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[Pakenhamsaint]

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The government has just folded on recognition of a Palestinian state after a year of voting with the US. Pressuring politicians works and it should be a right in every society. When it's something you believe strongly in you'll want the right to do it too.

I'd wager they only acted because thier jobs are on the line.

Nothing motivates a politician more than the threat of losing thier job

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Inflation and land tax etc has definitely even made life harder for boomers too. The middle class has been decimated, probably even more than the working classes in trades.

Land tax is getting those boomers to flog off thier investment properties so it's not a bad thing

 

[True Believer]

My comment wasn't in response to your belief that trans women aren't real women. I believe a distinction between cis and trans women is important for a range of reasons.

If anything it was more about your comments about mutilating kids. It's something a lot on the right do, act like they're outraged on behalf of the millions of confused kids getting mutilated by ideologues and profit driven doctors.

If these people really cared about kids they'd know that gender reassignment surgery of minors is incredibly, incredibly rare. They would also know that trans kids who receive appropriate gender affirming care (could be as simple as letting them change their names and pronouns) have lower rates of suicide than those forced to comply with their biological gender.

If you find trans people so icky, that you refuse to budget whatsoever and are willing to accept the trans kids having worse outcomes, I won't argue you on that. That's a subjective call.

But I don't like the feigned care for the kids. Because even if you don't like it, the health statistics clearly indicate that gender affirming care helps kids, even if you don't like the solution.

Warning in advance - sorry, this ended up being an essay - not what I planned at the start....

Ok - so according to you, the amount of kids undergoing gender "reassignment" surgery is miniscule, yes? If so, can you please explain why there appears to be SO much focus on the issue from various government departments around the western democratic nations of the world?

People employed at high level in various departments of health are unable to define a woman! All the government forms now ask about pronouns, non-sex specific toilets need to be available in public spaces....why all this effort and focus if the numbers of people affected are so small?

I would argue that the average person doesn't give two hoots about the issue, and probably has genuine sympathy for any poor soul who has either been genuinely had the misfortune to be born a hermaphrodite or genuinely is mentally the opposite sex of the body they are inhabiting. What people object to is being told they are a bigot or a "hater" because the acceptable behaviour and language being forced on them does not align with the reality of the issue it is supposedly employed to address.

The real problem is Fabian Socialists and their long march through the institutions, They have successfully captured most of education and the public service in the western democracies, and they are well on their way through the media. The things that shape the language that people use, that influence the social norms of the day, and most importantly that shapes the minds of the young.

The aim of Fabian Socialism is a bloodless coup. The conquering of an empire by force requires force to be permanently used to retain control. Eventually the subjugated will rise uup against that force. If you conquer slowly from within, by shaping the language that people use (therefore changing how they think), by gaining access to indoctrinate the youth from as young as possible, you will eventually shape that society to your will.

The baisc unit within a community that has always remained to repel force is the nuclear family. Citizens can see their country invaded and find a way to live under the boot-heel of an invader if necessary, without fighting back. The same applies if the invaders overrun their home town or village, or if those invaders ban them from practising their religious faith. But the push back point is always the same - family. If all else is lost, a man who is not a warrior will finally fight back when the lives of his family are under threat.

Therefore Fabian socialism requires the family unit to be broken down. Hence we've seen single mothers go from being stigmatised to being heroes, the role of fathers go from being respected to being ridiculed in the media, men go from being protectors and providers to being "toxic", basic genders norms that apply to 98% of society being deconstructed.

We have had an explosion of young people identifying as "non-binary" and as any one of the ridiculous 72 "genders" or whatever the count is up to now. There are reports of young kids in school identifying as cats, although not in the numbers to justify the headlines. Do you think that those people always existed and we just suppressed them, and now they are able to be open about the problem? No they didn't always exist. There is a reason almost all of these people are adolescent girls. At a time of life that is difficult for most, when they are moving into adulthood and developing their understanding of who they are as a person, and their place in the world, they are being manipulated as political fodder.

The bait is a "special" place in society, and lots of being the centre of attention - traditionally a very attractive proposition for adolescent girls.

People are pushing back now and electing people like Trump, because they have reached their limit on how much absurdity they can tolerate from their so-called leaders. They want adults back in charge to start addressing serious issues.

 

[True Believer]

The government has just folded on recognition of a Palestinian state after a year of voting with the US. Pressuring politicians works and it should be a right in every society. When it's something you believe strongly in you'll want the right to do it too.

And do you believe the position of the Australian government on Palestine will make one iota of difference to what happens there?

