lol... It's not about whether I agree, it's about you posting the same things over and over ad infinitum and boring the bejesus out of everyone. If it's about whether I am allowed to disagree then pardon me for having an opinion.
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The Tarrant Collingwood saga
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That first lot of people would be known as "Sheep"
The 2nd lot would be those who push the boundaries and make things happen in their lives .
You would be the Sheep.
rofl. Exploiting the rules as they are framed is not about ethics. What's ethical about telling a player he has to move interstate whether he likes it or not? The simple fact is that in order to survive, businesses need to utilise the system to the best of their ability within the framework they are given. Utilising a provision (or lack of a provision) to obtain the desired outcome does not equate to cheating. Just good management.
There are winners and losers. No prizes for your categorisation.
ross lyon utterly botched trade week last year, possibly costing the saints a premiership. so a whole lot of saints supporters, who would probably be better off asking some hard questions about their coach, instead pile into a thread which is about collingwood supposedly cheating to get tarrant. a view which would have to be redundant given that the pies increased their offer and got the trade done anyway.
wtf ?
wtf ?
The Pies have done nothing wrong here and neither has Tarrant.
Whether Freo are upset at how this was done or anyone else is that is just bad luck, the AFL create zero loyalty in their drafting policy.
The fact that the draft does not allow young players to be given an opportunity to explore or play for the side they have followed and or barracked for their whole life immediately throws loyalty out the window from that day.
I have n o idea who Tarrant supported as a young kid but through zero choice of his own he was drafted to Collingwood. He had zero say in the matter.
He then went to Freo when things were not going so well and again probably did not have a lot of say in the matter.
Now at the other end of his career he does have a say and I like that he said what he wanted and that the system can get ****ed. It's his choice now who he wants to play for and he does not owe anyone anything.
It's about time more players did the same and said this is what I am doing or I am walking.
In my view if you have grown up supporting a club you should be given the opportunity to talk to that club first if they are interested in you. If they are it should be your own choice to go there.
Because the AFL does not allow for loyalty then as far as I am concerned no player unless htey somehow ended up at the club they followed as a child should have to be loyal or give a dam about anything other than himself and what he wants.
Whether Freo are upset at how this was done or anyone else is that is just bad luck, the AFL create zero loyalty in their drafting policy.
The fact that the draft does not allow young players to be given an opportunity to explore or play for the side they have followed and or barracked for their whole life immediately throws loyalty out the window from that day.
I have n o idea who Tarrant supported as a young kid but through zero choice of his own he was drafted to Collingwood. He had zero say in the matter.
He then went to Freo when things were not going so well and again probably did not have a lot of say in the matter.
Now at the other end of his career he does have a say and I like that he said what he wanted and that the system can get ****ed. It's his choice now who he wants to play for and he does not owe anyone anything.
It's about time more players did the same and said this is what I am doing or I am walking.
In my view if you have grown up supporting a club you should be given the opportunity to talk to that club first if they are interested in you. If they are it should be your own choice to go there.
Because the AFL does not allow for loyalty then as far as I am concerned no player unless htey somehow ended up at the club they followed as a child should have to be loyal or give a dam about anything other than himself and what he wants.
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Dont know if thats correct, got Lovett who in the end probably would have been the differance.
And these two groups are known as winners and losers. Guess who the winner is in this little game? One, we got the player, two we got the flag.
For years other clubs exploited rules to win flags, its about time the Pies used their resources to get what they wanted and use the system to our advantage. Demitiou said at the time re Ball that he had no problem with it.
Tarrant was unique as he qualified for Vet status in 2012 letting us use the PSD to our advantage. Freo knew this so they traded with us v getting nothing.
Pies have done nothing but look after their own interests. AFL does not like it, let them change the rules.
Good theory, I'd love to know how, unless he was supposed to have remarkable forsight and realise that Goldsack would be a better option than Davis when we played a grand final against Collingwood, and took a player we didn't need just to rob Collingwood.
Or maybe we could have used the first round ( Lovett trade ) pick to draft Jake Carlisle or similar. And Jake would have amazingly got a game in the team and had 30 posessions in the grand final.
Yes I understand your mentality.
There are players and there are marks.
If they formulate a law to stop you from stealing from old ladies, and you find a way around it, its OK to steal from old ladies.
And that makes people who think otherwise sheep.
