Time to ban live export once and for all

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Animals Australia are hopefully about to get reamed by the ACNC.

In an extraordinary departure from the silence that usually shrouds the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission’s investigations into potential charity wrongdoings, commissioner Gary Johns has confirmed that the animal rights group’s activities are being reviewed.

In a letter, obtained by The West Australian, Dr Johns said that complaints about payments allegedly made by Animals Australia’s operatives in exchange for footage of animal cruelty on live export ships were being taken seriously.

“While I cannot discuss the ACNC’s involvement in the matter you have raised, I can confirm that the ACNC is aware of the serious issues and allegations raised in the media recently regarding the charity’s representations offering financial compensation to individuals able to provide footage of animal cruelty in the live export trade,” Dr Johns wrote.

“The ACNC are reviewing these allegations as a priority.”

https://thewest.com.au/news/charity...ver-live-export-whistleblowers-ng-b881096246z

Don't charities hire marketing / fundraising directors all the time and pay then, to come up with ways to gather funds?

Charity pays worker to provide footage of animal cruelty. Wrong
Charity pays worker to devise ways of making more money. Right.

Ban it!

 

[Craven Morehead]

Don't charities hire marketing / fundraising directors all the time and pay then, to come up with ways to gather funds?

Charity pays worker to provide footage of animal cruelty. Wrong
Charity pays worker to devise ways of making more money. Right.

Ban it!

That's a very long bow you're drawing there.
ACNC rules for charities are there for a very good reason.
If AA wants to become a lobbying company, that's fine. Just don't do it under the auspices of a charity.
Can you not see how paying someone thousands of dollars brings AA, and the footage, into question at the very least?

 

[Mofra]

You obviously never do any shopping for yourself if you think good steak is $25 a kilo, add at least $7 to that. You can see t-bone for that sort of price if it's on special.

T-Bone is in unfilleted porterhouse + eye isn't it? Both decent cuts. I like a good T Bone, but Scotch fillet is my favourite.
My dad (4th generation meatworker FWIW) still enjoys his oyster blade, which is a cheap cut but very nice if you don't mind the gristle in the middle.

I'm hungry now so I guess this thread isn't having the best effect (and for balance, I actually know a few of the girls who work for Animals Australia).

 

[WA ROO]

Stopping live export is not the end goal for the activists

 

[Craven Morehead]

Stopping live export is not the end goal for the activists

That would be the end of all animal based agriculture. Period.
The end of pet ownership, animal racing etc, etc, etc.
AA and others are just a front for the extreme end of veganism and animal rights activism.

 

[Hawk Dork]

If vegans thought out their process long term, it would result in more animal deaths and cruelty,through over population and starvation and we would be gently trying to deter feral animals, trying to eat our factory farmed, artificially fertilised, vegetables,further destroying the ecosystem.

It only works if a few do it and dont question where their organic fertiliser came from, a slaughter yard,a dairy or a chicken shed,because people dont pick up free range cow and chook poo to sell as organic fertiliser it needs to be concentrated to be profitable.

 

[Mofra]

That would be the end of all animal based agriculture. Period.
The end of pet ownership, animal racing etc, etc, etc.
AA and others are just a front for the extreme end of veganism and animal rights activism.

AA certainly aren't against pet ownership - I know some staff also volunteer at (or run) animal shelters and try to find homes for abandoned animals.

 

[Maggie5]

T-Bone is in unfilleted porterhouse + eye isn't it? Both decent cuts. I like a good T Bone, but Scotch fillet is my favourite.
My dad (4th generation meatworker FWIW) still enjoys his oyster blade, which is a cheap cut but very nice if you don't mind the gristle in the middle.

I'm hungry now so I guess this thread isn't having the best effect (and for balance, I actually know a few of the girls who work for Animals Australia).

I had a great local butcher who closed shop after 35 years in business. My favourite cuts were rib-eye, eye fillet and rump.

Tried a number of butchers in the area but the quality nowhere near to what I was buying.

I have now switched to fish (snapper, trout, whiting, salmon, calamari and prawns) and chicken. I love Vic Market.

I go out if I want a nice steak (Squires Loft).

The issue of sending livestock overseas has been going on for years, why can't they improve the process instead of banning?

 

[Mofra]

I had a great local butcher who closed shop after 35 years in business. My favourite cuts were rib-eye, eye fillet and rump.

Tried a number of butchers in the area but the quality nowhere near to what I was buying.

I have now switched to fish (snapper, trout, whiting, salmon, calamari and prawns) and chicken. I love Vic Market.

I go out if I want a nice steak (Squires Loft).

The issue of sending livestock overseas has been going on for years, why can't they improve the process instead of banning?

Some of the issue is the treatment of animals in some ports when they arrive - as discussed earlier in this thread, establishing a large number of abattoirs across northern Australia is not feasible for a variety of reasons and live export from Australia may actually be better than a complete ban as overseas markets will not reduce meat consumption, just source live imports from other (less tightly controlled) markets.

 

[Craven Morehead]

AA certainly aren't against pet ownership - I know some staff also volunteer at (or run) animal shelters and try to find homes for abandoned animals.

Fair call on that particular issue with regards to AA. However, I did mention 'other' organisations who do have that as a policy.
Apologies for the confusion. I'm not a great writer.