 

[jwikked]

Mike Tyson is a badass, he took some crazy shots. It was clear that Jake Paul went easy after the 3rd round, but at 58 years old, he went hard.

 

[Armoooo]

There are reports of young kids in school identifying as cats, although not in the numbers to justify the headlines.

This tells me all I need to know, thanks for your contribution.

 

[jwikked]

This tells me all I need to know, thanks for your contribution.

I kinda agree, I don't believe it's happening anywhere, maybe it happened at one single school as a joke, perhaps even a show of power by the student. Or a protest to point out how ridiculous the school is at accommodating ridiculous student requests.

Certainly not widespread, definitely not a problem.

 

[True Believer]

This tells me all I need to know, thanks for your contribution.

Avoidance and intellectual laziness.

Thanks for your contribution.

 

[Armoooo]

Avoidance and intellectual laziness.

Thanks for your contribution.

There are poor faith actors making up nonsense to capitalise on the fear and anger of the public.

If there were kids using kitty litter trays at schools there would be hundreds of videos floating about and there would be teachers complaining to the press.

People who fall for this obvious fiction are typically too far gone to have any intellectual discussion with.

Look at your post, you're comparing having to confirm a pronoun on a medical form to war, conquests, subjugation etc.

Just calm down, this stuff isn't that big a deal, it's not going to hurt you.

 

[Armoooo]

I kinda agree, I don't believe it's happening anywhere, maybe it happened at one single school as a joke, perhaps even a show of power by the student. Or a protest to point out how ridiculous the school is at accommodating ridiculous student requests.

Certainly not widespread, definitely not a problem.

The saddest part is how it all started. It's because schools in America do actually keep kitty litter in classrooms, but it's not for transpecies kids. It's for when they have to go into a school shooter lockdown.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Land tax is getting those boomers to flog off thier investment properties so it's not a bad thing

Me and my brothers have just inherited a place in an east gippsland swamp.
It came into the family when my Mother inherited it.
It was a little fishing shack but its been renovated a bit now.

Have to pay land tax on it now :/

I guess if everyone flogged off their little fishing huts, there would be more affordable housing in east gippsland shittholes. Not that some of them are suitable for full time living.

 

[jwikked]

Land tax is getting those boomers to flog off thier investment properties so it's not a bad thing

I know a couple of people who own some very modest homes (worse than mine) in a town that has basically become an extra suburb of Melbourne, 2.5 hours away. Their rates have shot through the roof because the Melbournite millionaires have come to town and exploded the price of land.

 

[True Believer]

There are poor faith actors making up nonsense to capitalise on the fear and anger of the public.

If there were kids using kitty litter trays at schools there would be hundreds of videos floating about and there would be teachers complaining to the press.

People who fall for this obvious fiction are typically too far gone to have any intellectual discussion with.

Look at your post, you're comparing having to confirm a pronoun on a medical form to war, conquests, subjugation etc.

Just calm down, this stuff isn't that big a deal, it's not going to hurt you.

I don't think anyone mentioned using litter trays at schools (I could be wrong there), I think they referenced identifying as cats - which certainly is occurring and was what I referenced.

But you see, your reduction of the issue "it won't hurt you" makes you either complicit, or a useful fool, because it's the acceptance, one by one, of this never-ending slew of incursions into normality that end up with the loss of the very successful and prosperous civilization we once had, by virtue of the statement "it's no big deal".

That's how we end up with female college swimmers being torn down by the press for having the temerity to complain because they were not comfortable with "I could see her penis when she was putting her swimming costume on in the girls change-room".......

See if you can figure out what is wrong in that last sentence.....although I'm sure that situation won't hurt anyone either.....

 

[jwikked]

I don't think anyone mentioned using litter trays at schools (I could be wrong there), I think they referenced identifying as cats - which certainly is occurring and was what I referenced.

But you see, your reduction of the issue "it won't hurt you" makes you either complicit, or a useful fool, because it's the acceptance, one by one, of this never-ending slew of incursions into normality that end up with the loss of the very successful and prosperous civilization we once had, by virtue of the statement "it's no big deal".

That's how we end up with female college swimmers being torn down by the press for having the temerity to complain because they were not comfortable with "I could see her penis when she was putting her swimming costume on in the girls change-room".......

See if you can figure out what is wrong in that last sentence.....although I'm sure that situation won't hurt anyone either.....

I agree with your stance on women swimming meets. I disagree with your stance on people legitimately wanting kitty litter boxes to shit in. I don't believe that happens anywhere, unless it's a joke. The whole identifying as cats thing is a joke, too.

