Traded Tim Kelly [traded with #57 and future 3rd to West Coast for #14, #24, #33 and future 1st]

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Hawthorn gave up Burton to get Wingard. Of course they didn't want him to go, and Burton didn't want to go, but they did it to get their man.

The Eagles probably needed to be a bit more creative here and had the last 12 months to figure something out, than to wait an entire year, knowing off a premiership that they are probably going to finish somewhere near the top and not have a pick under 10.

Everyone wants to keep their team intact, but to get top quality non free agents, you need to let something go. Even if Geelong doesn't want it.. they could have organised to trade Gaff somewhere else. Could have even let Gaff go last year to North Melbourne and get something nice in return for last year, plus their first round pick for this year. And there is your Kelly deal done. If West Coast don't have a plan in place here other than to show up with a bunch of picks in the teens and twenties, and say "this is all we have", it's a very arrogant or dumb approach.. I'm not sure which one.

The pick offerings would be the first stop, but surely they have a Plan B and Plan C.

What a great, common sense post. I wish a few West Coast supporters would see it this way. They need to get creative and stop complaining that they don't have the currency. They do have the currency, they just need to be creative if they want to secure a player of Kelly's calibre. I expect they will and Kelly will be traded and Geelong will be compensated appropriately.

 

[Scotland]

Anyone want to throw some "creative" trade ideas around?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Geelong either take a fair trade or he goes to the draft were he almost certainly gets picked up by the Eagles.There is no stress or panic on the Eagles side .People tend not to listen to the vic narrative over here.

Hes not going to the draft and he wouldnt get to west coast if he did.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Anyone want to throw some "creative" trade ideas around?

No.

That's the job of your list management team. Something they get paid to do. Or do they desperately need our help here on BF because they are so incompetent that they are unable to come up with any ideas?

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

"It's a deal that we need to consider. There's always too high of a price. It's what is fair and reasonable in any market circumstances. We acknowledge he's a very good player for their football club and we acknowledge that a heavy price needs to be paid."

- Craig Vozzo

 

[nameless]

No.

That's the job of your list management team. Something they get paid to do. Or do they desperately need our help here on BF because they are so incompetent that they are unable to come up with any ideas?

Lol, think Scotland was just trying to create discussion.....on a discussion forum.

 

[Americanpies]

Good for Hawthorn. They also gave up 23, 36, a future first (7) and a future second (26) to get O'Meara. They are not the norm as far as trade weeks go. But since you brought them up they got Mitchell for pick 14, Scrimshaw for a bag of chips and Scully for an expire Video Ezy coupon. They will soon have Jon Patton and if they give up a pick inside 45 I would be surprised. But people only want to highlight when they paid overs for some reason...

Had Gaff left we would've had pick 19, 20 and 22 last year instead of just 20 and 22 (pushed out to 23 and 25). More picks, not not better picks. We're going to just 'trade him somewhere else', it doesn't work like that.

This 'WC have had 12 months' thing is getting pretty tired. Geelong have had 12 months to convince Kelly to stay, he hasn't. Freo have had 12 months to convince Kelly he should join their club, he doesn't want to. Has everyone else just stood still the last 12 months?

People talk about plan B and C like it's just a case of finding ways to give Geelong more. That's a definite possibility but there's also plan D or E or F or whatever which is moving up in the draft with the intention of giving Geelong little or nothing. The only club that completely lose from this is Geelong. If WC don't trade and Kelly joins Freo via whatever means then we retain all our picks and get on with things.

I feel like West Coast have the most to lose..

Kelly could be the piece to deliver you a premiership.

Here is another historical example that goes with West Coast's position here...

Bulldogs - Tom Boyd. They gave up pick 6 and Griffen, and gave Boyd that huge contract - at the time this seemed just insane. Lo and Behond, they win a Premiership 2 years later and Boyd is more or less the GF day hero. Was Boyd worth what they gave up? They got a flag out of it.. so, in hindsight yes.

So now the question to you... Is a flag worth giving Geelong anything they desire, if it gives you the best possible chance at a flag? Or would you rather keep together a team that bobbles around the middle range of the top 8 for the next few years before bottoming out when guys like Kennedy, Natinui, Hurn, etc disappear....

 

[Scotland]

No.

That's the job of your list management team. Something they get paid to do. Or do they desperately need our help here on BF because they are so incompetent that they are unable to come up with any ideas?

This is a forum. We are not list managers. We are fans who discuss ideas.

