The on topic thread 4.0

[RossFC]

Dr Bradesmaen is someone I would go to.

You'd end up like this guy.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Dr Bradesmaen told me it was a cover up, and that Jota (out 3 months) is just timewasting and will be available next game.

Klopp even thought it was nothing to be fair.

 

[Sozabarus]

Klopp even thought it was nothing to be fair.

Stop doubling down.

 

[Bostonian]

The word/brand is getting out.

At this rate there might be 2 Albion fans on BF by the end of 2023.

 

[Bostonian]

Chelsea copying us.

Todd Boehly and Clearlake Capital have overseen heavy internal restructuring since arriving at Stamford Bridge last year and are understood to have paid close attention to the recruitment model at Brighton

Chelsea scouts join exodus of backroom staff under new owners

Chelsea’s European scouts Sven Dworaczek and Leonardo Masieri have left for rivals as the club move to greater use of data in search for talent

www.theguardian.com

 

[chef]

Chelsea copying us.

Chelsea scouts join exodus of backroom staff under new owners

Chelsea’s European scouts Sven Dworaczek and Leonardo Masieri have left for rivals as the club move to greater use of data in search for talent

www.theguardian.com

Yeah I don't think that its a secret we admire your model and are trying to do something similar.

 

[Bostonian]

Yeah I don't think that its a secret we admire your model and are trying to do something similar.

If you're spending 100 million+ on transfers this window you're doing it wrong

 

[SM]

If you're spending 100 million+ on transfers this window you're doing it wrong

Why can't they adapt your model to operate at a higher level?

 

[RPCB]

I just read that the widow of Gary Speed has had a second husband die. How tragic to lose two husbands in the space of 12 years.

 

[chef]

If you're spending 100 million+ on transfers this window you're doing it wrong

Obviously we'll do it on a different scale than you. We haven't finished putting the team together yet.

 

[Bostonian]

Why can't they adapt your model to operate at a higher level?

Because then it's not the model we use.

It's a model based around not buying high profile players for large sums of money.

That's the whole point of it.

If you're just spending large sums of money on well known players then that defeats the purpose of implementing it.

 

[SM]

Because then it's not the model we use.

It's a model based around not buying high profile players for large sums of money.

That's the whole point of it.

If you're just spending large sums of money on well known players then that defeats the purpose of implementing it.

The model is identifying players the market undervalues and bringing them in to develop and star in the side and/or sell for multiples on what you paid for them, is it not?

 

[Bostonian]

The model is identifying players the market undervalues and bringing them in to develop and star in the side and/or sell for multiples on what you paid for them, is it not?

It's not based solely on the market value.

The data used is quite heavily identifying players that fit the style of play that the club wish make all levels of the club to be built around.

They even had a list of managers who are suited to that style should Potter leave.

It's actually all built around what the owner wants in football terms and not what the manager wants which is the opposite to how most clubs let the manager build their own style and vision of how they want their team to play.

This is the team v Everton.


Sanchez - £0
Veltman - £1m
Dunk - £0
Colwill - loan
Estupinan - £17.8m
Caicedo - £5m
Groß - £3m
March - £0
Sarmiento - £0
Mitoma - £3m
Ferguson - £0

All the 0 started in the academy.

Dunk, March and Sanchez are very long term players.

Sarmiento and Ferguson aren't $0 in cost, but undisclosed and not super high profile they were probably in the 500k-2 million range.

 

[SM]

It's not based solely on the market value.

The data used is quite heavily identifying players that fit the style of play that the club wish make all levels of the club to be built around.

They even had a list of managers who are suited to that style should Potter leave.

It's actually all built around what the owner wants in football terms and not what the manager wants which is the opposite to how most clubs let the manager build their own style and vision of how they want their team to play.

This is the team v Everton.


Sanchez - £0
Veltman - £1m
Dunk - £0
Colwill - loan
Estupinan - £17.8m
Caicedo - £5m
Groß - £3m
March - £0
Sarmiento - £0
Mitoma - £3m
Ferguson - £0

All the 0 started in the academy.

Dunk, March and Sanchez are very long term players.

Sarmiento and Ferguson aren't $0 in cost, but undisclosed and not super high profile they were probably in the 500k-2 million range.

That's a lot of words for saying "Yes it's about buying players cheap who fit into our club who we can then sell on for big profits", which is what I said.

Chelsea have bought a few players this window who fit that category - in theory - and are now trying to address a pressing need with Kante and Jorginho and Kovacic all on the decline. Don't really see how that flies in the face of your model. You spent 17m on Estupinan to replace Cucurella, this is no different.

 

[chef]

Brighton aren't the only team that use this data driven model either, so it's not all just about them.

 

[Bostonian]

That's a lot of words for saying "Yes it's about buying players cheap who fit into our club who we can then sell on for big profits", which is what I said.

Chelsea have bought a few players this window who fit that category - in theory - and are now trying to address a pressing need with Kante and Jorginho and Kovacic all on the decline. Don't really see how that flies in the face of your model. You spent 17m on Estupinan to replace Cucurella, this is no different.

Really?