Three delistings already of last years recycled draftees says it is already good theory, as are the premiership medals around the necks of Ball Goldsack and Wellingham.
And lets not mention the form on GF Day of Peake...
rofl. Hardly a like for like comparison but go ahead, be dramatic. Just remember that it was you who equated St Kilda and Freemantle to old ladies.Yes I understand your mentality.
There are players and there are marks.
If they formulate a law to stop you from stealing from old ladies, and you find a way around it, its OK to steal from old ladies.
And that makes people who think otherwise sheep.
The "theory" was that Lyon had cost StKilda the premiership due to poor trading last year.
So you claim that if StKilda had NOT traded Lovett for a first round pick, HAD traded Luke Ball for Goldsack , and had not traded pick 48 for Peake, then we would have won the Premiership?
Most people would find this to be a bit of a stretch.
No. If (and it is an if) Collingwood are the ones advising Tarrant to state he will retire unless he gets to Pies, then the AFL will simply change the rules. They want the thing to work in a fair spirit as well.
goalpie
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cant blame him for wanting to come home. collingwood is his home. I hope he plays forward.
Its a very strong theory. You dont have to agree. Maybe they wouldnt have won the flag if they'd recruited better either, but their bottom six on GF were terrible and lack of viable depth options killed them.
StKilda recruited for pace and a backup ruckman and they are two things, amongst other things, that StKilda desperately missed two weeks ago, not to mention giving their former captain away for free.
Tarrant was on the radio this morning and was asked about "will retire if he doesn't go to Collingwood". ( At the end of a humourous bit about what if Athletes spoke the truth " yes I took performance enhancing drugs because I was a slow spud without them " " I was great during that game and the team would have been stuffed without me")
Tarrant said that after he found that Collingwood were interested he really didn't want to go elsewhere, and he spoke to his agent to make it happen.
It was his agent who suggested how he could proceed.
Yes and I made that distinction initially. If Pies have nothing to do with the threat then I think alls fair from their point of view.
so goldsack wouldn't have got a game in st kilda's 22 in the replay? or the draw for that matter? please
this is getting tedious but do you remember how many clubs the saints were competing against to win lovett ? i think the answer is zero. lovett didn't unfortunately get hit by a truck or struck by lightning. his career ended because of a continuation of the behavioural problems that saw essendon dumping him and nobody else wanting him. (some saints fans here have talked about myths - well it's becoming a myth that lyon was unlucky over the lovett deal because he didn't end up playing. bullshit, it wasn't unlucky, it was a bad trade and a waste of a good draft pick). it's not hard to see that the saints could have grabbed some good players with the rd 1 pick they squandered on lovett and the pick they rejected for ball. Most people would find the idea that goldsack wouldn't have been a better grand final player than your weakest three or four to be a stretch. i said that lyon utterly botched the trade week last year and most non-st kilda supporters seem to agree. i didn't say that lats year's draft mess definitely cost you a flag i said "possibly" and i stand by that. anyway, it seems that none of you want to hear a bad word about ross. if the coach of my club blew it that badly i'd be spewing.
My theory is more along the lines of , they might have won the flag if a certain guy didn't have his brains in his scrotum. Hardly a trade failure.
And while there were better rucks than Pattison in trade/draft, I'm not sure that StKilda had the means to get them.
Jolly ( I think ) is on more money than we could have got under our cap, and we didn't have the draft picks if we were competing with Collingwood. Seaby - so complicated I cant see how we could have got in on it. Mumford - money again.
Pattison was tried out pretty thoroughly during the year and was found to be ineffective wherever he played.
StKilda were also critisized for trading out X Clarke and Goose Maguire to Crazy Vossy's travelling sideshow. Clark was predicatably injured. Maguire had a good season for them, which is great for him because he would have played a similar role to Blake if he'd been on our list and probably not got a game ahead of rebounding or fast tagging players.
He did manage to get through quite a few years of Footy without comitting a jailable ( that we know of ) offense. I don't think you would have seen a better finals outcome if we had our first round pick instead.
Goldsack is generally considered to be a defender, and while he's to be congratulated on a breakout year, ( possibly due to effort on his behalf after being put up for trade) it was not an area StKilda were lacking in.
goalpie
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Agents arnt stupid. Got the best outcome for his client, thats his job.
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