The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[dogwatch]

Are you suggesting the lawd is likely displeased with those cheap bibles he's been flogging ....

I only believe in Canine Intervention, not the other sort.
Dog Bless America!

 

[Floridog]

Now that the election is over I just have one question for my Australian friends. Can I come and stay with one of you for the next four years or so?

 

[Next Waiting]

The dystopian hypothesis I'm contemplating is that the American people are about to be politically, legally and financially enslaved. They just don't realise it yet.

The utopian hypothesis involves the discovery of unicorns in Yosemite.

 

[Next Waiting]

Now that the election is over I just have one question for my Australian friends. Can I come and stay with one of you for the next four years or so?

Sure. But surely not just one of us. What's wrong with the rest of us. You American's and your divisive rhetoric ...

 

[LittleG]

Democrats lost due to immigration. The vast amount of money being spent on people arriving across the southern boarder was just too much for white America.

Many Young people enrolled to vote Trump back in, rather than against him.

 

[dogwatch]

Now that the election is over I just have one question for my Australian friends. Can I come and stay with one of you for the next four years or so?

Sure, but it might have to be on rotation. We'll start a roster!
Shall we start it from 20th January? That's Inauguration Day.

Free chaperoning to the footy too (home games).

 

[Gold Coast Doggies]

Under the current law ....To admend the constitution, it regards 2/3 of congress to support it, highly unlikely

 

[Bulldog1954]

I'm really wondering what freedoms are up for grabs. Freedom of the press perhaps or dissenting views? Dissenting views and scrutiny over the last 4 years could be trashed with rhetoric (often extreme) but not much else, effective though as it has been. What now? Unfettered power. It's a little worrisome I'd have thought. One wishes to be wrong of course, but I can't escape the feeling the American electorate is the turkey that just voted for an early Christmas.

Freedom of the press will be an interesting one.

Multiple journalists had their credentials revoked for his election night event because he didn't like their coverage. This is in addition to the threats he made about prison and removing the licences for certain broadcasters throughout the campaign. Amazing that so many view him as a beacon of free speech.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/media/trump-revokes-journalists-election-night-credentials/index.html

 

[Next Waiting]

So the challenge would be to disenfranchise enough people in the interim to ensure Republican maga domination of the houses to a level of 2/3rds. It's possible I guess. Again it's dystopian, but if you could find a legal way to ensure that mostly only the people you want to vote can vote .......

Remaining subject to a wider electorates' fickleness and judgement seems likely a risky strategy for maintaining disproportionate power in perpetuity

 

[Sentinel]

Joe Biden's legacy going the way of RBG's?

 

[Doggy Dan]

Under the current law ....

Come on………let’s not be OTT and fear-mongering. There is no way Trump would get near the proposition phase let alone 38 state legislatures for ratification of an amendment.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Joe Biden's legacy going the way of RBG's?

Dem’s have been stuck in no man’s land for a long time and I can’t see them getting out of it anytime soon.

Becoming more and more difficult to get any traction in the party unless your ultra-liberal, yet won’t get near winning an election as an ultra-liberal.

 

[TMoney22]

Back to the bunkers. Nazis, nukes, Russians, 50% inflation and what ever other conspiracies you believe will happen now. The end of the world is here.
The markets are ripping, what does that tell you about the economy sentiment under Rep vs Dem.

It's not about Trump, it's about the last 4 years being significantly worse. Spin it all you want and believe your biases. Your obviously misinformed.

I'll check back in a while with some good news.

 

[yebach]

Back in the day Trump said he would throw Hilary into jail if he got into power.
I wish he did. But alas Hilary was free to continue doing her good works with the Clinton Foundation.
Point is, Trump talks a lot of sh*t. Don't take it all as gospel.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Pretty decent article about some of the things that went wrong for the Democrats. And makes some good points. Like how Americans are tone deaf to some issues, and back feelings over facts. Which is why despite good results economically, border and job wise. It meant nothing to the voter.

I mean when yanks think inflation is caused by Biden and is an American only issue, I have no hope for any of them to understand how the real world works.

It covers the working class shift. The Democrats image problems. The double standards Trump could get away with, somehow he could lie and insult his way, and no one cared. The shift in the mentality of the way the general voter votes these days compared to past decades. Etc

And some of my own points.

Biden stepped aside way too late. Two months was always going to be a long climb for Harris. She flew out of the blocks, but stagnated after that, clawed back some lost momentum in the final days, but it was way too late.

Republicans were smart to avoid a second debate, as one more poor performance could have undone Trump. But they let the Democrats momentum fizz, kept everything at arms length, and kept hammering home their message.

