The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[BrisDog]

Joe Biden's legacy going the way of RBG's?

Far worse

 

[Foxman98]

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Labor need to learn from the Democrats because Albo is Biden 2.0
(As in needs to step aside early)

 

[Pugz89]

Pretty decent article about some of the things that went wrong for the Democrats. And makes some good points. Like how Americans are tone deaf to some issues, and back feelings over facts. Which is why despite good results economically, border and job wise. It meant nothing to the voter.

I mean when yanks think inflation is caused by Biden and is an American only issue, I have no hope for any of them to understand how the real world works.

It covers the working class shift. The Democrats image problems. The double standards Trump could get away with, somehow he could lie and insult his way, and no one cared. The shift in the mentality of the way the general voter votes these days compared to past decades. Etc

And some of my own points.

Biden stepped aside way too late. Two months was always going to be a long climb for Harris. She flew out of the blocks, but stagnated after that, clawed back some lost momentum in the final days, but it was way too late.

Republicans were smart to avoid a second debate, as one more poor performance could have undone Trump. But they let the Democrats momentum fizz, kept everything at arms length, and kept hammering home their message.

The Democrats misread the youth, black, latin and women votes, as it was not heavily swayed towards the Democrats as was predicted.

Harris should have gone through the primaries. She dropped out before a single primary last time she was up for it. I seriously have my doubts she would have even finished inside the top two or three contenders if she ran this time around.

Democrats have NOT learned from their past mistakes. In regards to appealing to the working class, they struggled to shake the tag of the corporate Democrats, even though Trump did nothing for the working class last time. He made promises they like (like last time), and says things will get better. That is all they want to hear.

Harris was not the best candidate. But it was to late to nominate someone properly.

The Democrats need to reinvent themselves.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11...lenges-against-trump-in-us-election/104567702

The bolded are very interesting points.
Is she the first non incumbent candidate not to go through a full primary process and still get the nomination? Genuine question. She is certainly the first that I can recall in my short time of being interesting in US politics.

The corporate democrats will never shrug the corporate tag when they're getting Hollywood and the music industry to keep endorsing their candidates. I think the appeal of celebrity endorsements is well past its used by date.

 

[Royale]

Tackling the real issues of corporate greed in America. Trump team addressing the root causes.

 

[BEaston]

Tackling the real issues of corporate greed in America. Trump team addressing the root causes.

Hahhaha, yep spruiking people buy some useless goods within 10 seconds of the video.

MAGA/MAHA/USA - where people and their money are easily parted by grifters selling false hope to the masses.

 

[Royale]

Dem’s have been stuck in no man’s land for a long time and I can’t see them getting out of it anytime soon.

Becoming more and more difficult to get any traction in the party unless your ultra-liberal, yet won’t get near winning an election as an ultra-liberal.

They had an ultra liberal in Bernie but he lost the DNC nomination to Hillary in 2016. Was widely popular too but the stigma of the primaries being rigged for Hillary carries to this day.

Was the Democratic primary rigged?

Democrats made a big mistake in the 2016 primary.

www.vox.com

 

[Royale]

Hahhaha, yep spruiking people buy some useless goods within 10 seconds of the video.

MAGA/MAHA/USA - where people and their money are easily parted by grifters selling false hope to the masses.

That's all you take from it?

 

[BEaston]

That's all you take from it?

Correct. When your first line of a message is for people to buy your useless wares, what's the real message? I'd like to think I'm not a sucker for obvious grifts.

 

[Pugz89]

The bolded are very interesting points.
Is she the first non incumbent candidate not to go through a full primary process and still get the nomination? Genuine question. She is certainly the first that I can recall in my short time of being interesting in US politics.

The corporate democrats will never shrug the corporate tag when they're getting Hollywood and the music industry to keep endorsing their candidates. I think the appeal of celebrity endorsements is well past its used by date.

Tried to find info, and it seems pretty rare for someone to claim the nomination despite not actively campaigning through the full primary process.
According to Wikipedia, "Harris is the first Democratic nominee to be nominated despite not actively campaigning in the primaries since Hubert Humphrey in the 1968 United States presidential election."
That was before the current primary process was reformed, so it is pretty unprecedented.

 

[dogwatch]

Tried to find info, and it seems pretty rare for someone to claim the nomination despite not actively campaigning through the full primary process.
According to Wikipedia, "Harris is the first Democratic nominee to be nominated despite not actively campaigning in the primaries since Hubert Humphrey in the 1968 United States presidential election."
That was before the current primary process was reformed, so it is pretty unprecedented.

That didn’t end well for Humphrey either.

Nor for the USA for that matter. They elected Nixon.

 

[Werewolf]

Labor need to learn from the Democrats because Albo is Biden 2.0
(As in needs to step aside early)

Most election results these days boil down to a backlash against the incumbent. I couldn't see Dutton (for example) winning a federal election on merit.

 

[Royale]

Yep, Labor have done their level best to get themselves unelected in Victoria, and yet Libs still don't seem to be a great alternative even with all the financial mismanagement of the Andrews/Allan government.