It's funny though, I did an induction to a Government institution in the last few years, and one of the lines the instructor went with was " if someone identifies themselves as a cat, you refer to them as a cat". This institution was involved in the creation of weapons of war.
Insanity that you can advocate building bullets that "shoot better than the oppositions bullets" as evidenced by some of their posters on site, that german soldiers had more bullets grouped around their body, than the Aussie soldiers. And then force everyone on site to respect pronouns to the point of insanity.

It's cool to bomb trannies, just don't misgender them. That's a fireable offense.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I agree with your stance on women swimming meets. I disagree with your stance on people legitimately wanting kitty litter boxes to shit in. I don't believe that happens anywhere, unless it's a joke. The whole identifying as cats thing is a joke, too.

It's funny though, I did an induction to a Government institution in the last few years, and one of the lines the instructor went with was " if someone identifies themselves as a cat, you refer to them as a cat". This institution was involved in the creation of weapons of war.
Insanity that you can advocate building bullets that "shoot better than the oppositions bullets" as evidenced by some of their posters on site, that german soldiers had more bullets grouped around their body, than the Aussie soldiers. And then force everyone on site to respect pronouns to the point of insanity.

It's cool to bomb trannies, just don't misgender them. That's a fireable offense.

I have a former Niece who is now ...not a Niece , something else.
I'm always getting myself in the shit since the name has changed from a given one, to a alteration of a given one, to a made up one copied from a movie. I'll be out socializing with the family, and a few beers down, so not fully focused , and i'll stuff up the name , or say "her".

 

[Armoooo]

I don't think anyone mentioned using litter trays at schools (I could be wrong there), I think they referenced identifying as cats - which certainly is occurring and was what I referenced.

But you see, your reduction of the issue "it won't hurt you" makes you either complicit, or a useful fool, because it's the acceptance, one by one, of this never-ending slew of incursions into normality that end up with the loss of the very successful and prosperous civilization we once had, by virtue of the statement "it's no big deal".

That's how we end up with female college swimmers being torn down by the press for having the temerity to complain because they were not comfortable with "I could see her penis when she was putting her swimming costume on in the girls change-room".......

See if you can figure out what is wrong in that last sentence.....although I'm sure that situation won't hurt anyone either.....

So the slippery slope is the argument you're taking? If we accept pronouns, next we'll be accepting people thinking their cats.

Does the slippery slope ever go the other way? If we refuse to let people express their gender identity, do we limit their religious express next?, then their political?

Or are slippery slopes only ever possible to the left?

If we can't let minor annoyances go because of the imagined disasters they may lead to, can both sides do it?

 

[Armoooo]

I have a former Niece who is now ...not a Niece , something else.
I'm always getting myself in the shit since the name has changed from a given one, to a alteration of a given one, to a made up one copied from a movie. I'll be out socializing with the family, and a few beers down, so not fully focused , and i'll stuff up the name , or say "her".

I definitely think a lot of non-cis people could harden up a bit about people slipping up on pronouns.

I was on reddit a while ago and I referred to an actor from a game of thrones show as "her"... the actors name was Emma, appears female and plays a female character. Got called a bigot for not referring to them as "them".

When i pointed out that there are 8 billion people on the planet and i can't really be expected to know everyone's preferences I was blocked from the subreddit.

There are extremists at both ends.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So the slippery slope is the argument you're taking? If we accept pronouns, next we'll be accepting people thinking their cats.

Does the slippery slope ever go the other way? If we refuse to let people express their gender identity, do we limit their religious express next?, then their political?

Or are slippery slopes only ever possible to the left?

If we can't let minor annoyances go because of the imagined disasters they may lead to, can both sides do it?

Based on what i've seen of my brothers child, part of it is Gender identity, but it also seems to be a lifestyle thing. I see a lot of confusion in that particular person.

 

[jwikked]

I definitely think a lot of non-cis people could harden up a bit about people slipping up on pronouns.

I was on reddit a while ago and I referred to an actor from a game of thrones show as "her"... the actors name was Emma, appears female and plays a female character. Got called a bigot for not referring to them as "them".

When i pointed out that there are 8 billion people on the planet and i can't really be expected to know everyone's preferences I was blocked from the subreddit.

There are extremists at both ends.

I know who you're talking about, and she does a hell of a job on that show. Award worthy, I'm sure. Surely an Emmy.

It's also crazy that people get mad for misgendering, given the gender of her character in the show.

