Free Agency Tom Rockliff [signed with Port Adelaide]

[Roylion]

There's also the small fact that Beams is a considerably better player than Rockliff.

I disagree. Beams is a better player than Rockliff, but not by much. Watch a few more Brisbane games.

 

[Schraderbrau]

My point was explaining why Beams won the 2015 best and fairest with three others. His 2015 season with the Lions (before his injury) was very good. In one of his two matches this year, he picked up 30 touches. We know how good he could be. That's why the Lions paid a good price for him.

Let's wait until the end of his 5 year contract with the Lions (when Beams be 30) to work out whether it was a good trade or not. The good news for Brisbane is that he's likely to put in a full pre-season.

Fair enough. Although I will say that 30 possession games are bullshit the way AFL is played now imo.

 

[ausbacker]

That's up to you but I reckon I watched everyone of his games for Collingwood and that's what I took from them.

I disagree. Beams is a better player than Rockliff, but not by much. Watch a few more Brisbane games.

Thank you both for assuming fans of other teams don't widely watch football games then come to their own conclusions.

 

[blueiris]

I disagree. Beams is a better player than Rockliff, but not by much. Watch a few more Brisbane games.

No ones going to want to watch us play for a few years I don't really blame them either really I find it hard watching us play sometimes

 

[Schraderbrau]

Thank you both for assuming fans of other teams don't widely watch football games then come to their own conclusions.

yw

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

That's up to you but I reckon I watched everyone of his games for Collingwood and that's what I took from them.

I watched every one of his games and he was a great clearance player. Was one of if not Collingwood's best.

He's also one of the best handballers in the league. Top 5 easily. He is absolutely brilliant by hand. So creative and it's a very underrated part of his game.

I agree his defensive side is average, but so are most of the best midfielders'. You undersell him a lot.

 

[Roylion]

Thank you both for assuming fans of other teams don't widely watch football games then come to their own conclusions.

I watch all of Brisbane's games (including the thrashings) and come to my own conclusions - one of which is a disagreement with your assessment of the relative worth of Rockliff and Beams.

 

[blueiris]

Not sure if serious?

Zorko has 101 goals from 101 games. Beams has 129 from 128 and spends less time forward.

You do realize Beams has been playing longer than Zorko right? Zorko kicks freakish goals can't remember the last time Beams even kick a goal at Brisbane

 

[Schraderbrau]

I watched every one of his games and he was a great clearance player. Was one of if not Collingwood's best.

He's also one of the best handballers in the league. Top 5 easily. He is absolutely brilliant by hand. So creative and it's a very underrated part of his game.

I agree his defensive side is average, but so are most of the best midfielders'. You undersell him a lot.

First point - his clearances numbers are not bad but the quality of his clearances are ordinary. He just bangs it on his boot too much and for the reason I completely disagree with your view that he's a great handballer. It's an area which he is lacking and I really thought we felt it at the pies in his last few seasons given it wasn't a strength of Swan's game as well. Really only Pendlebury was an excellent user from clearances in that period imo and we really felt it from about 2012 onwards. Sydney have been the benchmark in terms of quality clearance play imo and if you compare us to them the difference was telling and it mainly come down to the fact that they were brilliant at shooting handballs out from stoppages to an unpressured kicker. We weren't good at this and relied too much on pressured kicks in the congestion and were worked out pretty quickly as a consequence imo. Our much vaunted midfield from 2012 onwards was really very overrated and that's why we weren't challenging for a premiership.

I accept that I'm probably in a minority of Pies supporters who see it that way but that's the view I've had from about 2012 onwards when he turned himself into a very good player. He has significantly limitations that don't show up on the stats sheet imo.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

You do realize Beams has been playing longer than Zorko right? Zorko kicks freakish goals can't remember the last time Beams even kick a goal at Brisbane

The comment was that Zorko has more goal kicking talent than Beams, despite the fact that he doesn't kick more goals per game and that he spends more time forward. It is abundantly clear that Zorko does not have more goal kicking talent, regardless of their relative 'freakishness'. If anything it's the other way around.

Zorko kicks more freakish goals than Matthew Lloyd did. Doesn't mean he has more goal kicking talent, though.

Also, did you see some of the long range snaps Beams kicked for the Pies? He kicked some rippers.

 

[Canada]

Beams clearly the best of the 4 being mentioned.
Rockliff clearly worst.
Hanley and Zorko in the middle but not sure what order.

 

[ausbacker]

I watch all of Brisbane's games (including the thrashings) and come to my own conclusions - one of which is a disagreement with your assessment of the relative worth of Rockliff and Beams.

You're welcome to that opinion, the one major difference being I'm not the poster proffering a passive-aggressive opinion qualifier.

 

[Roylion]

Beams clearly the best of the 4 being mentioned.
Rockliff clearly worst.
Hanley and Zorko in the middle but not sure what order.

Not in my view. Currently my ranking of best to worst would be Beams, Rockliff, Hanley and Zorko.

 

[SSSSSS]

Rockliff being seriously underrated. Doesn't do as much damage as the others but you need someone at the coalface.

Plus he's handy up forward.

 

[Apex36]

he drew with martin, zorko and robinson so I don't think it's really credible. He definitely hasn't given them anything near what they expected and the trade has turned into a bit of a disaster. 2017 will be huge

Yeah but he did it only playing 16 games. He was pretty exceptional until he got injured, was basically an AA lock until that point.

 

[Apex36]

No he really isn't Rockliff and Beams would be on a par and Zorko would be our best player

No neuteral supporter would ever take Rockliff over Beams assuming both are fit. It's not even close.

