Wasn't he being delisted if not traded, so that would make sense 
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we still have a week before the end of the trade period... maybe we can get something out of GWS for him and T-Bird... although Sheeds would probably do a Setanta on us and get them to nominate for the ND and take them in that.Wasn't he being delisted if not traded, so that would make sense
Yep, it will be a laugh in a few years time when Lynch, Swan and Jolly are all finished and Dawes and Wellingham are still going. They have lost a fair bit and tried to make up for what they have lost and their deficiancies for one last crack. I'm not convinced thir list is any better. In fact at this stage it might be a bit the opposite. Can see them being not quite good enough then coming well back to the field in a few years.
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top 6 material next year... then when Jolly retires dropping right down the list.
Isnt the rule that starting on Nov 1st all delisted players become free agents and can be signed by any club without having to go into the ND?
I am sure i read this recently and this is why some clubs wanted to wait so it wouldnt affect their compo picks.
Really dont want to see Russell in a Collingwood jumper, he will probably go onto become an AA selection knowing our luck. How are Collingwood fitting all of these players into the salary cap? they seem to have a never ending list and cap.
I am sure i read this recently and this is why some clubs wanted to wait so it wouldnt affect their compo picks.
Really dont want to see Russell in a Collingwood jumper, he will probably go onto become an AA selection knowing our luck. How are Collingwood fitting all of these players into the salary cap? they seem to have a never ending list and cap.
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Re Collingwood. It is pretty obvious that the Cloke deal was done early and under pressure from the Collingwood point of view.
Therefore the Cloke deal is backended bigtime in years 3 and four.
This gives them an opportunity for short term gain in the next two years when they think they have a crack.
The reality is that it really is only one year as they will not be able to aggesively trade at the end of 2013 for anything other than one year contracts.
The Cloke deal basically puts a straightjacket on the club where basically the Pies are putting all their money on black on the roulette table and hoping for the best.
It may pay off short term. That is what McGuire is hoping to fulfill his Nafan fantasies.
However they are sacrifcing the near future for the medium and long term future and you will find that the Cloke contract might be the perfect shadow of the Elliott regime of the Carlton Football Club.
Elliott gave Kouta a huge backended 5 year contract and it was one of the single greatest things that put this club back for years to come.
The same thing will happen with Collingwood.
For those of you who ask what about Judd?
Front loaded contract.
HUGE difference.
As a risk manager it is a big difference. You are offloading the majority of your financial risk early in the contract. When you have the majority of your risk in the back end of the contract then your are subjecting your club and your list to a lot more risk.
Five year front loaded contracts are much much better than five year backloaded contracts.
Therefore the Cloke deal is backended bigtime in years 3 and four.
This gives them an opportunity for short term gain in the next two years when they think they have a crack.
The reality is that it really is only one year as they will not be able to aggesively trade at the end of 2013 for anything other than one year contracts.
The Cloke deal basically puts a straightjacket on the club where basically the Pies are putting all their money on black on the roulette table and hoping for the best.
It may pay off short term. That is what McGuire is hoping to fulfill his Nafan fantasies.
However they are sacrifcing the near future for the medium and long term future and you will find that the Cloke contract might be the perfect shadow of the Elliott regime of the Carlton Football Club.
Elliott gave Kouta a huge backended 5 year contract and it was one of the single greatest things that put this club back for years to come.
The same thing will happen with Collingwood.
For those of you who ask what about Judd?
Front loaded contract.
HUGE difference.
As a risk manager it is a big difference. You are offloading the majority of your financial risk early in the contract. When you have the majority of your risk in the back end of the contract then your are subjecting your club and your list to a lot more risk.
Five year front loaded contracts are much much better than five year backloaded contracts.
Obviously, you know more about your situation in closer years, therefore you have more information to take this risk on.
Judd's deal has clearly paid off if it is severely front loaded
I hope Collingwood's back ended (if it is?) does not
Rubbish. I realise it's fashionable on our board to bucket the Filth, but they have acquitted themselves very well. Better than us.
It starts with the view that their window is open. That is demonstrably true. That's why they needed to keep Cloke. Look at the Saints who lost Goddard but have re-signed a bunch of early 30 year-olds (Milne, Hayes, Roo, Kosi) if you want to see a club that has sacrificed medium and long term for short term.
So they have replaced Dawes with a better, more flexible big-man, whose life span works given their window. They have young talls like Paine and Witts coming through beyond that.
They have replaced Wellingham with Young because they have enough enough mids but lack class of the backline.
They have picked up two late first round / early second round picks in a very good draft, perhaps the best ever. They'll make the most of this because of their smart recruitment of Rendell to work alongside Hine.
So they've used FA and trades to improve their list and pick up two excellent draft picks. That is good short term and long term planning.
Talk them down and you just look churlish.
Also the fact that they have loaded up on early picks also gives them the opportunity to trade some of the bigger contracts ala Dawes. They will keep doing this to keep the great young talent flowing through the list.
