The war against renewable energy

[barreness]

So from 175 to 500 watt density in 5 years and that’s it.

You get there's physics and chemistry to this right? Not a magic pudding

As all things in life, slow growth then exponential for a bit then it follows the logistic curve

 

[nut]

The wholesale feed in tariff in nsw is predicted to go negative in the next 2 hours (not uncommon).
At the moment I cannot curtail my exports to the grid.
My solar system has charged my battery already to 50% after it depleted heating my house last night.
Using Amber Smartshift I stopped charging and im
Now exporting at 2 cents…
At 11:30am I’ll switch to charging battery.
I’ll put heating on high, run the washing machine and clothes dryer and consume as much energy as I can… seems a waste.
This waste is what pumped hydro will absorb…

 

[HairyO]

No net increase in energy??? Id love you to explain that.

They are going to use stored energy to move water back up the hill at non-peak power times.

Its literally insane.

 

[nut]

They are going to use stored energy to move water back up the hill at non-peak power times.

Its literally insane.

What? You might want to do some research

 

[peetoo]

What? You might want to do some research

It’s a well tried process overseas. Can whack power into the system faster than any other generation. Maybe not gas turbines but it is cheaper and cleaner

 

[nut]

People in SE QLD are predicted to get paid to use power through Amber electrics wholesale power prices today.
This is because of excess renewables and the inability to store this power.

 

[peetoo]

Amber electric getting smashed in their Facebook posts

 

[Cap]

People in SE QLD are predicted to get paid to use power through Amber electrics wholesale power prices today.
This is because of excess renewables and the inability to store this power.

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I assume Duttons Nuclear power plants will be able to replicate this

 

[Cap]

Amber electric getting smashed in their Facebook posts

Why?

 

[nut]

Amber electric getting smashed in their Facebook posts

From idiots who don’t understand that they signed up to a variable rate .

 

[peetoo]

https://fb.watch/s9dlHzIVi-/?

 

[nut]

https://fb.watch/s9dlHzIVi-/?

How are they getting smashed?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

From idiots who don’t understand that they signed up to a variable rate .

While you seem to believe that everyone can get their electricity for free, Amber very obviously have a business model, and won't exist if that actually happens.

 

[nut]

While you seem to believe that everyone can get their electricity for free, Amber very obviously have a business model, and won't exist if that actually happens.

Another person who doesn’t know how Amber works.

 

[nut]

I pay $19 dollars a month to Amber electric. That’s their business plan.

For that $19 it gives people access to the WHOLESALE energy prices… which is basically the spot price + extra for the powerlines and delivery etc..

It also gives me access to Smartshift, a program that automates my battery.
It can buy and sell on my behalf.
I can operate it manually.
It enables me to choose how I use my battery… it has some issues but overall it’s awesome.

All for $19 a month.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So from 175 to 500 watt density in 5 years and that’s it.

it'll be exponential.
Lithium Ion was first capitalised in 1991.
The use in cars was really the trigger for pushing for light weight.
No-one really cared until then.

Its still not an issue for power grid storage.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The wholesale feed in tariff in nsw is predicted to go negative in the next 2 hours (not uncommon).
At the moment I cannot curtail my exports to the grid.
My solar system has charged my battery already to 50% after it depleted heating my house last night.
Using Amber Smartshift I stopped charging and im
Now exporting at 2 cents…
At 11:30am I’ll switch to charging battery.
I’ll put heating on high, run the washing machine and clothes dryer and consume as much energy as I can… seems a waste.
This waste is what pumped hydro will absorb…

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At some point i think that appliances will be able to "know" and do all that stuff you're doing without human intervention.
Load your washer, press auto, same with the dishwasher, your fridge is due to defrost, it waits until the next cheap electricity trigger.
Anyone here old enough to remember "electric heat banks"? I remember my Grandmother had one.
I think it was basically a well insulated box of bricks. Thermal storage . The kind of weather Victoria has at the moment, you could heat it up internally during the day, then turn the fan on when it got cold at night.

