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[StFly]

It is possible to be a Barbi girl in the Barbi world.

Life in plastic, it's fantastic.

Come on Barbi, it's late and you need a lie down.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Trump is no worse than Biden or Kamala. That stuff is a distraction. They are all front men for corporations, PACs and special interests. Trump is a more chaotic, loud and uncouth front man but the others are snakes in lipstick.

The left needs to reinvent themselves. They have all moved into the George Bush Neocon centre right and have replaced socialist policy with identity politics. People don't give a **** about trans people when they can't afford to pay their gas bill and a packet of chips costs $8.

I think a lot of people cheering victory will be just as disappointed as people who cheered Biden winning. US hegemony is on a knifes edge and going to need to get more violent and authoritarian to hold on. Biden did that already. Israel has exposed how violent the US has been internationally. People on low wages are hurting through inflation while the government tells them how good the economy is. Whoever is in power is going to have that as a baseline.

The Labor Party will suffer the same fate here. Socialist policy is the only thing that can dial back the economic imbalance. Trump won't fix anything over there and he'll disappoint. Something Covid saved him from last time. Capitalism is kind of ****ed now. It requires constant 3% growth that can't go on forever without importing people but people hate immigrants stretching the thin resources at the bottom.

I've got to the point where I don't get emotional about politics any more. It's not something we have any control over so why worry. There is only a facade of choice.

6:38am and you’re already talkin’ dirty, f*ck I love ya

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Each turbine requiring roads to be gouged throughout pristine national parks, 50-100m wide in some points. All that crushed rock quarried and transported in from hundreds of km away...

Yep good point, this too.
First 150m turbine installed a few hours from me got wrapped around a jarrah trying to turn into the property lol.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Of course it only flows one way at a time, what would be the point otherwise!

At the moment it's usually south into Tassie but that's because their hydro has been underperforming, it varies though:

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Unless they build more dams or they reduce the population of Tasmania , it will probably remain one way.
Plenty of reasons for 2 way electricity links and they are pretty common. Especially in a renewable grid where supply and demand can get very complicated.

Momentum advertise their Hydro in Victoria, but they typically aren't selling it into Victoria , deceptive IMO.

 

[Nutsngum]

Trump is no worse than Biden or Kamala. That stuff is a distraction. They are all front men for corporations, PACs and special interests. Trump is a more chaotic, loud and uncouth front man but the others are snakes in lipstick.

The left needs to reinvent themselves. They have all moved into the George Bush Neocon centre right and have replaced socialist policy with identity politics. People don't give a **** about trans people when they can't afford to pay their gas bill and a packet of chips costs $8.

I think a lot of people cheering victory will be just as disappointed as people who cheered Biden winning. US hegemony is on a knifes edge and going to need to get more violent and authoritarian to hold on. Biden did that already. Israel has exposed how violent the US has been internationally. People on low wages are hurting through inflation while the government tells them how good the economy is. Whoever is in power is going to have that as a baseline.

The Labor Party will suffer the same fate here. Socialist policy is the only thing that can dial back the economic imbalance. Trump won't fix anything over there and he'll disappoint. Something Covid saved him from last time. Capitalism is kind of ****ed now. It requires constant 3% growth that can't go on forever without importing people but people hate immigrants stretching the thin resources at the bottom.

I've got to the point where I don't get emotional about politics any more. It's not something we have any control over so why worry. There is only a facade of choice.

Im inclined to very much agree with this consensus. The biggest issue about Trump is that he, above all, is incredibly lazy and pretty much fails to go through properly with any of his promises or outsources so much of it that it effectively gets ignored and forgotten about. He is basically a figurehead that's fairly easily manipulated. Their economy is going to continue to look surface level good but the average person's quality of life will continue to diminish.

I think you're 100% right on covid as well. It gave the yanks a reason to boot him before his general poor management of the country came in to roost and the democrats just kind of filled in for a few years without things getting drastically worse.

The only thing that is kind of perplexing to me is the large popular shift to trump this time. That kind of stuff is usually towards the "unknown" contender promising to save us etc.. but Trump is a very much known entity of doing sweet **** all at this point. Externally, Harris seemed like a decent enough candidate, but it goes to show just how finicky the yanks can be about the perception of strength and popularity.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Im inclined to very much agree with this consensus. The biggest issue about Trump is that he, above all, is incredibly lazy and pretty much fails to go through properly with any of his promises or outsources so much of it that it effectively gets ignored and forgotten about. He is basically a figurehead that's fairly easily manipulated. Their economy is going to continue to look surface level good but the average person's quality of life will continue to diminish.

I think you're 100% right on covid as well. It gave the yanks a reason to boot him before his general poor management of the country came in to roost and the democrats just kind of filled in for a few years without things getting drastically worse.

The only thing that is kind of perplexing to me is the large popular shift to trump this time. That kind of stuff is usually towards the "unknown" contender promising to save us etc.. but Trump is a very much known entity of doing sweet **** all at this point. Externally, Harris seemed like a decent enough candidate, but it goes to show just how finicky the yanks can be about the perception of strength and popularity.

