The war against renewable energy

[nut]

Awesome …. Just need more storage and EVs connected to the grid and the figures will get better and better.

Solar pushes renewables to record share of grid, coal hits new low despite highest spring demand | RenewEconomy

Renewables hit new record high of 75.9 per cent, sending coal to a record low despite usually strong spring electricity demand.

reneweconomy.com.au

 

[peetoo]

If you have a Mazda 2 with the skyactive engine, 100km will cost you around ten bucks.
If you have a Tesla 3 with 25c/kwh, 100km will cost you around 4 bucks.
If you `have an MG3 with 25c/kwh, 100km will cost you around 5 bucks.

Cost of Mazda 2. $23 000
Cost of Tesla 3. $55 000.
Payback after 500 000km

Cost of Mazda 2. $23000
Cost of MG4 $33000
Payback after 200 000km.

( your MG4 at 200 000 will be far more junk than your Mazda ).

I’m 6k after 6 years. Petrol civic. Keep it another 14 years and it’s been kinder to the environment.

Payback from ev is still a narrow set of circumstances. Put the price difference into rooftop solar and a battery.

At todays tech. It may well make sense when I eventually replace my civic. But I’m not feeling guilty at all that my ice car sitting in a driveway most of the time is not hurting the environment more than an ev

 

[nut]

The figures are undisputed… for the same cost car an EV has way lower running costs over 10 years than an ICE…

Payback from ev is still a narrow set of circumstances. Put the price difference into rooftop solar and a battery.

I’m still confused how a car can pay you back if it has only outgoings and expenses.
What price difference are you talking about?

it’ll make much more sense in the near future to put the home battery costs into a mobile battery(EV).

Home at 4:30… charge … then use car battery during expensive peak periods.

 

[nut]

He isn’t the only one

 

[Power Raid]

EVs will transform the grid

EV "batteries on wheels" could save hundreds of billions in grid costs by 2040, report finds

New study finds that using the batteries in electric vehicles (EVs) to store energy and feed back into the grid could save hundreds of billions of dollars.

thedriven.io

yes yes

using a car, with already 50% less user life to traditional vehicles, as a battery makes absolute sense to amortise the entire vehicle over an even shorter useful life sounds logical.

I would have thought using a battery as a battery would make more sense. further using a battery in utility scale with proper control systems and maintenance would make even more sense (from a technical and social perspective). Can you kindly confirm your logic of using a car for this?

 

[nut]

yes yes

using a car, with already 50% less user life to traditional vehicles, as a battery makes absolute sense to amortise the entire vehicle over an even shorter useful life sounds logical.

I would have thought using a battery as a battery would make more sense. further using a battery in utility scale with proper control systems and maintenance would make even more sense (from a technical and social perspective). Can you kindly confirm your logic of using a car for this?

Stopped reading at 50% user life…. You are so uninformed.
Replacing a battery after 500,000km… woopy dooo… how much engine servicing and gearbox maintenance costs are we up for after 500,000km… how many cars on the road have 500,000 km on the clock.
Educate your self.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yes it is … using Vehicle to load.

HOEM Device Converts V2L Cars To V2H - For Under $1,000

HOEM unlocks the power of Vehicle-to-Home, allowing you to use your EV to fuel essential home loads daily or during a crisis.

www.solarquotes.com.au

Id need my vehicle charged to drive it

 

[peetoo]

A lot of this stuff is bleeding edge hobbyist stuff. People will wait till it’s mainstream.

But gratitude to you guys spending dollars working out all the pitfalls.

Also the space is rife with shonky operators, the same websites note this on a daily basis

 

[nut]

Id need my vehicle charged to drive it

Just set it so it doesn’t go below the % you need for you next trip… sell high by low. It’s not rocket science

 

[swingdog]

Just set it so it doesn’t go below the % you need for you next trip… sell high by low. It’s not rocket science

Just curious, nut, do you have an electric bike?

That’s where there is a real revolution in transport happening. Half of all new bike sales are electric and the numbers way outstrip cars, even in mature EV markets.