 

[Craven Morehead]

I had a great local butcher who closed shop after 35 years in business. My favourite cuts were rib-eye, eye fillet and rump.

Tried a number of butchers in the area but the quality nowhere near to what I was buying.

I have now switched to fish (snapper, trout, whiting, salmon, calamari and prawns) and chicken. I love Vic Market.

I go out if I want a nice steak (Squires Loft).

The issue of sending livestock overseas has been going on for years, why can't they improve the process instead of banning?

It's an ongoing issue, but we certainly aren't sitting on our hands.

Over 70% of the LEP’s investment in RD&E is in animal welfare and targeted at supporting the continuous improvement of livestock health, welfare and management throughout the supply chain. Approximately 20% of the RD&E investment is targeted at projects that aim to enhance the livestock export industry’s supply chain capability and risk management profile.



http://www.livecorp.com.au/

 

[Maggie5]

It's an ongoing issue, but we certainly aren't sitting on our hands.

Over 70% of the LEP’s investment in RD&E is in animal welfare and targeted at supporting the continuous improvement of livestock health, welfare and management throughout the supply chain. Approximately 20% of the RD&E investment is targeted at projects that aim to enhance the livestock export industry’s supply chain capability and risk management profile.
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http://www.livecorp.com.au/

I actually was thinking more the actual shipment. Is there a maximum amount of animals that can be kept in a confined area?

 

[Craven Morehead]

I actually was thinking more the actual shipment. Is there a maximum amount of animals that can be kept in a confined area?

"Throughout the supply chain" means from the paddock to the destination, including shipping.
Numbers on sheep shipments have been reduced.
It is not in anyone's interests for livestock to be in a worse state on arrival than departure.

 

[Maggie5]

"Throughout the supply chain" means from the paddock to the destination, including shipping.
Numbers on sheep shipments have been reduced.
It is not in anyone's interests for livestock to be in a worse state on arrival than departure.

I know what the 'supply chain' is. What I asked was about max numbers say per sq ft.

 

[Hawk Dork]

"Throughout the supply chain" means from the paddock to the destination, including shipping.
Numbers on sheep shipments have been reduced.
It is not in anyone's interests for livestock to be in a worse state on arrival than departure.

It comes down to acceptable losses though,is there still a profit in it

 

[Craven Morehead]

I know what the 'supply chain' is. What I asked was about max numbers say per sq ft.

Yes there is, but I can't find the actual numbers.
As stated previously, the density has been changed on sheep ships quite recently.

 

[Craven Morehead]

It comes down to acceptable losses though,is there still a profit in it

Again, losses on live export are less than in paddock mortality.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Again, losses on live export are less than in paddock mortality.

over the same time frame?

 

[Power Raid]

Another horrible story of animal cruelty and prison sentences need to be a real consideration for all offenders

https://thewest.com.au/business/agr...tion-bosses-over-cattle-deaths-ng-b881097669z

Livestock compliance officers from the State Government are investigating the deaths at Yandeyarra Reserve and Noonkanbah Station, after hundreds of heat-affected animals were discovered.

It is understood more than 650 cattle have been euthanised at the Mugarinya Community Association-managed Yandeyarra, about 100km south of Port Hedland, since the issue was made public last week.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01...-investigation-into-historic-station/10685858

The ABC understands the cattle belonged to Noonkanbah Station in Western Australia's far north.

The State Government refused to name the property but said an inspection last week found several hundred animals dead or dying after becoming bogged near watering points.

A further 85 had to be euthanased.

A final figure is yet to be released but it is understood that as many as 1,000 head of cattle may have perished.

Noonkanbah Station is managed by Yungngora Association Incorporated.

 

[Taylor]

That's an indigenous community?

 

[Power Raid]

That's an indigenous community?

yep

the issue at hand here is the healthy aborigines are 75 to 100 years of age......who benefited from work and three healthy meals a day
The 50-75 year olds are dead.
the 20-50 year olds have diabetes, sleep all say, suffer from vision issues and limb amputations.
the 12- 25 year olds that aren't wiped out are on the turps and fleeing from sexual and physical violence
the 0-17 year olds are hungry as the elders spend their money on drugs and booze rather than feeding the kids

sadly in a few years the elders will be gone and history re written. People will forget the cost of "sit down money" and point the blame on a date.


Our indigenous friends desperately need our help.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Would have thought the drought was the main problem here,maybe even climate change.

 

[Thrawn]

That would be the end of all animal based agriculture. Period.
The end of pet ownership, animal racing etc, etc, etc.
AA and others are just a front for the extreme end of veganism and animal rights activism.

Fringe groups or extreme groups like PETA, sure, but the default position of the animal rights activist isn't against pet ownership as far as I'm aware.

 

[Craven Morehead]

over the same time frame?

I would say yes as most fatalities in livestock happens when they are handled, apart from poisoning, snake bite etc.
Considering most cattle in the north are only handled once a year for weaning, branding etc and held in yards for no more than a week the numbers add up.
Especially when you consider that LE mortality rates are counted not only on the ships themselves, but from the time of purchase, through to feedlotting to adjust them to ship rations and then shipping to the final destination.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Fringe groups or extreme groups like PETA, sure, but the default position of the animal rights activist isn't against pet ownership as far as I'm aware.

I made my mea culpa to Mofra on that point earlier in the thread.