Traded Tim Kelly [traded with #57 and future 3rd to West Coast for #14, #24, #33 and future 1st]

[teddies]

He walks for nothing if Geelong doesn't come to the trade party

or he relents and agrees to be traded to Fremantle because West Coast aren't prepared to do what it takes to honor their commitment to him.

 

[DanWA]

Der, it's just that this is extremely unlikely.

I agree but it becomes more likely the longer Geelong goes down this over expectation path

Help him home like Ablett & Dangerfield were helped home

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

Bypassing Geelong completely seems to be the way forward now

No need, it will get done. Geelong are making noise to appease their supporters. End of the day they will be far worse off for not dealing v doing a deal. Imagine losing him for nothing. This is the usual chest beating BS that is involved in every big trade. He is out of contract so that reduces the price Geelong can ask for.

Both clubs are professional and a fair deal will be done. WC supporters will feel they gave up too much, Cats fans that they did not get enough.

I should add, the Daniher trade is a lot different and I would not be surprised if it does not happen. Daniher is a rare talent, get his body right and the rest will follow. Essendon will want a lot and be happy to not deal on the basis they can turn him around next year.

 

[DanWA]

or he relents and agrees to be traded to Fremantle because West Coast aren't prepared to do what it takes to honor their commitment to him.

I think there is more chances of the draft but Geelong & the Victorian media have been strong arming this path

 

[Scotland]

Seriously, this has almost never happened in the history of draft and trade. Nick Stevens, Luke Ball, that's basically it. "He'll walk for nothing" is like Pickup Artistry: seems to work a lot more on the internet than in reality.

How many times in recent years has a player from club A requested a trade to club B and club A spent their time talking to club C?

 

[DanWA]

14+33+2020 first.

Very close to Geelong's request of 3 top 30 picks, without WC selling the farm.

While i think this is likely what Geelong accepts, that is still borderline selling the farm for an out of contract who named his destination

 

[evo]

While these picks will likely be turned into other ones, what do eagles/geelong/neutral posters think is a fair amount for West Coast to give up?

a) 14 + 24 = 1,946

b) 14 + R1 2019 = 2,322

c) 14 + 24 + 33 = 2,509

d) 14 + R1 2019 + 33 = 2,885

e) 14 + R1 2019 + 24 = 3,107


I’ve done points just as a rough guide (everyone knows the AFL’s DVI is a joke that massively over-values later picks), based on our future first being pick 14.

my prediction:
West Coast offers a)
Wells asks for e)
they end up settling on b)

 

[Peel67skin]

How many times in recent years has a player from club A requested a trade to club B and club A spent their time talking to club C?

Nil. I think both club will get the deal done, just not what Eagles and Geelong fan here expected.

 

[DanWA]

my prediction:
West Coast offers a)
Wells asks for e)
they end up settling on b)

This sits fine with me

 

[garlic munchers]

Having completely exhausted all possible rational trade scenarios and most of the irrational ones as well, for the sanity of all and the mental health of some clearly irate posters, perhaps we suspend this thread until we have concrete news or at least the Brad Hill trade is resolved?

Cats & WC supporters will still be relatively free to trade barbs on their own club boards!

 

[Furn2]

While these picks will likely be turned into other ones, what do eagles/geelong/neutral posters think is a fair amount for West Coast to give up?

a) 14 + 24 = 1,946

b) 14 + R1 2019 = 2,322

c) 14 + 24 + 33 = 2,509

d) 14 + R1 2019 + 33 = 2,885

e) 14 + R1 2019 + 24 = 3,107


I’ve done points just as a rough guide (everyone knows the AFL’s DVI is a joke that massively over-values later picks), based on our future first being pick 14.

B or C will do it.

 

[Scotland]

Nil. I think both club will get the deal done, just not what Eagles and Geelong fan here expected.

Can't speak for anyone else but I would imagine the best way of negotiating a trade with WC would be to talk to WC.

 

[Suma Magic]

Point value only valuable to NGA and academy players. If 7 academy players in top 10 next year pick 14 could turn into second Rd pick.

If we have an off year it could be a top 10 pick.

And yes - I did put a disclaimer about points in my post.

 

[Scotland]

B or C will do it.

It should be B with a second coming back or C.

"Wellsy" thinks two firsts isn't enough.

 

[teddies]

I think there is more chances of the draft but Geelong & the Victorian media have been strong arming this path

yea, I dunno. It's sure going to be intriguing to watch unfold.

When the crunch comes, I dare say Geelong will accept West Coast's best offer. They'll still receive a decent return on their original investment, just probably not as much as they should.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Just listened to the interview with Kelly at the airport.
I gotta say it's pretty disgusting from the media to keep pushing Fremantle

Why the agenda?
Why does the media push Fremantle and GFC push Fremantle
No other player that I can remember has had this s**t pushed on them.