FYI your list management team is paid to do likewise. So far your club and released a statement saying your player has requested to move to WA (not WC as the player's manager actually said) and made statements to the effect that none of our picks are enough.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Lol, think Scotland was just trying to create discussion.....on a discussion forum.

You Eagles fans should get to work then and discuss some ideas. Not our problem. Whatever ideas we come up with will no doubt be rejected by you guys.

Waste of time.

 

[Scotland]

Lol, think Scotland was just trying to create discussion.....on a discussion forum.

Crazy right?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Anyone want to throw some "creative" trade ideas around?

Look id like a top 5 pick but i am realistic that you likely cant prize that loose. Honestly to me the most likely scenario i see is you trying to move 24 and your future first for say 9 and then 9 and 14 for Kelly which we would take, albeit reluctantly. The issue is pick 9 will probably get tied up with papley/daniher so unless carlton are prepared to swap it quickly the kelly trade gets dragged out. Considering all circs i think 2 decent R1s is pretty fair i think the issue is bc next years draft is quite diluted Geelong dont really want 14 + 15-20 next year (plus having to wait a year to get the player) they want 2 R1s this year instead. I suspect Geelong and WCE probably agree on that value, if you can find the 2nd R1 this year it gets done if you cant then we may hold out and see if he can be turned to Freo etc. The other option is it includes a player from wce either to Geelong or a 3rd club but i think thats less likely (unless WCE have changed their view on trading Brander).

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You Eagles fans should get to work then and discuss some ideas. Not our problem. Whatever ideas we come up with will no doubt be rejected by you guys.

Waste of time.

What about his post made you think he was only asking for ideas from Geelong fans?

 

[Asapartyhat]

Who knows. Apparently he is currently rebuffing Longmuir's attempts to reach out.

Has no issues with Fremantle but the Eagles are his desired destination.
Some reports have indicated that the Kelly camp are not pleased with how Geelong have handled his leaving and they may not want to do Geelong any favours but thats speculation on my behalf.Though the Geelong bridge does seem to have been burnt.

 

[Americanpies]

What a great, common sense post. I wish a few West Coast supporters would see it this way. They need to get creative and stop complaining that they don't have the currency. They do have the currency, they just need to be creative if they want to secure a player of Kelly's calibre. I expect they will and Kelly will be traded and Geelong will be compensated appropriately.

Yes.. I'm getting fed up with this playing dumb business by West Coast people.... "we only have picks 14 and 22.. .. that's all we can do... it's not like we have a Premiership side fresh off a premiership 12 months ago... we don't have anything to trade.. no. "

 

[nameless]

Bulldogs - Tom Boyd. They gave up pick 6 and Griffen, and gave Boyd that huge contract - at the time this seemed just insane. Lo and Behond, they win a Premiership 2 years later and Boyd is more or less the GF day hero. Was Boyd worth what they gave up? They got a flag out of it.. so, in hindsight yes.

That was a real flash in the pan performance.
It's not like we're 50 years without a flag that we need to offer someone $1m+ to land us a flag, we did win one a year ago.
So while our squad is getting a little older, they're still very strong.

The issue is certainly midfield and replacing Kennedy.
But I don't think we'd want to be selling our future for another chance, when we might be able to get Kelly and keep our future relatively in tact.

Or just forgo Kelly and back in the current players to win another premiership in the next 1-3 years while keeping the focus on the youth to ensure we are building another premiership squad in 6-7 years.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

This is a forum. We are not list managers. We are fans who discuss ideas.

FYI your list management team is paid to do likewise. So far your club and released a statement saying your player has requested to move to WA (not WC as the player's manager actually said) and made statements to the effect that none of our picks are enough.

Yes, and our list management guys need to get creative in order to satisfy the Saints requirements re Jack Steven. Wells saying your current picks aren't enough means you need to get to work to secure better picks. I think your club is well run for the most part and they will find a way to do this.

To get Brad Ottens we had to trade Moloney to get another first round pick in order to satisfy Richmond. We didn't sit there idly saying we don't have the currency. We made it happen.

 

[Two Planks]

Anyone want to throw some "creative" trade ideas around?

Geelong get 5 and 25
Geelong lose Kelly

West Coast get Kelly
West Coast lose 14, 24 and future 1st

Bulldogs get West Coast future 1st and 24
Bulldogs lose 13

Essendon get 13 and 14
Essendon lose Daniher

Sydney get Daniher
Sydney lose 5 and 25

 

[Scotland]

I feel like West Coast have the most to lose..