The Democrats misread the youth, black, latin and women votes, as it was not heavily swayed towards the Democrats as was predicted.

Harris should have gone through the primaries. She dropped out before a single primary last time she was up for it. I seriously have my doubts she would have even finished inside the top two or three contenders if she ran this time around.

Democrats have NOT learned from their past mistakes. In regards to appealing to the working class, they struggled to shake the tag of the corporate Democrats, even though Trump did nothing for the working class last time. He made promises they like (like last time), and says things will get better. That is all they want to hear.

Harris was not the best candidate. But it was to late to nominate someone properly.

The Democrats need to reinvent themselves.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11...lenges-against-trump-in-us-election/104567702

 

[dogwatch]

Pretty decent article about some of the things that went wrong for the Democrats. And makes some good points. Like how Americans are tone deaf to some issues, and back feelings over facts. Which is why despite good results economically, border and job wise. It meant nothing to the voter.

I mean when yanks think inflation is caused by Biden and is an American only issue, I have no hope for any of them to understand how the real world works.

It covers the working class shift. The Democrats image problems. The double standards Trump could get away with, somehow he could lie and insult his way, and no one cared. The shift in the mentality of the way the general voter votes these days compared to past decades. Etc

And some of my own points.

Biden stepped aside way too late. Two months was always going to be a long climb for Harris. She flew out of the blocks, but stagnated after that, clawed back some lost momentum in the final days, but it was way too late.

Republicans were smart to avoid a second debate, as one more poor performance could have undone Trump. But they let the Democrats momentum fizz, kept everything at arms length, and kept hammering home their message.

The Democrats misread the youth, black, latin and women votes, as it was not heavily swayed towards the Democrats as was predicted.

Harris should have gone through the primaries. She dropped out before a single primary last time she was up for it. I seriously have my doubts she would have even finished inside the top two or three contenders if she ran this time around.

Democrats have NOT learned from their past mistakes. In regards to appealing to the working class, they struggled to shake the tag of the corporate Democrats, even though Trump did nothing for the working class last time. He made promises they like (like last time), and says things will get better. That is all they want to hear.

Harris was not the best candidate. But it was to late to nominate someone properly.

The Democrats need to reinvent themselves.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11...lenges-against-trump-in-us-election/104567702

That describes the ALP's problems too.

 

[4Seasons]

This has been the vilest of threads, the abuse against Democracy sickening.
Now that the votes have been counted, hopefully people can respect Democracy over their own Narcissistic points of view.

 

[dogwatch]

Yeah I think Dutton is one of the biggest tossers in Aus politics and I dislike him. If they win the election, it is because Labor lost it. They have a identity crisis atm, some Labor voters reckon Labor has sold out, and Albanese hasn't really done much. Though his staunchest fans will get super defensive and say he is great. But right now those doing it tough are looking for answers. Not Labor politicians laughing and telling Greens senators to f off. When asked about what they plan to do about the housing crisis that has been turned into an investors play thing, that politicians themselves benefit from. Feels like all politicians are in it for themselves and not the average person these days.

The ones who offer some hope of reform of the rorts, such as donations to the parties, are the independents ... of various hues. Some teal. Some ex-Labor, some ex-Liberal and some others (Lambie, Pocock etc).

They will never assume power in their own right but they can exert a lot of positive influence on policy, decision making and democratic procedure.

 

[_Cerberus_]

The ones who offer some hope of reform of the rorts, such as donations to the parties, are the independents ... of various hues. Some teal. Some ex-Labor, some ex-Liberal and some others (Lambie, Pocock etc).

They will never assume power in their own right but they can exert a lot of positive influence on policy, decision making and democratic procedure.

Which is a big thing that the USA doesn't have. They are locked deep into a pure two party system. Small parties don't have any influence aside from maybe costing a certain party a state once in a blue moon. But in Europe, some countries have seen 3-4 different parties leading at some point over the past couple of decades. Here they can win plenty of seats to sway legislation etc.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

There's a reason why I avoid political spaces like this even tho I am heavily invested, this thread turned into a degenerate shit flinging contest and very much an echo chamber.

I do not envy the mods having to monitor this thread at all.

 

[BEaston]

This has been the vilest of threads, the abuse against Democracy sickening.
Now that the votes have been counted, hopefully people can respect Democracy over their own Narcissistic points of view.

Quote the abuses against democracy please?

 

[BEaston]

There's a reason why I avoid political spaces like this even tho I am heavily invested, this thread turned into a degenerate shit flinging contest and very much an echo chamber.

I do not envy the mods having to monitor this thread at all.

Do you know what an echo chamber is? I'm not sure you, or anyone else using that term about this thread, do at all. This statement in bold is completely contradictory.