Opinion Trade Aggressively

[raffrox]

Ross can argue all day long, but that dropped mark is on his head.

Throughout the season we have seen Sheridan struggled in defence, yet he kept persisting with him because he didn't want to replace his beloved D.Pearce/Suban/MDB in the midfield with Sheridan.

Furthermore that didn't kill the game, it was Mayne and Ballas who cost us. Ballas is an idiot, we all know umpires are biased against us, yet he decides to do shit in their attacking 50.

Furthermore you are just going to hate on certain aspects of the team right now no matter what others say.

Sheridan was youth and he just didn't stand up. I hope he comes through the other side of this one but it's always a risk playing youth in a prelim.

 

[Banker]

McCarthy is contracted so why would they trade him for peanuts?

They traded Tom Boyd with him saying he wanted out and they still got a good deal for him. If we offer our average first and a spud then GWS would just laugh.

Also, don't forget that the will be a heap of trades done this year and the 'exchange rate' for players will be worked out pretty quickly. i.e. If Treloar is worth this then that means Yarran is worth that and why did that team play that much for Jetta when Redden is worth that etc....

If we don't pay then we would get anybody IMO.

To me it's clear now that it was a tactical error to not put more pressure on west coast when it came to then recruiting Cripps, Wellingham and Yeo. Media reports never had us a chance for those guys and west coast basically got sweet deals because of it. Expect west coast to try and drive up the price of all of our targets this year though.

Boyd was the no 1 pick, whereas McCarthy is good but not superstar good yet. It remains to be seen if he can be our no1 forward, as at GWS he gets the 2nd best defender all the time.

The fact he wants a move back to WA means only WCE could make us end up paying way over the odds.

Agree our drafting department needs a good review, to let Yeo and McGovern walk freely into WCE is sackable offence.

 

[Banker]

Furthermore you are just going to hate on certain aspects of the team right now no matter what others say.

Sheridan was youth and he just didn't stand up. I hope he comes through the other side of this one but it's always a risk playing youth in a prelim.

Well look at the Eagles youth, the risk was so 'massive' that the end up 2nd on ladder and in a GF.

To single out Sheridan to justify not to play youth is ridiculous, the game was well and truly over before the bounce.

 

[freo4evr]

We NEED to throw EVERYTHING to secure the services of Bennel, Mcarty and Jetta.

YES JETTA, D.Pearce is absolute SHIT and Jetta is an upgrade even though he is piss weak.

Ballas, Mayne, D.Pearce, Mzungu will NOT win us a premiership.

What will the club do with Apeness ,Clarke,Alex Pearce,Tabs,Duffy,Moller,Crowley,Mora,Vanda.T Smith.If They do no play them we will have another Menagalo scenario

 

[salim malik]

lol.

Just like how Neale was made the sub in the 2013 GF, Ross hates playing youth its well documented over two clubs. Now thats a fact.

What part of Pearce was injured don't you understand. Pearce was either in the gym or jogging laps for the last two weeks. FACT!!!! The facts mean nothing to you if it doesn't fit your Ross doesn't play youth agenda .

 

[raffrox]

Well look at the Eagles youth, the risk was so 'massive' that the end up 2nd on ladder and in a GF.

To single out Sheridan to justify not to play youth is ridiculous, the game was well and truly over before the bounce.

I disagree strongly on that.

 

[Lach72]

Ross can argue all day long, but that dropped mark is on his head.

Throughout the season we have seen Sheridan struggled in defence, yet he kept persisting with him because he didn't want to replace his beloved D.Pearce/Suban/MDB in the midfield with Sheridan.

Furthermore that didn't kill the game, it was Mayne and Ballas who cost us. Ballas is an idiot, we all know umpires are biased against us, yet he decides to do shit in their attacking 50.

Horseshit

 

[Banker]

I disagree strongly on that.

You can disagree all day, but it won't change the fact breeding youth when you have experienced spuds, can lead to greater success.

Look what A.Pearce accomplished when Ross was forced to play him.

 

[salim malik]

Well look at the Eagles youth, the risk was so 'massive' that the end up 2nd on ladder and in a GF.

To single out Sheridan to justify not to play youth is ridiculous, the game was well and truly over before the bounce.

There you go again ,stating non facts to support your argument.West Coast had no first year players and one in Sheed who was a 2nd year player.
Simpson doesn't play youth based on the team that played last night which is as stupid as saying Lyon doesn't.

 

[Admiral Byng]

McCarthy is exactly what you have described imo.

Perhaps. I'm just not sold on mortgaging the club's future by trading all our good draft picks for one bloke, who isn't exactly proven yet.

For me Plan A is still Fyfe to the forward line, either FF or CHF, and the rest of the forward structure re-built around him. Barlow in the middle, and one of the young guns Weller, Langdon, Blakely etc to Barlow's "high half-forward" role (or whatever Ross cxalled it a few weeks ago). I think it would have an immediate impact, using a proven player, who is already right under our noses.

If we can get McCarthy or some other young tall forward too for a fair price, then swell, we'll find a role for them as a secnd tall playing in Fyfe's shadow.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced we a have the solution to our forward structure already signed and contracted and on our list. It should be easier to re-jig and fill the gap in the mid-field once Fyfe moves forward than to fill the gaping hole in our forward structure through drafting or trading.