 

[True Believer]

So the slippery slope is the argument you're taking? If we accept pronouns, next we'll be accepting people thinking their cats.

Does the slippery slope ever go the other way? If we refuse to let people express their gender identity, do we limit their religious express next?, then their political?

Or are slippery slopes only ever possible to the left?

If we can't let minor annoyances go because of the imagined disasters they may lead to, can both sides do it?

Actually, yes, these days slippery slopes only appear to happen to the left.

I have no concern for what two other consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home, as long as no minors are involved, no laws are being broken and everything is consensual, knock yourself out.

The problem stems from the fact that people are no longer content with the freedom to do their own thing, they wish to impose their ways on others, by virtue of language (amongst other examples). My local drycleaner was a bloke of about 6'2" and 110kg's, and he grew his hair, started wearing women's clothes and make-up. He had no surgery, so despite the scientific fact that anyone with a penis is a male, I am expected to start referring to "her" or "them/they" or some other butchery of the English language.

I can run around with a propeller on my head, holding a gun and making buzzing noises - that doesn't make me an attack helicopter!! Someone who wants to identify as something they are clearly not needs help - not the rest of society participating in their delusion!!

 

[Armoooo]

I can run around with a propeller on my head, holding a gun and making buzzing noises - that doesn't make me an attack helicopter!! Someone who wants to identify as something they are clearly not needs help - not the rest of society participating in their delusion!!

Haha the helicopter joke as well, ticking all the boxes off of the cliche list.

Anyway, we should all just get along as we're fast approaching that most special time of the year.

May I be the first person to wish you a very... happy holidays

 

[Sully111]

My comment wasn't in response to your belief that trans women aren't real women. I believe a distinction between cis and trans women is important for a range of reasons.

If anything it was more about your comments about mutilating kids. It's something a lot on the right do, act like they're outraged on behalf of the millions of confused kids getting mutilated by ideologues and profit driven doctors.

If these people really cared about kids they'd know that gender reassignment surgery of minors is incredibly, incredibly rare. They would also know that trans kids who receive appropriate gender affirming care (could be as simple as letting them change their names and pronouns) have lower rates of suicide than those forced to comply with their biological gender.

If you find trans people so icky, that you refuse to budget whatsoever and are willing to accept the trans kids having worse outcomes, I won't argue you on that. That's a subjective call.

But I don't like the feigned care for the kids. Because even if you don't like it, the health statistics clearly indicate that gender affirming care helps kids, even if you don't like the solution.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions.

I find that's what a lot of people do when someone disagrees with them. They'll just assume their motivation is sinister. They'll cast aspersions on their character. Anything other than to simply look at what they're saying.

Must be that I find trans people "icky" and don't really give a damn about the kids. Throw in must be right wing.

You might have your kitty litter thing to judge people by, but when people do the above, it's completely pointless discussing anything with them.

You believe a distinction between "cis" women and trans women is important? You say that like it actually means something. It's a completely ludicrous statement. One is a woman, the other simply isn't.

I don't care how trans people choose to live, most people don't. Just as most people don't actually believe trans women are women. They're just too scared to say so because they'll be labelled all sorts of horrible sh*t.

 

[Yawkey way]

And do you believe the position of the Australian government on Palestine will make one iota of difference to what happens there?

This government is an absolute joke and deserves to be crushed at the next election. Unfortunately as we’ve seen here in Victoria despite corruption and incompetence without an effective opposition it’s hard to unseat the incumbents.

 

[Yawkey way]

My comment wasn't in response to your belief that trans women aren't real women. I believe a distinction between cis and trans women is important for a range of reasons.

If anything it was more about your comments about mutilating kids. It's something a lot on the right do, act like they're outraged on behalf of the millions of confused kids getting mutilated by ideologues and profit driven doctors.

If these people really cared about kids they'd know that gender reassignment surgery of minors is incredibly, incredibly rare. They would also know that trans kids who receive appropriate gender affirming care (could be as simple as letting them change their names and pronouns) have lower rates of suicide than those forced to comply with their biological gender.

If you find trans people so icky, that you refuse to budget whatsoever and are willing to accept the trans kids having worse outcomes, I won't argue you on that. That's a subjective call.

But I don't like the feigned care for the kids. Because even if you don't like it, the health statistics clearly indicate that gender affirming care helps kids, even if you don't like the solution.

That’s propaganda from the left and activists. You need to go back to where this all started to see who was involved and the lies and falsification that went on. Anyway as the rest of the world return to facts, science and real medicine we double down.