Prediction The Rolling Outrageous Claims Thread

[Vdubs]

It is not a matter of form, as a forward he doesn't have the capability to be more than a mark on lead player, if he plays tall then we can't target him 1 on 1 in a neutral setting he gets beaten too much nor does he create space by movement the best he can do is bring it to ground, if he plays small he doesn't gather the ball enough or apply real pressure. Either way we're a player down.

If Henry could do either role then the MC wouldn't be considering Neale or especially Rohan. The smaller you can be while remaining structurally sound the better it is. Adding the extra tall robbed him of his identity.

Good players create opportunities he is almost entirely reliant on the good work of others to get into games. If he needs our team to have good ball movement then he isn't much use. Good forwards make what would otherwise be poor ball movement work.

I think he'll eventually make the switch to play up the ground, mimicking the Wood, Mayne move to the wing where he'll have space to work into.

Neale is being groomed rapidly for the Hawkins role
Rohan and Hawkins will be gone next year anyway

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Neale is being groomed rapidly for the Hawkins role
Rohan and Hawkins will be gone next year anyway

That's the worry for me. I think we're a better functioning forward line without Neale and Henry but Rd 1 next year both will be playing. How much investment do we need now?

 

[Vdubs]

That's the worry for me. I think we're a better functioning forward line without Neale and Henry but Rd 1 next year both will be playing. How much investment do we need now?

Disagree. OH is a productive HFF who has so much potential. We should be pleased he's on our list.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Disagree. OH is a productive HFF who has so much potential. We will b e pleased he's on our list.

Ahhh that word Potential... plenty of players have it.
Work ethic is the word i like a lot better though.
Because without it, all you have is Potential.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

It is not a matter of form, as a forward he doesn't have the capability to be more than a mark on lead player, if he plays tall then we can't target him 1 on 1 in a neutral setting he gets beaten too much nor does he create space by movement the best he can do is bring it to ground, if he plays small he doesn't gather the ball enough or apply real pressure. Either way we're a player down.

Good players create opportunities he is almost entirely reliant on the good work of others to get into games. If he needs our team to have good ball movement then he isn't much use. Good forwards make what would otherwise be poor ball movement work.

Agreed. This X 10
Needs more than one trick this young pony of ours.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Disagree. OH is a productive HFF who has so much potential. We will b e pleased he's on our list.

I don't disagree with any of that but right now there's something wrong with the balance of the forward line and something needs to change. Jez to the wing is just nullifying one of our great advantages so that's not the answer.

 

[catempire]

I don't disagree with any of that but right now there's something wrong with the balance of the forward line and something needs to change. Jez to the wing is just nullifying one of our great advantages so that's not the answer.

I think the forward line output is a symptom, not a cause.

Against Sydney we will see Henry out (hamstring) and something like: Miers, Neale/Cameron, Close, Stengle, Hawkins, Rohan. Hard to argue that’s unbalanced. And then when Henry’s hamstring is fine he’ll be straight back in, as he should be having kicked 21 goals this year so far. Neale is being groomed but won’t be there when the whips are cracking.

 

[Mr Meow]

I think the forward line output is a symptom, not a cause.

Against Sydney we will see Henry out (hamstring) and something like: Miers, Neale/Cameron, Close, Stengle, Hawkins, Rohan. Hard to argue that’s unbalanced. And then when Henry’s hamstring is fine he’ll be straight back in, as he should be having kicked 21 goals this year so far. Neale is being groomed but won’t be there when the whips are cracking.

This is how I see it.

Cameron/Dempsey rotating half forward/wing with each other.

Hawkins, Rohan and O.Henry the marking targets.

Stengle, Miers and Close the mosquito fleet.

That set up won't look bad if we find our rhythm and start delivering the ball well.

 

[moond0g]

Ahhh that word Potential... plenty of players have it.
Work ethic is the word i like a lot better though.
Because without it, all you have is Potential.

He kicked 41 goals last year as a 20 year old. That’s output, not potential.

 

[Romeoh1]

He kicked 41 goals last year as a 20 year old. That’s output, not potential.

And has done it plenty of times just when we needed a goal.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

He kicked 41 goals last year as a 20 year old. That’s output, not potential.

So are we aiming for 50 this year then??
After all he's a year older wiser and all that jazz.
If you're happy with his output good on ya.
But for me he's been pretty underwhelming.
One thing he has in his favour, he has time on his side.
But another 4 games like his last 4 he can learn a few new tricks in the Magoos.
Cheers

 

[moond0g]

So are we aiming for 50 this year then??
After all he's a year older wiser and all that jazz.
If you're happy with his output good on ya.
But for me he's been pretty underwhelming.
One thing he has in his favour, he has time on his side.
But another 4 games like his last 4 he can learn a few new tricks in the Magoos.
Cheers

He's still on track for another 40+ goal season despite his slower few weeks, so again that's not potential, that's results.

Obviously improvement would be good as well. If he could kick 50 or 60 goals, that would be even better. But you can make that same argument about anyone. Is Stewart one of the best defenders in the league? Yes; would it be good if Stewart improved further? Also yes.

