List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - 2017/2018

[JJ14AU]

WOW, you really love the sound of your own voice don’t you, giving TD a run to 150k posts???

Its not my info, it’s information that was passed on to me from someone who would be in a position to know

I have no reason to think they would lie to me but I’m not a mind reader.

I didn’t share it at the time because I wasn’t in a position to post it ( I do have a day job )

To those many many many that PM me. Thanks

PS: Richmond sage 2 players, 1 girl, a photo, not the boyfriend who took it. One played in GF the other didn’t get a game! Massive fall out coming.

Cheers.



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Are you still happy to PM your info? Would like to hear what you have and also curious about this Richmond photo saga

 

[The Night]

My sauce said 12.00 pm monday. Fwiw

I was pretty drunk last night though hence talking to by bottle of hienz.

You're still drunk brother its

 

[unplugged]

I think I've said before but I'll say it again... Pick 6 for Witherden and Schache or no dealio

 

[Thefly38]

You're still drunk brother its

Correct its drinking and horse racing season

 

[10571z]

Any idea where schache will end up? Literally haven't heard of 1 side keen

 

[Thefly38]

Any idea where schache will end up? Literally haven't heard of 1 side keen

Collingwood / Carlton

 

[magpies42]

Any idea where schache will end up? Literally haven't heard of 1 side keen

The best way to make a deal is to be indifferent.

 

[Seedsfan]

"You draft for best talent, you trade to fill needs" - Chris Pelchin

Who cares what he says? We neither draft nor trade for KPP that's why we are shit and why we will be shit next year. Oh and Tambling over Buddy? Do you take the best available player or draft the tall that you need?

 

[Thefly38]

Who cares what he says? We neither draft nor trade for KPP that's why we are shit and why we will be shit next year. Oh and Tambling over Buddy? Do you take the best available player or draft the tall that you need?

Thats just an error in drafting , Buddy is the better player.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Who cares what he says? We neither draft nor trade for KPP that's why we are shit and why we will be shit next year. Oh and Tambling over Buddy? Do you take the best available player or draft the tall that you need?

So let me see if I've got the comparisons correct:
An opinion from a BF poster verses the real life experiences of a list manager/talent scout who has worked at several AFL clubs.
Yep, you're the one I would listen to

 

[Seedsfan]

Pretty much any mix of KPPs can work, there's no special minimum requirement. What is required is enough elite players. Giving up the chance to draft one because we must take a KPP would be an incredibly bad decision.

If we need a young KPP, there are ways other than wasting pick 6 and giving up the chance to draft an elite player.

And if we are looking at our starting team going forward, our KPP deficit is being exaggerated. We have three young, promising players in: Moore, Grundy and McClarty. That leaves two spots to fill. There is the 27 year old Cox who the club seems to like (I have doubts), which leaves one. In the medium term we do have a deficit in defence. There we have the ageing Reid and Dunn. Slightly smaller, but in the modern game potentially able to play a CHB role in a team defence: Goldsack, Howe, Scharenberg. This is not a critical situation, certainly not one that warrants us throwing away a pick 6 because we have to draft for height.

A KPP defender isn't that hard to find, they can be drafted quite late and you can bring in decent players cheaply from just about anywhere. KPFs are harder, but the value of the vast majority is dropping all the time and those with real impact are becoming ever more scarce. And the idea that you must have at least two is dead, you can easily get away with a tall and a strong medium (eg. Stringer, possibly Fogarty) or go even smaller still. Schache's available if we want him and may be gettable without pick 6. It's looking now that his value has dropped more for what he is as a player, a tall who is not competitive enough and does not put on enough pressure, than anything else. Talls are being asked to do more now, and many of them aren't up to it. Clubs are at the point where they'd rather consider a smaller forward line than picking up talls who simply can't do what is required. Defensive pressure and field position are much more important than contested marking in the modern game.

Okay Derick Hine go ruin our list by refusing to draft KPP. I know you don't rate talls but just sit there and have a think for a second. We have 2 aging KPP (Dunn Reid) who have a year or so left then 2 who are just starting out (Moore and McLarty) due to our lack of talls we are forced to play guys out of position like Goldy but again he is nearing the end.

I am so glad you are not the list manager as Dunn Reid and Goldy will be all gone in two years and you would have just replaced them with mids

 

[Seedsfan]

So let me see if I've got the comparisons correct:
An opinion from a BF poster verses the real life experiences of a list manager/talent scout who has worked at several AFL clubs.
Yep, you're the one I would listen to

Tanbling or Buddy? And yeah because there is only one true way so we must all mindless follow what Pelchen says. He was unable to trade for needs to get the Saints a flag. End of the day that is his opinion, I disagree and their are other recruits who do disagree

 

[sr36]

Who cares what he says? We neither draft nor trade for KPP that's why we are shit and why we will be shit next year. Oh and Tambling over Buddy? Do you take the best available player or draft the tall that you need?

