers in the rookie draft.
 
LeFtBehinD said:
May I put your mind at ease because both of them will be gone before we get the chance, being the top 5 players they are. Oh and I believe its recipe. If that's what you were trying to say?

P.S. I would be STOKED to land either.
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It's more and more an athlete's game, and getting a player with mechanics issues is like getting a player with a congenital heart condition.
 
Hope we snare Josh Simpson with pick 15, would add some outside help to wellsy and they could become a magic pairm in years to come
 
I'm not sold on towers when I watched Vallarta play this year he didn't impact games as much as what people are making out. Very much an outside player.

If we so pick up mature agents I want them to be hardened players who can impact from day one. Towers while an incredible athlete won't impact from day one in my opinion.
 

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GrandBlue said:
Fair enough, but I still can't see him getting to pick 15. Carlton will be all over him if he slipped to 11 I would think.

Selwood and Stringer are completely different cases. Selwood did his knee, whereas Stringer broke his leg. He could still become a gun player, but on the other hand, he might follow a similar path this chap went down:


One of the reasons he was rated so highly was due to his hard running and acceleration, which could be severely hampered for the rest of his career. All part of the risk.
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Not really.

Selwood had his second knee reconstruction.

And unlike Stringer, missed his entire top age year, most recruiters were going off his underage year, some high school performances in Bendigo and his u/16 performances.
 
Heraldsun done a write up today on Stringer...entitled Geelong ready to pounce!

If he gets to our pick and we pass on him, it will be one of the crappest drafting choices we have made in years.

It's seeming that he will definitely be around past pick 10
 
Seems like a pretty longshot he will get to Geelong. I really struggle to see how Carlton, GWS, Gold Coast and Richmond will pass on him. They only have a quote from one 'recruiter' surely this isnt the general concensus?

If he gets to 15 we would have to be mad not to pick him up. Unless Menzel is still available.
 
Big_H said:
Seems like a pretty longshot he will get to Geelong. I really struggle to see how Carlton, GWS, Gold Coast and Richmond will pass on him. They only have a quote from one 'recruiter' surely this isnt the general concensus?

If he gets to 15 we would have to be mad not to pick him up. Unless Menzel is still available.
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I honestly don't think it is. He is an obvious slider this year and the top 10 is starting to look pretty set. From what I have heard Carlton aren't really interested. GC are keen on Simpson/Garlett and Richmond are more keen on Macrae and Vlastuin.
 
I'd jizz everywhere if we managed to get Stringer.
 
Is Stringer a BFNAAK? I seem to recall hearing it, but can't find anything on google

Would be rapt if we got him, no way we'd pass on him. If we were to pass it'd mean we'd be really keen on someone like Kennedy or Garlett which wouldn't be too disappointing and the club has earn't our faith at the draft.

Not sure what that article is going on to suggest we'd pass on him at 15, or any of the other teams in the 8-14 range passing on him for that matter
 
Event Horizon said:
It's more and more an athlete's game, and getting a player with mechanics issues is like getting a player with a congenital heart condition.
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Well obviously, but what are we going to find at pick 15? A good mid that either has great endurance or great skills. Almost impossible to find one with both. Stringer's talent is top 3, and with the best medical record in the league as if you wouldn't take that risk!

Hell wasn't it reported on here we were trying to trade our first pick + Wright one of the Dogs first round picks because that's how keen we were on him?
 
LeFtBehinD said:
Hell wasn't it reported on here we were trying to trade our first pick + Wright one of the Dogs first round picks because that's how keen we were on him?
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I believe that it was reported in the same manner that Julian Assange was BFNAAYH (Barracked for North as a Young Hacker) was reported
 
Selwood sliding to 7 is not the same as player x reaching 15. Thats massve!! It seems kinda risky, I haven't seen a player slide like that since At, oh, wait, yeah, I'll be quiet now. In our recruiters we trust.

One thing we haven't seen enough of is JZ or Cunners up forward D.Martn style. You probably couldn't keep stringer out if you tried. Will be a match up nightmare.

If fit, *holds breath*, then take him. But I will not be complaining if we land Kennedy.
 

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