Kelly could be the piece to deliver you a premiership.

Here is another historical example that goes with West Coast's position here...

Bulldogs - Tom Boyd. They gave up pick 6 and Griffen, and gave Boyd that huge contract - at the time this seemed just insane. Lo and Behond, they win a Premiership 2 years later and Boyd is more or less the GF day hero. Was Boyd worth what they gave up? They got a flag out of it.. so, in hindsight yes.

So now the question to you... Is a flag worth giving Geelong anything they desire, if it gives you the best possible chance at a flag? Or would you rather keep together a team that bobbles around the middle range of the top 8 for the next few years before bottoming out when guys like Kennedy, Natinui, Hurn, etc disappear....

Could. We made a GF then added Redden and Jetta. How did that work out? We scraped into the finals, lost Priddis and Mitchell and then Naitanui did an ACL. How did that work out?

WC 2019 are nothing like WB 2014. They won a flag in 2016 but for the most part Tom Boyd was a non factor. He had a very good 2016 finals series but otherwise didn't do a lot. 52 games, 0 Brownlow votes. Kicked 4 in a game once. They wouldn't have won the flag without him but you could say the same about Liam Picken who was a tagger most of his career, or Clay Smith who kicked 4 in the prelim, or Joel Hamling who kept Lance Franklin to 1 goal. Silly comparison, our GF day heroes were Dom Sheed and Will Schofield. It has zero bearing on Kelly.

If you can guarantee that WC win a flag in the next 5 years I will happily trade all of our picks for 2019/20 permissible. But that isn't how it works.

 

[Americanpies]

Look id like a top 5 pick but i am realistic that you likely cant prize that loose. Honestly to me the most likely scenario i see is you trying to move 24 and your future first for say 9 and then 9 and 14 for Kelly which we would take, albeit reluctantly. The issue is pick 9 will probably get tied up with papley/daniher so unless carlton are prepared to swap it quickly the kelly trade gets dragged out. Considering all circs i think 2 decent R1s is pretty fair i think the issue is bc next years draft is quite diluted Geelong dont really want 14 + 15-20 next year (plus having to wait a year to get the player) they want 2 R1s this year instead. I suspect Geelong and WCE probably agree on that value, if you can find the 2nd R1 this year it gets done if you cant then we may hold out and see if he can be turned to Freo etc. The other option is it includes a player from wce either to Geelong or a 3rd club but i think thats less likely (unless WCE have changed their view on trading Brander).

Geelong knows that if he goes to West Coast, they are highly touted to win the flag next year.. making the first round pick up at 19 after the Gold Coast double dip and then compensation for free agents.. could even be over pick 20. Going for next years picks I'm pretty sure would be sweeteners more than anything.

I agree it has to be something under pick 10 + another pick in the teens. I don't know why West Coast fans can't seem to agree.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Geelong get 5 and 25
Geelong lose Kelly

West Coast get Kelly
West Coast lose 14, 24 and future 1st

Bulldogs get West Coast future 1st and 24
Bulldogs lose 13

Essendon get 13 and 14
Essendon lose Daniher

Sydney get Daniher
Sydney lose 5 and 25

Dodo wont do that trade because he is dodo but its not a bad effort.

 

[Scotland]

What about his post made you think he was only asking for ideas from Geelong fans?

It's not up to Geelong fans to come up with ideas, according to that guy.

 

[Seeds]

Kelly has left Geelong never to return. His doesn't have a contract. He has requested a trade to WC who would have met him and agreed to trading for him. His reasiongs are pesonal and valid.
WC will see value in him obviously, there will also be opportunity value in the picks they have or could trade for. While the cosl to trade is less that the opportunity cost they will trade. When not they will walk. The don't have to get anything done.

He has only left geelong once he has been traded or nominated for the draft. Neither has happened yet.

 

[Seeds]

How dare he name his destination

Only Ablett & Dangerfield are allowed to do that

Ablett and dangerfield played many years at their previous club
Kelly has played 2. Situation is very different.

 

[marty36]

He has only left geelong once he has been traded or nominated for the draft. Neither has happened yet.

Technically he is a Geelong player for a few more weeks when his contract finishes

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[Miguel Sanchez]

He has only left geelong once he has been traded or nominated for the draft. Neither has happened yet.

I think he meant Geelong the town.

Based on the pics of Kelly’s luggage at the airport, he’s not intended to go back in a hurry