Off peak electricity is still officially in the wee hours of the morning, at some point they will have to change that.
Its not fair if the MCG lighting is charged at the same rate as those who operate on a single shift from 7am to 6pm.

One is using storage , the other is not.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I pay $19 dollars a month to Amber electric. That’s their business plan.

For that $19 it gives people access to the WHOLESALE energy prices… which is basically the spot price + extra for the powerlines and delivery etc..

It also gives me access to Smartshift, a program that automates my battery.
It can buy and sell on my behalf.
I can operate it manually.
It enables me to choose how I use my battery… it has some issues but overall it’s awesome.

All for $19 a month.

I know from a commercial contract ( Victoria ) :
There are environmental charges, in cents/kwh.
There are network charges, around 4 c/kwh.
There are demand charges ( how much loading on the lines , not so relevant for households , will be massive if you want to charge electric cars/trucks at a servo ).

Normally your household energy provider absorbs these ( and still profits ).

I'm not a big fan of a middle man buying electricity wholesale then on-selling it at a mark up.
Such energy experts as Dodo, and Ovo, show that it's just a marketing junket.

 

[nut]

Price

it'll be exponential.
Lithium Ion was first capitalised in 1991.
The use in cars was really the trigger for pushing for light weight.
No-one really cared until then.

Its still not an issue for power grid storage.

Lithium ion is not really being used now.. Lithium phosphate batteries are a lot safer.

 

[nut]

While you seem to believe that everyone can get their electricity for free, Amber very obviously have a business model, and won't exist if that actually happens.

Business model looking great at the moment … I’m exporting my battery.

 

[nut]

I know from a commercial contract ( Victoria ) :
There are environmental charges, in cents/kwh.
There are network charges, around 4 c/kwh.
There are demand charges ( how much loading on the lines , not so relevant for households , will be massive if you want to charge electric cars/trucks at a servo ).

Normally your household energy provider absorbs these ( and still profits ).

I'm not a big fan of a middle man buying electricity wholesale then on-selling it at a mark up.
Such energy experts as Dodo, and Ovo, show that it's just a marketing junket.

most those chargers are in the wholesale rate. Vic might have extra chargers.
Retailers hedge their cost and then pass on a fix price to consumers.
I can get a fixed price of 40c and a feedin of 15c with Engie and a day rate of $1.77 where I live.

But my battery is covering all my usage at the moment, so my usage costs are irrelevant .
Amber is $1.40 day rate and variable price. Plus $19 a month so about $2 a day total.
With Amber the daytime feed in is very low because of renewables and so are usage chargers…
I have a full battery at sunset and it sells excess storage to grid during peak times.
In the last 2 weeks there has been 2 spike periods which is when Amber makes it worth it…
I’m currently in credit $280 - $28in day charges. So $252 in 14 days.
If you can absorb the spike periods or reduce your usage to a minimum then Amber is very cheap to a consumer even without solar or battery. But you have to continually monitor the prices and shift your loads accordingly. You also have the price guarantee to protect you from the massive costs.

 

[peetoo]

It can be hard to get your head around the scales.
Around 5 Acres of land is needed for a 1 MW solar farm. It only produces 1MW under maximum solar conditions.

A Tesla Semi "fast charger" will need 1MW for up to an hour.
So 5 Acres of solar panels could charge an average ( more in summer , less in winter ) of 4 trucks a day.

Tesla Semi versus other electric trucks - PTOLEMUS

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By comparison , this is what 1MW of gas generation looks like.

1MW Compact Generator

World's first 1MW Compact Generator that can be transported by air freight or helicopter, or installed for use in a 20' ISO container. Pompano Beach, FL

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How big in area is the nations transport alignments?

 

[Captivating]

With lithium batteries prone to fire, how long until household batteries are banned

 

[nut]

With lithium batteries prone to fire, how long until household batteries are banned

have you heard of lithium phosphate? Thought not.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

have you heard of lithium phosphate? Thought not.

There are a lot of options for home batteries.
Particularly the requirements for low weight and small volume are nowhere near as important.
Even the old lead acid batteries could compete.

The Tesla's are not the best option.