 

[pazza]

Must admit...the power bill here at home, with a major contribution of rooftop solar, is in credit to the provider by about $50!

A lot of communities in regional Australia are developing micro grids - whereby rooftop solar on homes, combined with a small array - are being established as part of a strategy to make the provision of power easier when it is necessary.

 

[nut]

Just curious, nut, do you have an electric bike?

That’s where there is a real revolution in transport happening. Half of all new bike sales are electric and the numbers way outstrip cars, even in mature EV markets.

Yer I reckon it would be great to do a road trip on an electric bike…
Travel light and stay in motels etc. could easily cover 150-200km a day.

 

[nut]

 

[nut]

So by the end of the year Bi-Directional charging will be available.

Anybody with with an EV who have the ability to charge at home and can discharge will now have a home battery.

Absolute game changer for EVs

Currently Australia has around 200,000 EVs … that’s enough to power about a million homes during peak periods.

Exciting times.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So by the end of the year Bi-Directional charging will be available.

Anybody with with an EV who have the ability to charge at home and can discharge will now have a home battery.

Absolute game changer for EVs

Currently Australia has around 200,000 EVs … that’s enough to power about a million homes during peak periods.

Exciting times.

You don't make a lot of sense to me, you say you can buy your EV charging power at a really low rate and discharge it into the grid.
Some lunatic is actually going to sell you electricity at 8c and buy it back for triple at the same time ?

 

[nut]

You don't make a lot of sense to me, you say you can buy your EV charging power at a really low rate and discharge it into the grid.
Some lunatic is actually going to sell you electricity at 8c and buy it back for triple at the same time ?

So you can buy at 8 cents and use that power when the price is higher… like 30-40 cents at peak with a normal retailer.

With Amber you have abitilty to sell during peak periods… (average peak feed in is around 30c during peak periods and can be as high as $15…) … average day rates atm is around 14c where I am.
But at 14c and sell at 30c …

In my position, and people with solar, when I get an EV… I’ll be able to absorb more solar and sell more power.

simple sums. If I sell an average of 30kw a night at 30c … that’s $3200 a year. Now that’s a very conservative figure.. it could easily be double IMO.

 

[Cap]

Offshore wind project wins court appeal over rejected licence in Gippsland | RenewEconomy

One of Australia's first offshore wind projects has been given a lifeline after a court ordered a review of its rejected bid for a key licence.

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Anyone see this? I first saw it as an article about Bowen being red faced, it was the Australian.

But it seems like good news, but bad news?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yer I reckon it would be great to do a road trip on an electric bike…
Travel light and stay in motels etc. could easily cover 150-200km a day.

I love that idea, i've often thought it would be great to travel some place like Italy that way.

I managed to lose my license for 3 months in the middle of winter some years ago.
Got an E-Bike. By using trails and such i could avoid a lot of congestion, so it only took me 10-20 minutes longer than my normal 30-40minute car Journey. ( the car trip around 25km, bike 19km). Public transport was around 2 hours.
Biggest issue it was just a bit far for my soft butt to handle on a daily basis, even when i bought an ultra cushy seat.

Mine had a rated range of 50km, and i was worried that it wouldn't go close, but i normally got to work with around 90% battery remaining, and home with more than half. ( a bit more uphill on the way home ).
You can easily conserve battery , and physical energy by turning the battery down for downhill and flat , and turn it up for uphill.

My sore butt would be what put me off trying 150km per day.
Back in the day i did the half way round the bay ride ( Sorrento to Melbourne CBD ) on a conventional bike, and i was crippled for a couple of weeks.

 

[nut]

I love that idea, i've often thought it would be great to travel some place like Italy that way.

I managed to lose my license for 3 months in the middle of winter some years ago.
Got an E-Bike. By using trails and such i could avoid a lot of congestion, so it only took me 10-20 minutes longer than my normal 30-40minute car Journey. ( the car trip around 25km, bike 19km). Public transport was around 2 hours.
Biggest issue it was just a bit far for my soft butt to handle on a daily basis, even when i bought an ultra cushy seat.