 

[Andy_Mac]

From a poster on Demonland (Melbourne fan forum), who actually has a very good track record posted that the following has been agreed to in principle subject to Brisbane getting a pick in the 30's and Rocky's medical results.

Melbourne gain: Rockliff, end of round 1 pick (19) and a mid 30s pick (not yet acquired)

Brisbane gain: Dunn, 2017 Rd 1 pick (9-13) and 2016 Rd 2 (pick 29)

His source was directly from the mouths of both the new Brisbane football operations manager, and a former Fitzroy great, current Brisbane scout and father of a current afl captain (who happens to be his uncle).

 

[Headless]

Seems unders to me.

 

[pulpdriver]

Actually Beams stats make him look better than he is although not to the same extreme as Rockliff. His great point of difference is that he scores a lot of goals as a midfielder. If he couldn't do that then he'd just be an average run of the mill midfielder - just an average kick, average in clearances, average on the spread etc. Also copped a lot of criticism at the Pies for not being a defensive runner and has a very ordinary finals record for a player of his purported quality. He's a very good player but there's no doubt that the stat sheet and the Collingwood factor made him appear a lot better than he really was.

If Hanley is 100% he is better than both Rockliff and Beams imo.

I think Beams and Rocky are both better players than Hanley although I would agree to an extent him at 100% is more valuable to our team. We had a top 5 most important players thread and I had Hanley at one over Beams and Rocky due to his point of difference with his line breaking and game winning X-factor. Has been one of my favourite players to watch over the last few years.

 

[Trob]

Actually Beams stats make him look better than he is although not to the same extreme as Rockliff. His great point of difference is that he scores a lot of goals as a midfielder. If he couldn't do that then he'd just be an average run of the mill midfielder - just an average kick, average in clearances, average on the spread etc. Also copped a lot of criticism at the Pies for not being a defensive runner and has a very ordinary finals record for a player of his purported quality. He's a very good player but there's no doubt that the stat sheet and the Collingwood factor made him appear a lot better than he really was.

If Hanley is 100% he is better than both Rockliff and Beams imo.

Don't think you will find many people with the same opinion!

 

[Sylvia Saint]

From a poster on Demonland (Melbourne fan forum), who actually has a very good track record posted that the following has been agreed to in principle subject to Brisbane getting a pick in the 30's and Rocky's medical results.

Melbourne gain: Rockliff, end of round 1 pick (19) and a mid 30s pick (not yet acquired)

Brisbane gain: Dunn, 2017 Rd 1 pick (9-13) and 2016 Rd 2 (pick 29)

His source was directly from the mouths of both the new Brisbane football operations manager, and a former Fitzroy great, current Brisbane scout and father of a current afl captain (who happens to be his uncle).

Pretty obvious who he means, but I can't find any evidence of him working at Brisbane at a scout. Brissie fans???
The rumour gets debunked pretty quickly if his sources don't add up.

 

[pulpdriver]

From a poster on Demonland (Melbourne fan forum), who actually has a very good track record posted that the following has been agreed to in principle subject to Brisbane getting a pick in the 30's and Rocky's medical results.

Melbourne gain: Rockliff, end of round 1 pick (19) and a mid 30s pick (not yet acquired)

Brisbane gain: Dunn, 2017 Rd 1 pick (9-13) and 2016 Rd 2 (pick 29)

His source was directly from the mouths of both the new Brisbane football operations manager, and a former Fitzroy great, current Brisbane scout and father of a current afl captain (who happens to be his uncle).

Doubt it. We don't have the list space for Dunn and all talk surrounding us and him seems to have cooled since Frost agreed to come to us and I can't see Melbourne being that concerned about getting a mid 30s pick back from us. Plus if we do get one I'd assume we would want to keep it to match Academy bids. All seems pretty fanciful.

Personally, I would do Rockliff for your first and second round picks next year though. Would throw in 21 if that got it over the line.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Doubt it. We don't have the list space for Dunn and all talk surrounding us and him seems to have cooled since Frost agreed to come to us and I can't see Melbourne being that concerned about getting a mid 30s pick back from us. Plus if we do get one I'd assume we would want to keep it to match Academy bids. All seems pretty fanciful.

Personally, I would do Rockliff for your first and second round picks next year though. Would throw in 21 if that got it over the line.

You can't trade both 1st and 2nd rounds of future draft picks. But next years first and this years second for Rocky and 21 would be fine by me.

Leaves our third this year for Lewis and next years Second for Hibberd.

 

[Roylion]

From a poster on Demonland (Melbourne fan forum), who actually has a very good track record posted that the following has been agreed to in principle subject to Brisbane getting a pick in the 30's and Rocky's medical results.

Melbourne gain: Rockliff, end of round 1 pick (19) and a mid 30s pick (not yet acquired)

Brisbane gain: Dunn, 2017 Rd 1 pick (9-13) and 2016 Rd 2 (pick 29).

What does Brisbane get out of this? 2017 future round pick which with Rockliff could be anywhere between 11-18 in return for Pick 19? Lose one of their best 5 players in return for a 29 year old Dunn (30 in May 2017) who played 4 senior games in 2016. Swap a pick in the thirties for Pick 29?

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Yeah it seems unders so the only way id take that as a chance is if there are serious problems between rockliff and the mgmt.

But yes I would take it in a heartbeat.

Dees have enough kids. Too many in fact. If we can add Hibberd Lewis and Rockliff in a single off season then things have gone very well for us.

I give that proposal a 4% chance of actually happening