Free Agency Tom Rockliff [signed with Port Adelaide]

[Scotland]

Yep that's how it works. That's how it's always worked. It's what the clubs all signed off on.

What is your point? I know how the system works. Band 1 = pick after your first round pick, whether you are 1st or 18th.

The ambiguity is in determining what warrants band 1 vs band 2 etc.

 

[jackess]

What is your point? I know how the system works. Band 1 = pick after your first round pick, whether you are 1st or 18th.

The ambiguity is in determining what warrants band 1 vs band 2 etc.

Why mention the picks then and compare two players with deals to get band 1?

 

[Scotland]

Why mention the picks then and compare two players with deals to get band 1?

Jesus it's not rocket science.

Two players the same age offered the same contract will draw different compo based on the ladder position of their clubs.

Can the AFL say 'yeah pick 2 is too much so we'll call Rockliff band 2 but pick 30 wouldn't be enough so let's call Trengove band 1' or can't they?

 

[jackess]

Jesus it's not rocket science.

Two players the same age offered the same contract will draw different compo based on the ladder position of their clubs.

Can the AFL say 'yeah pick 2 is too much so we'll call Rockliff band 2 but pick 30 wouldn't be enough so let's call Trengove band 1' or can't they?

No they decide what band it is and then you get the corresponding pick. It's not ****ing Donald Trump running the AFL.

If they considered the pick they wouldn't have given Melbourne band 1 for Frawley.

What else do you want them to consider the strength of the draft? Pick 19 can be worth a lot more in a stronger draft.

 

[Scotland]

Frawley's pick was a PP in disguise, everyone knows that.

 

[TheSierBear]

I'd say clubs were keen but wisely waited until he was a FA. Also Rocky has cleaned up his act and had a great year football wise. To avoid having to trade though they will have to offer enough to trigger a band 1 comp pick

Well it's possible. NM are your best bet. No way Rockliff is worth that and I don't think a suitor will have to pay that price, -my opinion. A SA team won't have the cap space, and I can't think of any other side that will do that aside from a desperate NM. If Brisbane get band 2, I think Brisbane will take it. Rockliff's value hasn't gone from second/third rounder to top ten, and obviously Brisbane are still happy to part ways for band 2 you'd reckon.

It will also depend on the club. No club will trade a future first straight up for Rockliff. If Brisbane match they might ask for a future first for their future second, depending on the club, I reckon that'd be a great move. But if Brisbane match fair chance a club won't even do a trade and just leave it be, is Rockliff even worth the trade?

He's very good on his day but he's a B grade midfielder with plenty of issues.

 

[jackess]

Frawley's pick was a PP in disguise, everyone knows that.

So everybody new about it but no other clubs complained. ok

 

[BRAB]

Rockliff's value hasn't gone from second/third rounder

His value was never that.

 

[a mayes ing]

Well it's possible. NM are your best bet. No way Rockliff is worth that and I don't think a suitor will have to pay that price, -my opinion. A SA team won't have the cap space, and I can't think of any other side that will do that aside from a desperate NM. If Brisbane get band 2, I think Brisbane will take it. Rockliff's value hasn't gone from second/third rounder to top ten, and obviously Brisbane are still happy to part ways for band 2 you'd reckon.

It will also depend on the club. No club will trade a future first straight up for Rockliff. If Brisbane match they might ask for a future first for their future second, depending on the club, I reckon that'd be a great move. But if Brisbane match fair chance a club won't even do a trade and just leave it be, is Rockliff even worth the trade?

He's very good on his day but he's a B grade midfielder with plenty of issues.

Actualy, l don't think the club would do a band 2 for Rocky. Rocky is worth more to us than pick 19.
Secondly, I doubt a future 1st for our future 2nd would be worth it either. We are bound to be bottom 4 next season whereas if we traded to Hawthorn or West Coast etc, and they end up in the finals then it might only be pick 14 for pick 23 which isn't worth it to us either.

 

[TheSierBear]

Actualy, l don't think the club would do a band 2 for Rocky. Rocky is worth more to us than pick 19.
Secondly, I doubt a future 1st for our future 2nd would be worth it either. We are bound to be bottom 4 next season whereas if we traded to Hawthorn or West Coast etc, and they end up in the finals then it might only be pick 14 for pick 23 which isn't worth it to us either.

Well that's your opinion. I think Brisbane are on the up they should not spoon it next year. I think if you can get your hands on WC's or Hathorn's or even Richmond's or Geelong's future first, you might even upgrade another later pick in what would be a super draft than that would be a good move.
IMO all those clubs will slide next year, I'd love to get WC's future first, just my opinion.
But reality is this all depends on who Rockliff choses. Carlton did the same with Kreuzer, they came back to Kreuzer with tail between legs, no band 1 PP.

 

[Red Bull]

Article saying that Carlton has stepped up talks with Rockliff.

Anyone know the situation for Carlton to get him? Will they try and ring even if Gibbs stays? If not its hard for them as they'd have to wait to unload Gibbs. Which could take the whole 2 weeks we know how stubborn Carlton were and now they want 2 first rounders.