A young player stars at the world cup then next minute they are paying potentially 100 million for that player.

Using our model you'd have bought him before the WC and not after when he's worth a lot more.

See the weird thing is that Chelsea have always had a decent youth program. One of the best ones in the UK.

The problem was the pathway to the first XI was often a very hard task for them to get an opportunity to break into the first team.

So your assertion about it being about buying cheap and selling high is wrong.

It's about having that pathway into the first team open to your youth players.

That's not the moneyball system you seem to be pushing as to what our system is.

 

[Bostonian]

Brighton aren't the only team that use this data driven model either, so it's not all just about them.

You're right.

It's about who collects and uses the data the best.

We do benefit no doubt from our owner being heavily involved in football data collection as part of his businesses.

 

[SM]

Really?

A young player stars at the world cup then next minute they are paying potentially 100 million for that player.

Using our model you'd have bought him before the WC and not after when he's worth a lot more.

See the weird thing is that Chelsea have always had a decent youth program. One of the best ones in the UK.

The problem was the pathway to the first XI was often a very hard task for them to get an opportunity to break into the first team.

So your assertion about it being about buying cheap and selling high is wrong.

It's about having that pathway into the first team open to your youth players.

That's not the moneyball system you seem to be pushing as to what our system is.

They were looking at buying him before the WC but there was the little matter of the takeover of the club that they had to deal with.

They're getting a steal on other big clubs that will be interested in him - Liverpool were already showing interest this window.

As said, you bought Estupinan for 16m, that's not chump change, and the scale of the purchase increases based on the need to the team.

 

[Bostonian]

They were looking at buying him before the WC but there was the little matter of the takeover of the club that they had to deal with.

They're getting a steal on other big clubs that will be interested in him - Liverpool were already showing interest this window.

As said, you bought Estupinan for 16m, that's not chump change, and the scale of the purchase increases based on the need to the team.

I don't think we paid over or unders for Cucurella or Estupinan though.

Both felt like they were bought at a reasonably spot on zone for such players.

We didn't want to sell Cucurella but Chelsea paid insane overs for him and his head was turned so he went.

Which is a prime example of how they weren't following our model there.

Evan Ferguson had interest from both Liverpool and us.

He chose up because we have a more visible pathway for young players to make the first XI. That's a large component of our model.

As Ben White showed we could have sold him to Leeds for 30 million and made a huge profit still. The model however is also about only selling highly talented players to teams in that upper echelon. Not selling them to teams in the same space as us.

To those teams we sell the likes of Neal Maupay...

 

[chef]

Which is a prime example of how they weren't following our model there.

Because we weren't, surely we all know that. That first window was chaos, Boehly was doing it all by himself.

We have only recently added Vivell as Technical director, Stewart is still to come from Monaco after this window, Winstanley has been here a month and Shields is still on gardening leave for another couple of months. Thats the team that'll be looking after us.

We haven't even really started yet.

 

[SM]

I don't think we paid over or unders for Cucurella or Estupinan though.

Both felt like they were bought at a reasonably spot on zone for such players.

We didn't want to sell Cucurella but Chelsea paid insane overs for him and his head was turned so he went.

Which is a prime example of how they weren't following our model there.

Evan Ferguson had interest from both Liverpool and us.

He chose up because we have a more visible pathway for young players to make the first XI. That's a large component of our model.

As Ben White showed we could have sold him to Leeds for 30 million and made a huge profit still. The model however is also about only selling highly talented players to teams in that upper echelon. Not selling them to teams in the same space as us.

To those teams we sell the likes of Neal Maupay...

I don't know why you're so bent out of shape over this.

They've brought in Fofana already this window, and there'll be others to follow, who are following this new model of buying the players before they cost insane amounts. They still need a ready made first team player who can step in at a fair price which they view Fernandez at, as he's very young and playing very well. Like you did with Estupinan. I don't know why you keep pointing to that deal as if it shatters any aspect of your own operations.

 

[kozi]

Saudi Arabia buys Ronaldo for a billion dollars
Lands there and calls the place South Africa in his first presser

 

[Bostonian]

Because we weren't, surely we all know that. That first window was chaos, Boehly was doing it all by himself.

We have only recently added Vivell as Technical director, Stewart is still to come from Monaco after this window, Winstanley has been here a month and Shields is still on gardening leave for another couple of months. Thats the team that'll be looking after us.

We haven't even really started yet.

And that's why I don't see it being similar to us to be honest.

He's just throwing money around trying to recreate something that was far more organic in its inception.

Boehly seems the kind of person where time is money and you can try and buy everything you want with that money.

This down turn of fortunes would be the perfect opportunity to bring some youth team players in for game time in this system.

Have any of them been getting a game in the PL lately?

You always seem to be up there in youth competitions.

Colwill has been excellent btw.

 

[glenferry23]

Saudi Arabia buys Ronaldo for a billion dollars
Lands there and calls the place South Africa in his first presser

Always important to remember where you are.

 

[RPCB]

Saudi Arabia buys Ronaldo for a billion dollars
Lands there and calls the place South Africa in his first presser

Did you see his training clips?