Mine had a rated range of 50km, and i was worried that it wouldn't go close, but i normally got to work with around 90% battery remaining, and home with more than half. ( a bit more uphill on the way home ).
You can easily conserve battery , and physical energy by turning the battery down for downhill and flat , and turn it up for uphill.

My sore butt would be what put me off trying 150km per day.
Back in the day i did the half way round the bay ride ( Sorrento to Melbourne CBD ) on a conventional bike, and i was crippled for a couple of weeks.

Make one of these …….. more comfortable

 

[peetoo]

Australian Government to announce electric Vehicle-to-Grid household standards today

New Australian Standards will allow families to power their homes using energy from their electric cars – or sell it to the grid.

www.drive.com.au

 

[Power Raid]

Is this the same Turkey who in his YouTube video claimed 20GW of batteries was the same as 20 nuclear reactors?

Only to see California could even support a few hours of demand?

 

[swingdog]

I love that idea, i've often thought it would be great to travel some place like Italy that way.

I managed to lose my license for 3 months in the middle of winter some years ago.
Got an E-Bike. By using trails and such i could avoid a lot of congestion, so it only took me 10-20 minutes longer than my normal 30-40minute car Journey. ( the car trip around 25km, bike 19km). Public transport was around 2 hours.
Biggest issue it was just a bit far for my soft butt to handle on a daily basis, even when i bought an ultra cushy seat.

Mine had a rated range of 50km, and i was worried that it wouldn't go close, but i normally got to work with around 90% battery remaining, and home with more than half. ( a bit more uphill on the way home ).
You can easily conserve battery , and physical energy by turning the battery down for downhill and flat , and turn it up for uphill.

My sore butt would be what put me off trying 150km per day.
Back in the day i did the half way round the bay ride ( Sorrento to Melbourne CBD ) on a conventional bike, and i was crippled for a couple of weeks.

The biggest growth in the cycling market through e-bikes appears to be (from my anecdotal observations):

• older people with dodgy knees able to get around again
• families with the extended bikes for kids going to school
• commuters not having to worry about getting changed at work and beating the traffic

 

[Power Raid]

Stopped reading at 50% user life…. You are so uninformed.
Replacing a battery after 500,000km… woopy dooo… how much engine servicing and gearbox maintenance costs are we up for after 500,000km… how many cars on the road have 500,000 km on the clock.
Educate your self.

So an industrial battery application is $0.24 a kWh and up to $0.40 kWh ( before the cost of energy)

But your suggestion is depreciate an entire cars battery and control system and justify it by buy low and sell high?


Perhaps with a NIO click in click out but even then how would a car compete with commercial scale?

It isn’t logical

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So you can buy at 8 cents and use that power when the price is higher… like 30-40 cents at peak with a normal retailer.

With Amber you have abitilty to sell during peak periods… (average peak feed in is around 30c during peak periods and can be as high as $15…) … average day rates atm is around 14c where I am.
But at 14c and sell at 30c …

In my position, and people with solar, when I get an EV… I’ll be able to absorb more solar and sell more power.

simple sums. If I sell an average of 30kw a night at 30c … that’s $3200 a year. Now that’s a very conservative figure.. it could easily be double IMO.

But you said before that you could get 8c at night, which is typically peak time for renewables.

I could see it working for people who can charge during peak solar times, but many people will be at work on those days, and i can't see employers putting thousands of chargers in, and i can't see city car parks investing in chargers unless they will make money out of it.

You seem to think that Fred can go to work, charge his car up to max capacity, go home, discharge it down to 50km range or something.
That's not going to work for most of the population.

 

[swingdog]

But you said before that you could get 8c at night, which is typically peak time for renewables.

I could see it working for people who can charge during peak solar times, but many people will be at work on those days, and i can't see employers putting thousands of chargers in, and i can't see city car parks investing in chargers unless they will make money out of it.

You seem to think that Fred can go to work, charge his car up to max capacity, go home, discharge it down to 50km range or something.
That's not going to work for most of the population.

Don't forget that a lot of people are working from home 2-3 days a week now. That's shifting the energy profile.