Analysis The Rebuild Of Essendon And North Melbourne And Their Future Prospects

[JT_the_Man]

Hurley is genuinely the worst player to use as an example here.

The guy has had a massive health scare and won’t play this year. Next year is his last year under contract and all signs point towards the current contract being his last.

Anyone who trades for him would be trading for one year of a 32 year old key position player playing his first game in 18 months. We wouldn’t get anything worthwhile, and he offers far more to us than he does anyone else.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Merrett aside (if he walks we have more than enough draft currency)

Two early picks and then nothing until 40?

I guess we have different ideas about whether Essendon are indeed entering a period of overhaul/rebuilding and what that might need to look like to be successful.

There’s no point trading someone like Hurley, who offers leadership and guidance to the younger players for a speculative draft pick.

How do you define a "speculative draft pick"? I'm not suggesting trading him for a third-rounder.

Hurley is genuinely the worst player to use as an example here.

The guy has had a massive health scare and won’t play this year. Next year is his last year under contract and all signs point towards the current contract being his last.

Anyone who trades for him would be trading for one year of a 32 year old key position player playing his first game in 18 months. We wouldn’t get anything worthwhile, and he offers far more to us than he does anyone else.

That may be true. My point is that you'd probably have to consider trading him if there was a decent offer.

 

[Great8]

I’d definitely look at cleaning house this year. If Merrett goes I’d also look at seeing what we can get for Parish, Shiel, Smith etc.
Load up on picks for the next couple of drafts and see what happens. Oh and none of that can happen whilst the Dodo is still there

 

[JT_the_Man]

Two early picks and then nothing until 40?

I guess we have different ideas about whether Essendon are indeed entering a period of overhaul/rebuilding and what that might need to look like to be successful.

How do you define a "speculative draft pick"? I'm not suggesting trading him for a third-rounder.

All draft picks are speculative. The further you go down, the more likely the are to bust.

The market for Hurley won’t be great. I’m not trading him for some pick in the 30s (which we wouldn’t even get) who could easily never play a game when he can play a big role in rebuilding our culture and mentoring guys like Reid and Brand.

 

[Beerfish]

My point is that you'd probably have to consider trading him if there was a decent offer.

His point is there won't be. For the reasons he outlined.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

All draft picks are speculative.

So you wouldn't trade Hurley for any draft pick? Because they're all speculative?

That makes no sense.

The market for Hurley won’t be great. I’m not trading him for some pick in the 30s who could easily never play a game when he can play a big role in rebuilding our culture and mentoring guys like Reid and Brand.

On one hand, you say Hurley has probably one year left. On the other hand, you can't bear the thought of trading him.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

His point is there won't be. For the reasons he outlined.

I guess that remains to be seen. My point is that the approach should be top accumulate to 30 picks and, to that end, someone like Hurley shouldn't be untouchable. Obviously the price still needs to be right.

 

[JT_the_Man]

So you wouldn't trade Hurley for any draft pick? Because they're all speculative?

That makes no sense.

On one hand, you say Hurley has probably one year left. On the other hand, you can't bear the thought of trading him.

While it was fun going in the circles with you, I think I’m calling it a night here.

 

[Beerfish]

I guess that remains to be seen. My point is that the approach should be to accumulate to 30 picks and, to that end, someone like Hurley shouldn't be untouchable. Obviously the price still needs to be right.

Correct. He's not untouchable but he may as well be because there won't be any to 30 pick offered for him by anyone.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

While it was fun going in the circles with you, I think I’m calling it a night here.

You said you didn't want to trade Hurley for a speculative pick.

I asked you what constitutes a "speculative pick".

And you answered that all picks are speculative.

Bizarre.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Correct. He's not untouchable but he may as well be because there won't be any to 30 pick offered for him by anyone.

I'm not sure that's true, particularly if he was packaged with an existing pick.

That aside, Hurley is but one player in a broader discussion about Essendon's approach.

 

[JT_the_Man]

You said you didn't want to trade Hurley for a speculative pick.

I asked you what constitutes a "speculative pick".

And you answered that all picks are speculative.

Bizarre.

Anything beyond 40. Happy?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Anything beyond 40. Happy?

I agree you shouldn't trade him if that's all that's on the menu.

 

[Yoda_]

I personally wouldn't be against dangling Smith and/or Shiel on the market.

I suggested this 12 months ago. Sometimes hard decisions need to be accepted as bad and move on before it gets to deep.

See Josh Caddy (Gold Coast > Geelong > Richmond) as one prime example


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[Doss]

I agree you shouldn't trade him if that's all that's on the menu.

It is all that would be on the menu, that's the point. Hurley almost certainly will not play a game this year, and by the start of 2022 will be not far off age 32, coming off a pretty serious illness and likely having not having played a single game for 18 months by then.

Even if he is fit, getting any sort of decent pick for him will be next to impossible.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It is all that would be on the menu, that's the point.

Yes, I've heard the assertion. I don't necessarily agree.

That aside, it doesn't detract from the broader point about what Essendon's approach could/should be.

 

[Beerfish]

Yes, I've heard the assertion. I don't necessarily agree.

Good on you.

Look, you're honestly better off trying to troll Carlton supporters. They're the ones that thought they'd be in flag contention this year. You're going to find most Essendon and North supporters are under no illusions as to where they're at right now. You're not going to get much outrage from us for the mere suggestion we trade Hurley for pick whatever.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Good on you.

Look, you're honestly better off trying to troll Carlton supporters. They're the ones that thought they'd be in flag contention this year. You're going to find most Essendon and North supporters are under no illusions as to where they're at right now. You're not going to get much outrage from us for the mere suggestion we trade Hurley for pick whatever.

Any discussion of your list strategy is automatically "trolling"?

What do you think Essendon should do at the end of the season?

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Any discussion of your list strategy is automatically "trolling"?

Anything you post is automatically trolling.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Anything you post is automatically trolling.

The kind of response that's available to the dumbest person in the room.

 

[Beerfish]

Any discussion of your list strategy is automatically "trolling"?

That's not what I said at all. Please work on your comprehension skills. They're sub par.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

That's not what I said at all. Please work on your comprehension skills. They're sub par.

If people talking about Essendon's list upsets you so much, maybe don't read a thread about it.

Alternatively, on the topic at hand, what do you think Essendon should do at the end of the season?

 

[eastfreo75]

North Melbourne has said they intend to be playing finals in three years.

They really overestimated where their list is at.

 

[The Nostradamus]

North Melbourne has said they intend to be playing finals in three years.

They really overestimated where their list is at.

We are expecting a Brisbane lions like trajectory
Bottom 2 again this year then rapid improvement

We shall see if we can emulate them

 

[Roby]

North Melbourne has said they intend to be playing finals in three years.

They really overestimated where their list is at.

This is based on a couple of weeks is it? Have you been following their two's as well?