He's chosen west coast so fu** off with the Fremantle s**t and honour what he's asked for you campaigners

Don't worry, Kelly will get to The Eagles. Bell is just saying Freo are interested to appease the Dockers fans, they hardly are having a serious crack at Kelly like West Coast.

Certainly the Geelong lovers in the Melbourne media have been extremely annoying and biased against the Eagles in this saga.

 

[Peel67skin]

If we have an off year it could be a top 10 pick.

And yes - I did put a disclaimer about points in my post.

That is what I am trying to point out , so many if and disclaimer but not enough patient. Everybody just repeating the same thing over and over again from last year to this year. Eagles can use Brader and ask whether GWS and Gold Coast are interested in him both have first round pick in 10+ range if Geelong don't rate him.

 

[FreeTK]

my prediction:
West Coast offers a)
Wells asks for e)
they end up settling on b)

We might have to give more in a negotiation than they do. I have been ok with that since I watched Trading Day on fox last week. Jon Ralph was talking about the cost of getting Kelly and said;

"Imagine in 2020 you have Nic Natainui in the centre square and tapping to either Shuey on one side, and Kelly on the other".

If all goes well for Geelong, they get a couple of good prospects with the picks they get who will be good players in 2021 and beyond.

Once you take in to account that Kelly immediately strengthens our team and our 2020 Premiership prospects I became ok with paying a premium for Kelly.

Sometimes you have to choose which hill you are willing to die on and look at the bigger picture.

 

[evo]

We might have to give more in a negotiation than they do. I have been ok with that since I watched Trading Day on fox last week. Jon Ralph was talking about the cost of getting Kelly and said;

"Imagine in 2020 you have Nic Natainui in the centre square and tapping to either Shuey on one side, and Kelly on the other".

If all goes well for Geelong, they get a couple of good prospects with the picks they get who will be good players in 2021 and beyond.

Once you take in to account that Kelly immediately strengthens our team and our 2020 Premiership prospects I became ok with paying a premium for Kelly.

Sometimes you have to choose which hill you are willing to die on and look at the bigger picture.

I agree.

Trust me, as a Richmond supporter, I'm still clinging to the faint hope he goes to the Purple. The guy is an absolute beast.

 

[Blueeygrey]

Cos we are supporters, we are not renowned for using logic when it comes to our own sides. Every big trade turns into a S fight.

The real problem for Geelong is they have an ageing mid field and he is both close to their best and has many years to come. So they are venting.

So I get the tribal element, as you've suggested this year one could argue was peak Geelong. I just struggle to see how the inclusion

Can't speak for anyone else but I would imagine the best way of negotiating a trade with WC would be to talk to WC.

Yes, I think it's been established ,that a Club talking directly to fans before the trade results in a shit fight.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Footage of Kelly’s comments at Perth airport, if anyone (like me) hadn’t seen it

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

We might have to give more in a negotiation than they do. I have been ok with that since I watched Trading Day on fox last week. Jon Ralph was talking about the cost of getting Kelly and said;

"Imagine in 2020 you have Nic Natainui in the centre square and tapping to either Shuey on one side, and Kelly on the other".

If all goes well for Geelong, they get a couple of good prospects with the picks they get who will be good players in 2021 and beyond.

Once you take in to account that Kelly immediately strengthens our team and our 2020 Premiership prospects I became ok with paying a premium for Kelly.

Sometimes you have to choose which hill you are willing to die on and look at the bigger picture.

Yep any kids you draft in the next year or two are highly unlikely to have any impact on your flag window. You can't stay at the top for ever. I like your logic.

 

[Taylor]

Seriously, this has almost never happened in the history of draft and trade. Nick Stevens, Luke Ball, that's basically it. "He'll walk for nothing" is like Pickup Artistry: seems to work a lot more on the internet than in reality.

The more relevant example to me is Mitch Clark.

Freo offer their second pick and a modest deal for Mitch who was desperate to get home for family reasons, Brisbane want the first pick we have. It stalls.

Melbourne offer twice the money and a way better draft pick, Mitch decides his family reasons aren't such a big deal and he moves to Melbourne instead.

 

[DanWA]

The more relevant example to me is Mitch Clark.

Freo offer their second pick and a modest deal for Mitch who was desperate to get home for family reasons, Brisbane want the first pick we have. It stalls.

Melbourne offer twice the money and a way better draft pick, Mitch decides his family reasons aren't such a big deal and he moves to Melbourne instead.

Are you saying Freo could try the 900k+ offer on?

 

[ep2018]

2007..Chris Judd. Judd preferred Collingwood confirmed by Judd about 5 or so years ago not long after he retired. West Coast said at the time "he won't be going to Collingwood". carlton had better picks and Judd thought a trade was more likely with carlton, so Judd chose carlton.

We'd just beaten WCE in a semi final @ Subi. Lost the PF but were contending at that time.

Judd's mother was given a million a year desk job at Visy around the time he nominated Carlton. I'd say this had more effect on who he wanted to play for.