Free agency starts before the trade period so example if west coast wanted him also they'd have an advantage over Carlton. They could sign him when free agency starts where Carlton has to wait till Gibbs leaves.

Im sorry ???

 

[rainwizard39]

Im sorry ???

I meant will Carlton have to wait for Gibbs to be traded for them to sign Rockliff. If they do the free agency period starts before the trade period meaning another team could swoop on Rockliffs signature while Carlton are trying to trade Gibbs.

 

[Red Bull]

I meant will Carlton have to wait for Gibbs to be traded for them to sign Rockliff. If they do the free agency period starts before the trade period meaning another team could swoop on Rockliffs signature while Carlton are trying to trade Gibbs.

Gibbs is not a FA .
He is contracted for 2018 and 2019 .
Whether and when he leaves will be totally Carlton's call .
Gibbs has no bearing on Carlton landing Rockliff .

 

[Snake_Baker]

Well it's possible. NM are your best bet. No way Rockliff is worth that and I don't think a suitor will have to pay that price, -my opinion.

I'd happily have him on a reasonably priced contract if only to get Ziebell out of the middle and up forward.

Brissy will land a pick at the end of the 1st round as compo.

 

[rainwizard39]

Gibbs is not a FA .
He is contracted for 2018 and 2019 .
Whether and when he leaves will be totally Carlton's call .
Gibbs has no bearing on Carlton landing Rockliff .

I never said Gibbs was a free agent.
If Carlton can afford him with Gibbs they should keep Gibbs that'd be a good midfield and they could ask for a Patton or Cameron for pick 3 or pick 3 for darling and west coasts first.

 

[MacMace]

Well that's your opinion. I think Brisbane are on the up they should not spoon it next year. I think if you can get your hands on WC's or Hathorn's or even Richmond's or Geelong's future first, you might even upgrade another later pick in what would be a super draft than that would be a good move.
IMO all those clubs will slide next year, I'd love to get WC's future first, just my opinion.
But reality is this all depends on who Rockliff choses. Carlton did the same with Kreuzer, they came back to Kreuzer with tail between legs, no band 1 PP.

Why would a club offer a pick, especially a 2018 first round pick in what is supposed to be a bumper trade for a RFA?

I see three scenarios, Lions up their offer and Rocky stays, Lions match another clubs offer and Rocky stays or Lions don’t match another clubs offer and are happy with their compo pick and he leaves. Given their current position on the ladder and the estimated worth of Rocky, I would be stunned if they aren’t offered and don’t accept a pretty decent compo pick.

 

[bungalow_bill]

His value was never that.

Melbourne offered pick 2 in 2013

 

[Red Bull]

I never said Gibbs was a free agent.
If Carlton can afford him with Gibbs they should keep Gibbs that'd be a good midfield and they could ask for a Patton or Cameron for pick 3 or pick 3 for darling and west coasts first.

Salary cap space is not an issue for CFC .
Just a matter of whether CFC and Rockliff want each other .

 

[cotter101]

I really don't believe that figure, even disregarding the "Barrett"ness of the source.

Our offer is more than that.

Do you think Hawthorn are in the mix for Rockliff?

Honestly, I haven't heard anything regarding Rocky to Hawthorn. But I'd imagine you will have a look.

 

[pupstar]

Well it's possible. NM are your best bet. No way Rockliff is worth that and I don't think a suitor will have to pay that price, -my opinion. A SA team won't have the cap space, and I can't think of any other side that will do that aside from a desperate NM. If Brisbane get band 2, I think Brisbane will take it. Rockliff's value hasn't gone from second/third rounder to top ten, and obviously Brisbane are still happy to part ways for band 2 you'd reckon.

It will also depend on the club. No club will trade a future first straight up for Rockliff. If Brisbane match they might ask for a future first for their future second, depending on the club, I reckon that'd be a great move. But if Brisbane match fair chance a club won't even do a trade and just leave it be, is Rockliff even worth the trade?

He's very good on his day but he's a B grade midfielder with plenty of issues.

What issues are we talking about.

 

[Gosha]

I'd happily have him on a reasonably priced contract if only to get Ziebell out of the middle and up forward.

Brissy will land a pick at the end of the 1st round as compo.

Have you blokes considered Brent Stanton or Jack Trengove as shrewd alternatives? Could help free up JZ.

 

[BangyBangy]

I'd happily have him on a reasonably priced contract if only to get Ziebell out of the middle and up forward.

Brissy will land a pick at the end of the 1st round as compo.

Seriously? You haven't been able to land any player you've targeted even on stupidly overpriced contracts. Every team interested in Tom will offer him a contract that will get Brisbane and of 1st round. Which won't get the deal done. Blind Freddie can see it's unders.

 

[eastfreo75]

For me, the Blues get Rockcliff and trade out Gibbs.

Net is picks plus Rockcliff and lose Gibbs.

 

[marooned]

I think essendon get rocky.Front loaded contract 2x 900k then 2x 600k.essendon get an inside clearance player they need.Brisbane get band 1compo and say thanks for your efforts rocky.rocky gets his chance to play finals footy.

 

[MisterMarcus]

So everybody new about it but no other clubs complained. ok

To quote your former coach, "You can't beat City Hall".