 

[splendidham]

The problem is that trading McCarthy in ( for a retiring Pav) puts us in the same position we have been in for the last 10 years. 1 Key forward surrounded by spuds, meaning the key forward will be double teamed and all of here will be calling for his head.
Personally I would love to see Pav (if his body can take it) go 1 more year as our number 2 tall. Then Tabener and Mayne can earn their spots instead of getting them gifted because their is no one else.

Add Apness into the mix we may just come out of it with an OK forward line.

See what you are saying but one good player surrounded by spuds is better then none. And later on you suggest those spuds might come good.


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[raffrox]

You can disagree all day, but it won't change the fact breeding youth when you have experienced spuds, can lead to greater success.

Look what A.Pearce accomplished when Ross was forced to play him.

You said that the game was well and truly over before the bounce.

That's complete garbage and outs you as the kind of supporter you are.

 

[ritz]

The problem is that trading McCarthy in ( for a retiring Pav) puts us in the same position we have been in for the last 10 years. 1 Key forward surrounded by spuds, meaning the key forward will be double teamed and all of here will be calling for his head.
Personally I would love to see Pav (if his body can take it) go 1 more year as our number 2 tall. Then Tabener and Mayne can earn their spots instead of getting them gifted because their is no one else.

Add Apness into the mix we may just come out of it with an OK forward line.

And the problem with not getting McCarthy is even worse. We potentially would not have a single proper KPF!

I know what I'd prefer! Oh, and yes I hope Tabs and Apeness do come on in leaps and bounds but collectively they've played what? 50 games for 30 goals?

We can't just keep saying we'll get KPP's via free agents/ drafting. We've tried this for over 10 years!

Trade FFS!

(Insert Shia Le bouf "Do it!" gif here)


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[raffrox]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced we a have the solution to our forward structure already signed and contracted and on our list. It should be easier to re-jig and fill the gap in the mid-field once Fyfe moves forward than to fill the gaping hole in our forward structure through drafting or trading.

Not if we want to stay near the top of the ladder.

With the set up you are suggesting we need everything to go right every single time to win the big games.

I'd prefer if that wasnt the case.

 

[Banker]

You said that the game was well and truly over before the bounce.

That's complete garbage and outs you as the kind of supporter you are.

Have a look at the game plans and past results.

Sydney with the best KPF in the game couldn't win a premiership because defensive game plans can't beat the Hawks.

 

[salim malik]

You are all forgetting Irish . KPF future superstar

 

[rodney hoo]

Boyd was the no 1 pick, whereas McCarthy is good but not superstar good yet. It remains to be seen if he can be our no1 forward, as at GWS he gets the 2nd best defender all the time.

The fact he wants a move back to WA means only WCE could make us end up paying way over the odds.

Agree our drafting department needs a good review, to let Yeo and McGovern walk freely into WCE is sackable offence.

McCarthy kicked 35 goals this year, Boyd played vel mostly. He is now higher ranked than Boyd.

 

[Banker]

McCarthy kicked 35 goals this year, Boyd played vel mostly. He is now higher ranked than Boyd.

Boyd was valued on the assumption he will be a star 5 years down the track.

Sure McCarthy is ahead of Boyd at the present time, but it doesn't mean his career will be better.

 

[rodney hoo]

You are all forgetting Irish . KPF future superstar

If he improves as much by the end of next year as he has this year could be very good Irish. Big fast and tough with good athletic ability. Freo have to keep developing from with in you can't always go to the outside.

 

[rodney hoo]

Boyd was valued on the assumption he will be a star 5 years down the track.

Sure McCarthy is ahead of Boyd at the present time, but it doesn't mean his career will be better.

I agree with you but we are buying in the present market and McCarthy is under contract, won't be a bargain but should be chased if possible.

 

[raffrox]

Have a look at the game plans and past results.

Sydney with the best KPF in the game couldn't win a premiership because defensive game plans can't beat the Hawks.

We were down by only 9 with around 15 minutes left and all the momentum. We had a shot. No doubt.

To say it was going to be tough or that we weren't favourites I can understand but to say the game was over before it started is beyond incomprehensible from a Freo supporter.

 

[raffrox]

If he improves as much by the end of next year as he has this year could be very good Irish. Big fast and tough with good athletic ability. Freo have to keep developing from with in you can't always go to the outside.

I don't think that anyone is saying to always go outside but always staying I house is a bigger mistake. The club knows this.

 

[raffrox]

Boyd was valued on the assumption he will be a star 5 years down the track.

Sure McCarthy is ahead of Boyd at the present time, but it doesn't mean his career will be better.

And that's why we won't pay as much as the Bullies did but we will need to pay a decent cost, not chump change.

 

[Banker]

We were down by only 9 with around 15 minutes left and all the momentum. We had a shot. No doubt.

To say it was going to be tough or that we weren't favourites I can understand but to say the game was over before it started is beyond incomprehensible from a Freo supporter.

Doesn't that story sound similar? Yep 2013 GF. We had only one chance to beat the Hawks and that was to risk been more attacking like the last time we played them at Subi, instead Ross stuck to being risk averse and not changing things up.

It would be interesting to see how many times Freo have come from behind to beat a top 4 side, I would guess not many.

 

[rodney hoo]

I don't think that anyone is saying to always go outside but always staying I house is a bigger mistake. The club knows this.

Then we have to be smarter, because we brought in D Pearce imo has been very average when required in big games, Silvia, Plus some other cheapies Gumbelton. Better get less but get better.
Luenburger is the next one for ever injured and not that good but all the rage ahead of Clarke when Clarke was a gun just two years ago in our GF year.