So if you were set for talls, you'd take Tambling over Buddy?

 

[Seedsfan]

Thats just an error in drafting , Buddy is the better player.

But wasn't to that stage

 

[Seedsfan]

So if you were set for talls, you'd take Tambling over Buddy?

We are not set for talls. People see drafting talls as a risk so they would rather go for the safe option of the mid. I would take the tall

 

[Seedsfan]

The current game doesn't warrant teams to have a spine. Footy isn't played that way anymore, hasn't for a while.

Yeah alright let's trade out Moore we could get a mid that's all you need

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Tanbling or Buddy? And yeah because there is only one true way so we must all mindless follow what Pelchen says. He was unable to trade for needs to get the Saints a flag. End of the day that is his opinion, I disagree and their are other recruits who do disagree

So you do actually believe your opinion is better than the real life experiences of a well regarded AFL recruiter?
Really? amazing

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Who cares what he says? We neither draft nor trade for KPP that's why we are shit and why we will be shit next year. Oh and Tambling over Buddy? Do you take the best available player or draft the tall that you need?

If a club stuffs up a draft pick eg Tambling well they've stuffed up.

I think the point is, when drafting, if the belief is you can draft (using our present example)

Best in class v key position player (who might be not quite the full quality).

Say this Cameron Rayner guy is believed to be like Dusty Martin.

Say the best position player like Brander is thought to be like a Jack Riewoldt.

So does the club say an elite Martin much better than a B+ key forward.

That's the dilemma.

I respect whichever way you go.

Myself I'd want the elite player, as to me no Dusty Martin Richmond do not win the flag, he was that good this year.


Ofcourse if it's elite v elite eg Martin v Franklin I'd go the big boy every time.

 

[Thefly38]

Tanbling or Buddy? And yeah because there is only one true way so we must all mindless follow what Pelchen says. He was unable to trade for needs to get the Saints a flag. End of the day that is his opinion, I disagree and their are other recruits who do disagree

We should of taken Daniel McCalister instead of Dane Swan in 2001

 

[Seedsfan]

If a club stuffs up a draft pick eg Tambling well they've stuffed up.

I think the point is, when drafting, if the belief is you can draft (using our present example)

Best in class v key position player (who might be not quite the full quality).

Say this Cameron Rayner guy is believed to be like Dusty Martin.

Say the best position player like Brander is thought to be like a Jack Riewoldt.

So does the club say an elite Martin much better than a B+ key forward.

That's the dilemma.

I respect whichever way you go.

Myself I'd want the elite player, as to me no Dusty Martin Richmond do not win the flag, he was that good this year.


Ofcourse if it's elite v elite eg Martin v Franklin I'd go the big boy every time.

Take Jack out of Richmond and they don't make finals. With out him their forward line was no where. I get what you are saying but the tall provides structure also at this point we don't need another mid

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Take Jack out of Richmond and they don't make finals

A lot of truth there.
Ranch, Riewoldt and Martin and then Cotchin, all major reasons the tigers won it all.

 

[sr36]

We are not set for talls. People see drafting talls as a risk so they would rather go for the safe option of the mid. I would take the tall

You don't seem to understand that your Buddy versus Tambling is an argument for taking best available. Regardless of your needs, you take Buddy every day of the week.

Let's flip it around to a recent situation where a club chose on player type. McCartin or Petracca?

 

[Seedsfan]

A lot of truth there.
Ranch, Riewoldt and Martin and then Cotchin, all major reasons the tigers won it all.

As I said when I edited the last post. Talls provides a team with structure and we have no need for another mid at this time

 

[Seedsfan]

You don't seem to understand that your Buddy versus Tambling is an argument for taking best available. Regardless of your needs, you take Buddy every day of the week.

Let's flip it around to a recent situation where a club chose on player type. McCartin or Petracca?

Or Carlton took Kane Lucas the best available or Talia. There are plenty of examples either way as drafting is not an exact science but we need the tall so we have to take it

 

[Thefly38]

You don't seem to understand that your Buddy versus Tambling is an argument for taking best available. Regardless of your needs, you take Buddy every day of the week.

Let's flip it around to a recent situation where a club chose on player type. McCartin or Petracca?

Thats a solid point you must admit