It is about the perception of the economy, when you see prices go up and wages stay the same people want change.

With hindsight I reckon it would have better for the democrats if Trump won in 2020.

A 2nd Trump term would have copped the post coivd economic hit and democrats could have ran a primary and get a fresh face in.

 

[gringo2011]

Im inclined to very much agree with this consensus. The biggest issue about Trump is that he, above all, is incredibly lazy and pretty much fails to go through properly with any of his promises or outsources so much of it that it effectively gets ignored and forgotten about. He is basically a figurehead that's fairly easily manipulated. Their economy is going to continue to look surface level good but the average person's quality of life will continue to diminish.

I think you're 100% right on covid as well. It gave the yanks a reason to boot him before his general poor management of the country came in to roost and the democrats just kind of filled in for a few years without things getting drastically worse.

The only thing that is kind of perplexing to me is the large popular shift to trump this time. That kind of stuff is usually towards the "unknown" contender promising to save us etc.. but Trump is a very much known entity of doing sweet **** all at this point. Externally, Harris seemed like a decent enough candidate, but it goes to show just how finicky the yanks can be about the perception of strength and popularity.

He offers a the idea of change, even if they know deep down he probably won't do much for them. Inflation is a worldwide thing and while the US looks great on paper the crumbs aren't falling to the bottom. Kamala is seen as a bit of a snake and like Labor here they aren't listening to their base.

They want to look like good people but all their policies are aimed at continuing the status quo where big business and extractors take a lot out and don't put much back.

Labor needs to take a good hard look at the result or that will happen to them. Hopefully they drop AUKUS now and put in a real corruption commission with teeth. They need to make some brave moves on negative gearing and stop stuffing around with stupid lightweight policy.

Kamala came across as disingenuous and little bit snaky but her biggest issue was that she was just Biden with ****. People don't want billions spent on wars overseas when they can't afford the basics. The Dems didn't stand up to the arms industry, AIPAC, their corporate sponsors or and other special interest group. Trump says he will and that appeals to a lot. Also the anti immigration stuff in tough times is always a winner for populists.

 

[gringo2011]

It is about the perception of the economy, when you see prices go up and wages stay the same people want change.

With hindsight I reckon it would have better for the democrats if Trump won in 2020.

A 2nd Trump term would have copped the post coivd economic hit and democrats could have ran a primary and get a fresh face in.

Bernie would have been a better choice. No-one liked Kamala, Hilary or Biden but they went with the corporate stooge candidates. Like in England where they knifed Corbyn for Starmer. Starmer is more Tory than Margaret Thatcher. He'll be a one term PM.

 

[Nutsngum]

It is about the perception of the economy, when you see prices go up and wages stay the same people want change.

With hindsight I reckon it would have better for the democrats if Trump won in 2020.

A 2nd Trump term would have copped the post coivd economic hit and democrats could have ran a primary and get a fresh face in.

Was basically discussing just this over lunch with co workers and I reckon youre on the money. In addition it would have been more of the same rusted on republicans as part of it as opposed to these loony "project 2025" guys who are the real worry about America going forward.

He offers a the idea of change, even if they know deep down he probably won't do much for them. Inflation is a worldwide thing and while the US looks great on paper the crumbs aren't falling to the bottom. Kamala is seen as a bit of a snake and like Labor here they aren't listening to their base.

They want to look like good people but all their policies are aimed at continuing the status quo where big business and extractors take a lot out and don't put much back.

Labor needs to take a good hard look at the result or that will happen to them. Hopefully they drop AUKUS now and put in a real corruption commission with teeth. They need to make some brave moves on negative gearing and stop stuffing around with stupid lightweight policy.

Kamala came across as disingenuous and little bit snaky but her biggest issue was that she was just Biden with ****. People don't want billions spent on wars overseas when they can't afford the basics. The Dems didn't stand up to the arms industry, AIPAC, their corporate sponsors or and other special interest group. Trump says he will and that appeals to a lot. Also the anti immigration stuff in tough times is always a winner for populists.

Looking at the voter turn out, its pretty much spelled out right there in the sheer lack of numbers showing up how badly the Democrats ****ed up. Its also an indictment on America in general that both sides couldn't be arsed to actually vote for their country properly. Our system isnt perfect but its so much better a representation of the actual desires of the population.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Bernie would have been a better choice. No-one liked Kamala, Hilary or Biden but they went with the corporate stooge candidates. Like in England where they knifed Corbyn for Starmer. Starmer is more Tory than Margaret Thatcher. He'll be a one term PM.

Bernie should have been the candidate in 2016.

Post GFC and offering the status quo in Hillary was a bad idea.

Labor needs to take a good hard look at the result or that will happen to them. Hopefully they drop AUKUS now and put in a real corruption commission with teeth. They need to make some brave moves on negative gearing and stop stuffing around with stupid lightweight policy.

