Traded Tom Hickey [traded with #34 & #60 to Sydney for #58, #62, 2021 R2 (Port), R3]

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Eagles are pretty much nailed on to get pick 24 from Gold Coast

It will be a ton of draft pick swaps with Eagles wanting some picks this year and Gold Coast wanting there picks next year. Something like

Swans get - Tom Hickey, Eagles 2021 4th rounder
Swans lose - 2021 3rd rounder + pick 56

Eagles get - Pick 24 and 56
Eagles lose - Tom Hickey + 2021 3rd rounder + 2021 4th rounder

Gold Coast get - Eagles 2021 3rd rounder, Swans 2021 3rd rounder,
Gold Coast lose - pick 24

It will be long winded id say but yeah it will be something like that style of deal I think
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Eagles are pretty much nailed on to get pick 24 from Gold Coast

It will be a ton of draft pick swaps with Eagles wanting some picks this year and Gold Coast wanting there picks next year. Something like

Swans get - Tom Hickey, Eagles 2021 4th rounder
Swans lose - 2021 3rd rounder + pick 56

Eagles get - Pick 24 and 56
Eagles lose - Tom Hickey + 2021 3rd rounder + 2021 4th rounder

Gold Coast get - Eagles 2021 3rd rounder, Swans 2021 3rd rounder,
Gold Coast lose - pick 24

It will be long winded id say but yeah it will be something like that style of deal I think
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That pick 24 will end up almost like a 2021 third rounder so I am not sure where the win is here for eagles....
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Eagles are pretty much nailed on to get pick 24 from Gold Coast

It will be a ton of draft pick swaps with Eagles wanting some picks this year and Gold Coast wanting there picks next year. Something like

Swans get - Tom Hickey, Eagles 2021 4th rounder
Swans lose - 2021 3rd rounder + pick 56

Eagles get - Pick 24 and 56
Eagles lose - Tom Hickey + 2021 3rd rounder + 2021 4th rounder

Gold Coast get - Eagles 2021 3rd rounder, Swans 2021 3rd rounder,
Gold Coast lose - pick 24

It will be long winded id say but yeah it will be something like that style of deal I think
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The Swans come out like bandits. Basically pick 56 something aand a future 4th rounder ungrade to a 3rd for Hickey. When they are trying to convince the Eagles to let go a player they are happy to keep. Really?

I would be pretty annoyed if we folded and let Hickey go for that meazly return. We want the Swans pick 22,we may need to add a future 4th as well but I wont be surprised one bit if it was a straight swap, 22 for Hickey. That 22 will end up closer to 30.
 

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Obeanie1 said:
The Swans come out like bandits. Basically pick 56 something aand a future 4th rounder ungrade to a 3rd for Hickey. When they are trying to convince the Eagles to let go a player they are happy to keep. Really?

I would be pretty annoyed if we folded and let Hickey go for that meazly return. We want the Swans pick 22, may need a future 4th as wellbut I wont be surprised one bit if it was a straight swap, 22 for Hickey. That22 will end up closer to 30.
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Pick 22 for Hickey? You can’t be serious.
 
Northernsoul74 said:
Pick 22 for Hickey? You can’t be serious.
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What part of pick 22 will end up pick 30 odd didnt you understand?

And I said a future third may be needed.

Look at the demand v supply for a starting ruck who can ruck a full game. They are very thin on the ground.

Swans will lose that pick on nga bids.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Exactly, and it will continue to fall before draft night and bids start taking some out.
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I can’t see this happening. The Swans need points to match 2 Academy selections (Campbell & Gulden). Their strategy would be to exchange pick 24 (for more points) so as to avoid a 2021 deficit. The ultimate 20 + draft positions will drift higher as these bids are matched. It could be as simple as SYD handing over a third round selection for Hickey & WC handing over one of this years thirds for Langdon. WC don’t have enough capital this year, unless they have a player in mind. Then WC could make an offer on draft night using future picks. It’s strange that the list size is still unknown.
 
Blueeygrey said:
I can’t see this happening. The Swans need points to match 2 Academy selections (Campbell & Gulden). Their strategy would be to exchange pick 24 (for more points) so as to avoid a 2021 deficit. The ultimate 20 + draft positions will drift higher as these bids are matched. It could be as simple as SYD handing over a third round selection for Hickey & WC handing over one of this years thirds for Langdon. WC don’t have enough capital this year, unless they have a player in mind. Then WC could make an offer on draft night using future picks. It’s strange that the list size is still unknown.
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You dont get a ready made AFL ruckman who is under contract for nothing.

Thats a given no matter what points you need.

If Swans need points then sure Eagles can help out with a mix of pick 30, 49 or 53. So if Hickey plus picks for points go to the Swans something comes back. Either pick 22 (now 24) plus a future 3rd.

Eagles future 2nd is also available to trade elsewhere to improve this years hand.......if they elect to. Can actually see live pick trading happening more this draft.
 
Obeanie1 said:
You dont get a ready made AFL ruckman who is under contract for nothing.

Thats a given no matter what points you need.

If Swans need points then sure Eagles can help out with a mix of pick 30, 49 or 53. So if Hickey plus picks for points go to the Swans something comes back. Either pick 22 (now 24) plus a future 3rd.

Eagles future 2nd is also available to trade elsewhere to improve this years hand.......if they elect to. Can actually see live pick trading happening more this draft.
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If Campbell has a bid at say 3-5 & Gulden goes between 15 & 20 the Sydney will need more than 2000 points. WC don’t have that negotiation capital. SYD will have to trade a future 1st or 2nd or go into deficit. Everyones trying to get deals done early. Depending on list size ,I wonder how many 4 round picks get used this year. Isn't there a rule you can only use the same amount of picks as your main list selections? or can you just accumulate picks to reduce draft point deficits?
 