As a medium forward it's hard to increase your output in terms of goals from where he is now. There aren't many medium forwards who have kicked 50-60 goals in a season in recent times. So, I'd like him to progress by being more involved when he doesn't have the ball with tackles and by adding another string to his bow to be able to get up the field and increase his disposal numbers (while maintaining his goal output). But even if he stagnates and stays exactly where he is now as a 40-45 goal forward for the next 10 years, that would put him in the top 10 goalkickers we've ever had. I don't see how you can look at that and say he's getting games on potential only.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

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D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

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2.8

5star

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0.4

3star

and the MC are right not to put much store in ruck division. We won 07, 09, 11 despite Ottens, not because of him. Furthermore, we should put a height limit on our future recruits. Say, no one over 6 foot two. Trade Conway out. Bring another mid. Put Atkins in the ruck. His second, third, fourth, fifth, efforts will be amazing! It’s not like our mids expect the ball to be tapped to them from a ball up, anyway. Not since we had Ott…. Ooops! The effort after the tap is what it’s all about.

 

[Mr Meow]

So are we aiming for 50 this year then??
After all he's a year older wiser and all that jazz.
If you're happy with his output good on ya.
But for me he's been pretty underwhelming.
One thing he has in his favour, he has time on his side.
But another 4 games like his last 4 he can learn a few new tricks in the Magoos.
Cheers

His last 4 were underwhelming while he was good before that. These fluctuations happen for young players with a lot of the moving parts around them changing (Hawkins/Cameron/Rohan/Neale all in and out, then overflowing in the same side). It is significant though what he achieved last year as a 20 year old and for the first 7 games this season. On that track, with rounding out his game over the next couple of years, he will be an excellent asset.

The rubbishing of him seems a little harsh.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

His last 4 were underwhelming while he was good before that. These fluctuations happen for young players with a lot of the moving parts around them changing (Hawkins/Cameron/Rohan/Neale all in and out, then overflowing in the same side). It is significant though what he achieved last year as a 20 year old and for the first 7 games this season. On that track, with rounding out his game over the next couple of years, he will be an excellent asset.

The rubbishing of him seems a little harsh.

Not rubbishing... just pointing out his flaws and a lack of tricks in his satchel.
Thought he'd come on bigger & better this year. Am I a tad disappointed?? Yeah much so.
When someone is highly touted. He will be critiqued at a higher level. That is a given.
I said a while ago, he's gotta have more tricks than just a jump mark kick a goal player.
He's heading towards becoming a one dimensional player. Fingers crossed he doesn't.
Playing on a 3rd/4th stringer back man and be surrounded by quality Bigs & Smalls.
We'd all think along the same lines i would've thought.
Maybe i expected a soon to be 22yo with 60 games to take that next step.
I guess we all differ with our opinions/observations.
That is a GOOD THING!
Whether it's for or against or indifferent.
Cheers Bud.

 

[Vdubs]

I don't disagree with any of that but right now there's something wrong with the balance of the forward line and something needs to change. Jez to the wing is just nullifying one of our great advantages so that's not the answer.

sure- the issue is Hawkins- not as productive as any other year, and we are giving Neal opportunities

Chris Scott and the MC are right not to put much store in ruck division. We won 07, 09, 11 despite Ottens, not because of him. Furthermore, we should put a height limit on our future recruits. Say, no one over 6 foot two. Trade Conway out. Bring another mid. Put Atkins in the ruck. His second, third, fourth, fifth, efforts will be amazing! It’s not like our mids expect the ball to be tapped to them from a ball up, anyway. Not since we had Ott…. Ooops! The effort after the tap is what it’s all about.

Had we kept Blakey- we'd have won 5 flags before 22

 

[CatToTheFuture]

sure- the issue is Hawkins- not as productive as any other year, and we are giving Neal opportunities

Had we kept Blakey- we'd have won 5 flags before 22

Yeah I'm fine with giving Neale opportunities I just don't know that sharing space with Hawkins is necessarily going to give him that

 

[calder_daddy]

We will regret not taking Nate Caddy

Bump

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Bump

Bit early

 

[calder_daddy]

Bit early

I’m here to back up my claim
That’s the point

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I’m here to back up my claim
That’s the point

Yeah some of my claims are pretty grim here.

Match committee not helping my Mannagh claim

 

[calder_daddy]

Yeah some of my claims are pretty grim here.

Match committee not helping my Mannagh claim

Nor is the pies injury list
Since they got them, Schultz has got a kick

I’m looking ok, could be 2/2
Close is struggling

 

[Lana]

Olive Henry is overrated he get too much credit for being a finisher, he doesn't create much.

We should have cut heavily during last years offseason, the danger of treading water is under appreciated. Our List management team is incapable of making harsh decision against our vets in the same way it did from 2013-2016. This will hurt us for the coming decade.

Tom Atkins is close to the lowest performing permanent inside midfielder in the competition in his age and experience bracket

Mid season update

Injury and bye ignored as it sounds better, Henry hasn't kicked a goal in a month

We're a team of zombies, those in nursing home died last year and are wandering the MCG in search of brains. It is not all on the list management group the MC has to own this.

Tom Atkins is a pressure act specialist in a midfield crying out for someone to take charge and just win the bloodly ball, he was temporarily forced out of the middle for Parfitt which says a lot.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Mid season update

Injury and bye ignored as it sounds better, Henry hasn't kicked a goal in a month

We're a team of zombies, those in nursing home died last year and a wandering the MCG in search of brains. It is not all on the list management group the MC has to own this.

Tom Atkins is a pressure act specialist in a midfield crying out for someone to take charge and just win the bloodly ball, he was temporarily forced out of the middle for Parfitt which says a lot.

Ooof