Hate to say it but no one has handled list management as well as the filth have this year. Sure the may have replaced Dawes and Wellingham with short term options, but their replacements will most likely come from the 3 first round picks they have acquired.
So in other words, despite their being no guarantees in the draft, Collingwood are going to nail all 3 of their picks in a draft, despite those picks all being after what is agreed to be when this year's draft becomes a lottery.
People are forgetting that Collingwood's list has weakened since their 2010 premiership. That is why the likes of Krakouer & Tarrant were best 22 in 2011/2012 & why Lynch, who would have struggled for a game at the Eagles in 2013, will be best 22. That is also why we went from being barely able to get near Collingwood in 2010 & 2011, to beating them both times in 2012, even when we were still badly impacted by injuries in Round 15.
What has happened at Collingwood is they have lost the majority of their coaching/development team that built them into a premiership team & their replacements don't have the same coaching/development nouse. They have replaced two 24 year old premiership players, who are entering the prime football years of their career, with a 30 year old & 27 year old, both of whom are hardly playing the best football of their careers (Young has failed to live up to his 2008 form) & should they somehow nail all three picks in this year's draft, they will be waiting 4-5 years to see any real benefit from the draftees.
It is very much a now or never approach from Collingwood, but the players they have brought in will not make them better than what they were in 2012 & certainly not take them back to where they were in 2010 (watch out for 2013 to be a repeat of 2012 with similar speculation about Daisy Thomas as we saw with Travis Cloke).
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Geelong. McIntosh for 36, Rivers for free and Caddy for a compensation pick that could be as low as pick 12 to 14. Cats still have pick 15. Unlike Collingwood, they've still managed to turn over the list and bring in a lot of young talent whilst they were at the top. Pies overpaid for Krakouer and Ceglar with Darling available after pick 25.
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I have a sneaky suspicion the money we threw @ Cloke (800+) has been saved this trade period to reunite DT and Micky next year when DT is a FREE AGENT!
Carlton recognised only Cloke was going to improve our list out of all the players available this year - and once he re-signed with the filth, the money was put into the 'GET DAISY' fund! By end of next season the fringe players will be out of contract (and if they prove themselves next year) they can be re-signed or moved on to clear space. Looking at players coming out of contract next year, the only one eligible for FA is Carrots - and he bleeds Navy blue so I can't see him moving on (especially with his age).
Can't wait for the speculation next year surrounding Mick's favourite pre-game kicking partner - if Daisy struggled this year, I think next year might be even tougher for him.
They got a good deal on Clarke and Yagamoor last year though because Yagamoor has elite skills and will be able to slot in and replace Leon from day one (maybe only day one though)
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Yagmoor and Clarke don't look like anything special.
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It's shocking the amount of closet Filth we have.
I should have used the sarcasm icon. If you ask the Pies supporters last year it was the short term answer to their problems and clever drafting (Hine can pick guys who they would have taken as top ten in the 3rd round). This year it is bringing in Lynch and Young. How many of the 4 will be on their list in 2 years?
I think we all know the answer to this, but in the eyes of some, recruiting any FA or doing any trade is better than not at all.
Guys, there are Yarren rumours on our board (mind you we are in Tippett induced mass hysteria). Any idea how that started or if it has any legs at all?
Putting it simply: It's just that time of the year.
If you had have said Garlett, it may have held somewhat more cred.
Time will be the judge on the Pies. Lost- 2 x best 22 players, Gained- 2 x lesser players and late teen picks. I'm not sure why this is considered a 'great' result.
Results don't matter as the point is that they've met all their objectives. They've been excellent.
If Hine has a complete brain fade on draft day and selects three duds, that then makes for a different story.
Their work has been very good to get them exactly where they may have dreamed to be. Can't take that away from them.
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I think it started cause a week or so ago on your board someone said Yarran was on trade table.
A fews hours later, this same person said he mentioned Yarran for fun - as it was fantasy trade or something like that.
If the Yarran rumours are still due to this one person, then they have no cred at all.
But, things might have changed since then - but I highly doubt it. Yarran just signed a 2 yr deal (when we were at lowest point this year too) and it's not like going to Adelaide would be a 'go home' move - he is a WA boy.
Can't see us even entertaining the thought of trading one of our most exciting/creative/skill-ful players.
What they dream, and where they end up, mightn't be the same thing. Whilst amongst a minority- I thought Dawes was very important to their structure. Wellingham is a better footballer than Young imo. Picks at that range could end up Nat Fyfe or Tony Notte. I'll let the Pies supporters pat themselves on the back, and wait and see.
It will be like shooting fish in a barrel having three picks back to back. There will be some good footballers around that mark.
Collingwood have 18, 19 & 21
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2007 would have got you Rance, Ward & Maric
2008 would give you Shuey, Strauss and Ballantyne
May be the odd miss there, but it's not too bad is it?
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