Going against housing is something that will take a lot of political capital, housing as an investment is harming the west all over the world.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Was basically discussing just this over lunch with co workers and I reckon youre on the money. In addition it would have been more of the same rusted on republicans as part of it as opposed to these loony "project 2025" guys who are the real worry about America going forward.


Looking at the voter turn out, its pretty much spelled out right there in the sheer lack of numbers showing up how badly the Democrats ****ed up. Its also an indictment on America in general that both sides couldn't be arsed to actually vote for their country properly. Our system isnt perfect but its so much better a representation of the actual desires of the population.

Or, could it be something else?
Biden more popular and stirring than Obamna? Me thinks not.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Well we could start eating more kangaroo, invest more into batteries, create a good ev network, have well planned infrastructure.

Doing nothing is pure defeatism

We could also electrify things like V/Line

 

[StFly]

Just because... Bernie is an independent, he just leans Democrat, thus, he couldn't be Kamalas replacement who was the literal vice president in a democratic government, well, currently since 3 month transfer window.

I kinda don't get why people spruik that and yet wish to speak on things political over there. In DemvGOP you can't go IND, locally you can per region for senate things, nationally nope as you're not part of those parties.

We could also electrify things like V/Line

Oh I can chat about this!

Takes literal decades to do as there's no money in it, so, metro only gives a toss if you can provide several reasons for it to happen and there's no reason at all for it to not be staged where it might happen in 2142. Still waiting on the proposed second station to be like Footscray BTW.

I mean hell, it took us almost 20 years to get a second road over a state freight rail line for almost 50k people, as why bother, just spend more time in your car, waiting. Hence great cardio as I was in walking distance, though these days my arms hate me for carrying all that shopping previously.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Takes literal decades to do as there's no money in it, so, metro only gives a toss if you can provide several reasons for it to happen and there's no reason at all for it to not be staged where it might happen in 2142. Still waiting on the proposed second station to be like Footscray BTW.

Oh don't worry I know the costs. The biggest ****up was ripping up the the Gippsland line electrification.

Metro only care about things up to thier lease boundary. Wires beyond the blue painted sleepers will be V/Line's issue

 

[Nutsngum]

Or, could it be something else?
Biden more popular and stirring than Obamna? Me thinks not.

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Biden was a good candidate in 2020 and coming off Covid people evidently were desperate to get Trump out of power.
But thats thats kind of the point. The Democrats failed badly to maintain those new voters. No one expects a full retention, but even retaining a third of that extra 15 million would have kept them in power if they were focused in the key states.

The people who were rallied in 2020 didn't bother this time around and that's squarely on the democrats thinking they could rely on Biden again then pivoting too late and losing a lot of them. The addition of Harris being both a woman and black just cannot work in America either.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Biden was a good candidate in 2020 and coming off Covid people evidently were desperate to get Trump out of power.
But thats thats kind of the point. The Democrats failed badly to maintain those new voters. No one expects a full retention, but even retaining a third of that extra 15 million would have kept them in power if they were focused in the key states.

The people who were rallied in 2020 didn't bother this time around and that's squarely on the democrats thinking they could rely on Biden again then pivoting too late and losing a lot of them. The addition of Harris being both a woman and black just cannot work in America either.

The point is were the 15-20 million voters really there last time…

Your final point about being black and a woman is utter garbage.
1. What colour is Obama (ps Kamala is brown, not black)
2. Maybe put forth a capable woman. People don’t and shouldn’t vote on sex alone.

 

[Mowman]

People don’t and shouldn’t vote on sex alone.

always better with someone

 

[Nutsngum]

The point is were the 15-20 million voters really there last time…

Your final point about being black and a woman is utter garbage.
1. What colour is Obama (ps Kamala is brown, not black)
2. Maybe put forth a capable woman. People don’t and shouldn’t vote on sex alone.

Stop wasting my time.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I've had a Negroni for the first time.

**** me it would blow your brains out

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Biden was a good candidate in 2020 and coming off Covid people evidently were desperate to get Trump out of power.
But thats thats kind of the point. The Democrats failed badly to maintain those new voters. No one expects a full retention, but even retaining a third of that extra 15 million would have kept them in power if they were focused in the key states.

The people who were rallied in 2020 didn't bother this time around and that's squarely on the democrats thinking they could rely on Biden again then pivoting too late and losing a lot of them. The addition of Harris being both a woman and black just cannot work in America either.

I feel that democrats are too concerned with keeping the neo liberal status quo and since 2008 have always gone foe the "anointed" choice rather then an open primary (excluding 2012 for obvious reasons)

In 2016 and 2024 they needed a a candidate who offered change. Ditch going after neo cons, ditch any diversive rehethoric.

Focus on class politics, economy, healthcare and infrastructure.

 

[marcus1232]

I've had a Negroni for the first time.

**** me it would blow your brains out

Not pleasant serious Firestarter stuff

 

[BigPowerForward]

Meanwhile, back in the White House

 

[StFly]

Meanwhile, back in the White House

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[Dard Ball Get]

Meanwhile, back in the White House

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