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huggy_b said:
How did Hickey suddenly become more valuable when you traded pick 39 and a future 4th 2 years ago to get him and he's 3rd / 4th in line to get a game? Played 3 games in 2020, is 30 years old - you'd surely be happy for a set of steak knives at this point? He's not the hot commodity you think he is.
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He's become more valuable to Sydney, because their No 1 ruckman ( Naismith, 28yrs) did his knee and Sinclair (31yrs) is injury prone. Hickey (29 yrs) can play as a No 1 ruck. Nic Nat is WC's current No1 ruck working with developing Ruck/Forwards (Williams & Allen). Nic Nat has come off knee reconstructions so Hickey (contracted) was his backup. I believe WC have indicated he is available at the right price. Sydney have explored other options (Ladhams 22yrs & Hayes 21yrs) without success. Capable ruckman have become a desired commodity.
 

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huggy_b said:
How did Hickey suddenly become more valuable when you traded pick 39 and a future 4th 2 years ago to get him and he's 3rd / 4th in line to get a game? Played 3 games in 2020, is 30 years old - you'd surely be happy for a set of steak knives at this point? He's not the hot commodity you think he is.
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Demand v supply.

Swans have one semi fit aging ruck and Alir. Alir doesnt want to play ruck and Port are circling.

Hickey is contracted for two more, years has been paid a front ended contract and remains next in line after Naitanui.

Swans are chasing him and they need the Eagles to agree.

These are not the circumstances where anyone picks up Hickey dirt cheap. He's required and has already been paid the bulk of his contract. So Swans pay slight overs at the trade table or forget about it. Eagles are happy either way.

The Swans have approached a required contracted player. The Eagles are not shopping Hickey around.
 
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Obeanie1 said:
Hickey is contracted for two more, years has been paid a front ended contract and remains next in line after Naitanui.

Swans are chasing him and they need the Eagles to agree.

These are not the circumstances where anyone picks up Hickey dirt cheap. He's required and has already been paid the bulk of his contract. So Swans pay slight overs at the trade table or forget about it. Eagles are happy either way.
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Bloody hell, those bolded bits are scary
 
We just have no need or want to trade here. Steak knives is when you get a benefit from having them off your list. Hickey however is on the last year of a front ended deal earning peanuts. We just dont get any advantage from letting him go and getting pick 60 odd. If anything we get disadvantaged as we lose a experienced body on a very good contract

Unless we benefit from it, we cant and shouldnt do it. Pick 60 or pick 70 just isnt a real benefit
 
stew42 said:
Bloody hell, those bolded bits are scary
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Not as scary as the Swans ruck stocks.

Eagles have 5 rucks on the list, two of those are young and developing and cannot be expected to carry the #1 ruck spot for another year or two. The other two are forward / rucks, both still better than ALir ALir who does not want to play ruck.

So for the next 1-2 years Hickey is backup to Nic.

Feel free to list the other 2nd rucks at all the other clubs and compare them.

When you actually look at the lack of quality depth in all the rucks in the comp you start understanding why they are worth a little bit more at the trade table than your second string mids, flankers and talls. They are a limited asset.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
We just have no need or want to trade here. Steak knives is when you get a benefit from having them off your list. Hickey however is on the last year of a front ended deal earning peanuts. We just dont get any advantage from letting him go and getting pick 60 odd. If anything we get disadvantaged as we lose a experienced body on a very good contract

Unless we benefit from it, we cant and shouldnt do it. Pick 60 or pick 70 just isnt a real benefit
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Exactly.

Interesting that it was reported the Swans need to get the picks the Eagles want. That sounds like a future pick and not pick 22 which is now 24 and sliding.

If the Eagles want a pick upgrade then they must be adding picks to Hickey. Something like Hickey and the Eagles pick 30 or their 2021 2nd for a late 2020 1st?
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Tend to agree but I cant see Stef Martin wanting to go to Sydney. He will get another contract at Brisbane for sure. THey just waiting to see what they can offer post trade really

After Stef, who else is there?
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Absolutely no one. 3 years to hickey is a ridiculous move. I’d prefer we to to play two undersized rucks in Sinclair and ruck who can alternate forward than committing to hickey
 
Obeanie1 said:
Except Martin has had back issues in 2020 and his fitness has a ???

No point bringing in a broken down 31 year old ruck.

But yes, he is an option. Just need to be sure on his fitness.
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Martin should be exceptionally cheap given where he’s at at atm. Obviously no guarantees but he’s far less of a commitment than 3 years to hickey
 
Superstar swan said:
Absolutely no one. 3 years to hickey is a ridiculous move. I’d prefer we to to play two undersized rucks in Sinclair and ruck who can alternate forward than committing to hickey
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Thats your issue. None of the undersized rucks want to play ruck. Alir has said he isnt doing it anymore and rightfully so. Reid isnt fit enough to do it. Anyone else?

You are better off getting Hickey for a overall pick 39 then you are ruining Alir and Reids careers by throwing them to the wolves
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Thats your issue. None of the undersized rucks want to play ruck. Alir has said he isnt doing it anymore and rightfully so. Reid isnt fit enough to do it. Anyone else?

You are better off getting Hickey for a overall pick 39 then you are ruining Alir and Reids careers by throwing them to the wolves
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Sinclair and McLean
 

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Traded Tom Hickey [traded with #34 & #60 to Sydney for #58, #62, 2021 R2 (Port), R3]

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